Topic: Nxt and the rise to the top. - page 11. (Read 13417 times)

I'm sorry to disagree, Greece's financial condition is well known to all who desire to know it.  I'm confident the bit that is unknown and/or secret would very likely remain a secret from contractor like the subject consortium.

The major game changer is political winds that could change things radically, but even that is well known.  Nevertheless, just because you see the bus coming doesn't mean you will avoid the collision.

I maintain however, that the scope of the project is simply too massive an undertaking for serious consideration.  It will take literally months to develop a viable theoretical plan, and decades for meaningful integration.   

To create a viable solution, you need to really know the problem.  And the only way to do that is to be in constant communication with Greece's officials.  I mean if they're really serious and that Greece takes them seriously then they should meet.

Who are the people behind NXT's committee in solving Greece's crisis?

good dodging of my questions

it is ok though, i know that well from you.

lets get to the facts:

1. your post could be made by a 10 minutes google search - there is nothing of substance which would qualify that you have knowledge.

2. allright, please show and describe us what you picture as spaghetti code in jl777's github - as a bonus you could explain how you would code it differently and why.

Thanks for that info. The European Central Bank is a lot less worried right now that the Drachmae project isn't all about NXT.


I think you should be more ambitious than that. Based on the average NXT cheerleader post my understanding was that apart from solving the Greek economic crisis, you can cure cancer as well as fix the climate change issue using NXT.

As for the use case, you have not provided any viable use cases for that digital excrement NXT that used no one apart from the funders that dump it on the market.

Ohhhh boy... digging in altcoinUK's posts. What a clown you are.

You don't have to dig you clown, I talk about software development all over the places, here about ARM firmware programming - I am sure you are familiar with that too.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9608386

Shall we discuss after the the wanker NXT scammer Jamess jl777 Github C code check-ins, and the quality of that code?

It's amazing guys, that you teach yourself to compile some spaghetti code based on tutorials from the Net and after you believe in your on BS and you think you are a programmer.

First off, The Drachmae project isn't all about NXT, check the Wiki:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Talk:Main_Page

NXT could be an important component, but there is no way that it can supply everything needed. Thats why the project is open to anyone with good ideas or useful tech, like Factom, Ethereum, Blackcoin/Halo, JetCoin.....if you have something to contribute, bring it on.

How in the name of Hades can you bitch us up for presenting a real world usecase for altcoins, and then ask why no-ones using alts ?
Is engaging with the European financial, business and political worlds not 'meaningful' enough for you ?

Any road up....if you need to vent more, comment here:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102663713

Ah, altcoinUK is back after a month

1. Please point out where i do some cheerleading for NXT.

2. Every 10 year without computer science background can code a website, so stop being proud of it 

3. You dont have any coding/software development knowledge either, i can strongly remember that you once wrote so much technical bullshit that i though i would get brain cancer just from reading it. I will dig it out and repost it here for everyone to see.

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4. Did you check jl777's github?

It seems to me that the intent of the committee is to create a viable solution to present.  It doesn't seem that there is a hot or warm lead to work with, my guess is if they come up with something they will be going in cold.

Well, in the fantasy world of NXT cheerleaders (as your post indicates it) that doesn't even matter ... so you can discredit anyone based on talking about "background".  

Having a computer science background I wrote my first program probably well before the average NXT Java/HTML5 developer and fan-boy even born, but of course the NXT hypemaker cheerleader brigade first argument in a debate is that I don't have the background to understand what the self thought so called "programmers" like  the wanker James jl777 check in Github. It is always convenient in a debate to talk about backgrounds, without knowing the background: it can redirect the conversation from the important topics.

The probability that NXT provides Greece with any kind of solution about anything is lot less than Aphrodite will jerk off Pericles on the Acropolis front of the excited Leonidas, which event's probability is rather small knowing that the two aforementioned gentlemen are dead and the woman probably never ever existed.

I have debates with the NXT hardcore cheerleaders all over the place about NXT which used by absolutely nobody except the funders who dump the thing on the naive new investors. For that reason, the hype must go on  by coming up with all kind of nonsenses like this Greece bollocks - so the funders of the coin can keep continue dumping this entirely useless thing.

First, NXT perhaps should answer the generic problem of all altcoins: why no one is using altcoins at all for any meaningful purposes?

I doubt an average individual with computer science background would need more then a month to fully understand the main parts of nxt.

But well barabbas is a retired actor.
He has neither experience nor knowledge about computer science, infrastructure and software development.

It is like talking about QM or GRT with a kindergarten teacher. They would take years/decades too ( prolly even more )...

Hah....found the NXT thread on Liberland, after a bit of searching:
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/urgent-why-no-body-is-voting-fot-nxt-as-official-liberland-%27-currency/
Think I was having  a little break from  crypto at the time, I hardly even noticed it up until now.
Someone should maybe have a chat directly to the Liberland guys, whoever they may be. See how they are shaping up.
Or we could just push NEM up for the job......

Seriously, the Liberland proposal could maybe work, but no-one seems to be willing to step up and take lead on getting it sorted, which is probably the main reason it went nowhere with NXT. Hosting the poll on F*c*book didn't help either.

On the Greek rescue plan: this is an extremely ambitious project, to say the least.
I'm not exactly expecting the entire European financial world to drop to their knees and say "YAY, crypto, that's the answer!"
and then go down the pub while we sort out Greece......but just getting a coherent outline proposal using blockchain tech from vatious sources will be a very useful exercise, even if nothing else comes out of it.
Right now, it looks like a slightly mad plan, even from my point of view, but there are quite a few non-crypto organisations who are interested.....and anything that brings crypto to the attention of the mainstream in a positive way is worth giving a shot.

Next step is Conference number 2 on the subject, May 20th:
http://www.drachmae.money/expos/inv2/

Maybe someone will invite some Greeks to come along...
and Armis can bring PICISI along for some networking and discussion of MS currency integration on exchanges/brokers:
http://nxter.org/picisi-crowdfunding-project-will-use-nxt-monetary-system/

Are the NXT people in contact with the officials of Greece?  I think that should be the first step.

When Liberland indicated a willingness to consider crypto currency as a favored currency, NXT as a community snubbed it.

Yet, Greece who is not only in deep financial trouble, not just with it's own economy and fiat (euro) but also dragging down their European Union nation partners and backers, is a serious consideration for our attention?  As indicated in the conference, no single crypto currency platform could handle Greece, and even if you combine forces and segment tasks it would still be a massive undertaking.  But the huge question is why would you do it?  Greece has already indicated by the will of the people that they have no meaningful intention on being dragged down by debt, they only want forgiveness not any fancy scheme to keep them underfoot by other countries.

If NXT is going down in value the objective should be to do things to preserve value so that those who are not in it for academic, technical, or cool-factor reasons could limit their losses or perhaps make some money.

Although the Greece thing is a real conversation I don't feel it is a productive one for the NXT community.  When I look at the Greece situation I see it as a massively larger version of the very best country name coins.  The nationals won't understand it so the value in all of the involved CC will be bleed dry as they migrate to fiat.  

Another conversation taking place, albeit a tiny one is about PICISI, a crowdfunding site that will accept fiat and cryptocurrency for campaigns raising funds at the site.  PICISI (via me) recently created Pi on the NXT MS platform.  

PICISI was created to attract everyday people (non-CC users) to the site to see what they expect in a crowdfunding site plus far more opportunities.  At PICISI people will be able to collect donations in fiat AND CC, their campaigns could get different kinds of sponsorship funding, and they are also able to use their CC to spend on services provided by independent contractors at the site to help them develop or promote their campaign.

Literally BILLIONS of dollars pass through kickstarter and indiegogo each year if either one of them simply allowed CC to be collected it would be a major break through for the CC universe.  When PICISI enters the scene it will apply pressure on the competition to bring CC to their respective platforms or get left in tech wind.

Oh, btw, the funds that PICISI collects in fiat fees will be used to 'rebuy' Pi (PICISI issued currency) at the exchanges at prevailing rates.  If we have an official exchange sponsors we will buy Pi there exclusively.  That 'rebuy' plan preserves the long-term value of Pi.  

Granted that the PICISI project pales by comparison in every way to the Greece project, but the PICISI project will do something that the Greece project will never do even if it gets off the ground and is a success -- make money.   PICISI will make money for the campaigns (every campaign will get some funding), contractors, and investors.

Liberland could put NXT one the literal map, THAT should be a major project for NXT and or the consortium of CCs.

Already answered on the other thread...

To put anything Brian Kelly writes, or attempts, as a "solution" to anything is akin to put Kim Kardhasian as an example of discretion and humility, ok?

You DO know he is the guy who used his knowledge and experience to create Nautilus, right, one of the biggest if not the biggest failures on crypto's brief history, right?

Sheesh, B. Cast your eyes over here:
https://twitter.com/BKBrianKelly

This isn't just me making stuff up on a boring Saturday night, this project has serious backing from outside the crypto world.
It may never provide an ultimate solution to Greeces issues, but a lot of interesting stuff could happen.
Come on over to the seminar, if you get some spare time, and see exactly who's involved.
http://www.drachmae.money/expos/inv2/

This is just typical mumbo-jumbo, of course Dave. What "solution to Greece's problems" are you talking about? NOTHING emanating from crypto can ever be a "solution to Greece's problems", ok? It's a bankrupt economy and they can use as currency anything they choose but nothing will solve the problem of lack of money, ok. You declare bankruptcy, your creditors either let you go on loosening their grip you they will eventually get repaid or just stop payments altogether and you pay the consequences. Then you can use crypto as currency, leaves, stones of whatever else you choose but none of those currencies will "solve your problems", ok?

Except that it doesn't work on most exchanges, for example. Except that there are so many things going on, like those hundreds of "assets" (I'm trying to launch the hairs of my butt as significant asset in the AE, maybe it'll take off... since many more absurd things are being currently offered and many more have proven already to be scams outright), like the supernet, like the ever growing amount of James' "assets"/holdings. Te list goes on and on and on. Mind you, I LOVE the platform, I believe it is far and away the best, most complete platform in crypto, but there's no denial of the distribution problem no matter how you choose to look at it, and there's, obviously, the intimidation factor. There's NOTHING simple -like you pretend- about NXT. Least of it, the coin itself ("use it" in what? other than jerking yourself off buying so called "assets" it has no practical, actual use whatsoever... that I know of (maybe you can illustrate me). Now, why don't you ask people, ANY regular people -including those connected with the crypto world, what exactly is NXT, how much you can "stake" (by any other name too) in terms of % and what usage you can have for the coin? You will find the answer illuminating, I'm sure. And have you checked the forum/s lately. Imagine one individual wanting to learn about NXT now having to go through hundreds upon hundreds of pages here, it the nxt forum, at wikipedia and at one of the seemingly millions of "specialized info" pages. Just how long do you think a regular person will need to have even a remote grasp of what to do to invest in NXT and sell his record collection, for instance, on the platform. Or how to create and offer an "asset" in the exchange? I believe you can e accepted at NASA way easier than it is to even come to minimal terms with what NXT is already (and growing seemingly exponentially... while getting halved in price every few weeks.
You, of course, are an expert. I am sure you can do much better that download, install, use. Because download, install and use it, simply doesnt work, so start from scratch and tell regular Joe how to use the wallet once downloaded. Then explain to him how he has (or not) the alternative of having an online wallet (no bloated chain) online. And take it from there. Tell "Joe" what actually he can do with the NXT that he may purchase and tell him, if he holds ANY other wallet, which of those is simpler to use, any-other-wallet or NXT's. Then call my exaggerated, if in fact I am and that it is not intimidating a project which is less than 2 years old and has elicited more literature already than the conquest of space (fiction and science-fiction included).

Take a look here:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Main_Page
and then here:
http://www.drachmae.info/index.php/Talk:Main_Page

The Drachmae project is currently a blue-sky project/proposal being put together by a loose coalition of crypto projects, businesses and VCs, to create a framework for a blockchain/crypto-based solution to Greeces current economic problems. The next meeting/seminar on the project is here:
http://www.drachmae.money/expos/inv2/