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Just want to catch on the discussion we had this afternoon about features and target audience for nxt.

1. (Possible) Features:
- TF for instant transactions
- TF + punishment against 50% attacks (correct?)
- no bloated blockchain
- energy friendly crypto
- mobile friendly crypto
- easy to add new features
- many many TPS
- parallel blockchains
- blockchain shrinking
- decentralized exchange
- colored coins
- decentralized voting/opiniongrabber
- decentralized AM (data storage, link storage (eg torrents), encrypted messaging, ...)
- dividend payouts (all fees per block) for everyone instead of mining of the few with lots of power
- Turing capability
- smart contracts
- anonymous transactions
- SMS gateway

2. Today it was clear that the nxt community isn't sure yet, which features are the most important ones, which could be ignored in favor of other features (some exclude each other), and who the target audience is. Would it be easier if we knew plan 2 and 3 from BCNext? I don't know. But regardless of BCNext's plans, we should discuss this topic in the community: which is our target audience now, next months and in one year? Does this depend on the features we implement or does the features depend on the audience we want to tackle? The answer is clear (or is nxt just fundamental research?) That's why we should discuss this.

3. Some thoughts on some features and their implications:
- TF was and is our key ingredient in nxt. I have no clue at which state it is right now, who will develop all the core ingredients of TF (JL?) and how important it will be in one year
- bloated blockchain: although I was quite shocked about today's statements about the size of the blockchain, I see it more clearly now. First of all I think it is still bad because solar powered  RaspberryPis and AndroidTV sticks will not work for securing the nxt network in the future, IF we will get to a large TPS. The idea of thousands of raspberrypis working and securing nxt is dead. That's really sad because it was a really nice idea, especially marketing wise. Otherwise, I came to the conclusion that our chain should currently be measured with the same transaction amount as bitcoin has right now. And then, our block chain is cute and tiny.
- we are still very energy friendly, but the loss of raspberrypis in the future is a slap in the marketing face
- with lightweight clients, we are able to use nxt on every smartphone. BUT is this different and superior to BTC if we can’t actually forge with our phone? (Leasing forge power is not the same since we are not really part of the nxt network with the phone). When we implement block shrinking and parallel blockchains, we could shovel weight of the important transaction chain which means smartphones and raspberrypis could work longer for nxt (until how many TPS? I have one clue)
- SMS gateway (bounty by CfB) must be developed (eg Africa is using SMS as some sort of currency). This would be a really nice feature, especially for marketing
- do we need turing stuff? if we have the resources to develop this (i don’t want CfB to waste his energy if this is a nice, but not a must have feature or if this feature would make some other features impossible (like high TPS or no bloated blockchain)), let’s do it. it is nice marketing also.
- High and fast TPS is important for a special target audience (professionals like people relying on VISA). It was advertised big since the beginning. if we are able to keep this promise, then we must do this. or we also should look at the possibility of hight TPS if we implement other features which might interfere with hight TPS.
- anonymous transactions is a freaking HUGE opportunity. if we can tackle this, then, absolutely, let’s do it.
- decentralized exchange and colored coins are a must.
- CfB states many times that it is easy to implement new features in nxt. I am no dev and just have to believe him. It should always be easy so nxt can adapt to new ideas and technologies.

some features are implemented, some are discussed, and some are plain ideas. We should discuss where nxt is heading to get a clear view what should be implemented in the next months. We should discuss all ideas and get an overview WHO will develop which services or features. And we should make a clear distinction between service providers (which uses nxt) and nxt features (which build nxt). and we should always be aware of paradox decisions (like 1000000TPS and mini blockchain for example). Now I have no clue who is responsible for what. I have a fear that many things just don’t get done because of diffusion of responsibility (Google it). I hope i’m wrong.



Maybe I forgot many major things, but it is a starting point.

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All the written stuff above could be total bullshit, because I'm no programmer and have difficulties to keep up with all the stuff what's going on in the nxt ecosystem.

I sincerely hope that I get some comments from devs, idea makers, marketers, ... And I hope we get a discussion started about target audience, features and what is the meaning of nxt.

Please respond (think about diffusion of responsibility if you don’t want to click “reply”).

tl;dr invest in doge.

Thanks for the great summary!

From my "average investor" point of view, I believe high and fast TPS will be the one thing that most dramatically sets Nxt apart from the competition. Once it becomes clear to the average investor that Nxt can take on not just Bitcoin, but Visa as well, this one fact will be become the main force to drive widespread adoption. This is something that everyone can understand immediately, without the need for complex explanations and examples of how it might be used in future.

Since marketing to-date has already focused on this, it should remain a top priority. At the very least, it would be good to have a system in place by April that can handle 100+ TPS with a clear roadmap of how 1000+ TPS can be achieved in the near future.  
Also, high TPS is coming with eMunue, so this is not something we can ignore if we are to remain competitive in this area:
http://forum.emunie.com/index.php/topic/226-processing-at-visa-scale/

The other advanced 2nd gen features are really cool, and some are absolutely essential, but they're harder to understand, and without high TPS and scalability there's nothing to set Nxt above all the other really cool 2nd gen cryptos that are also working on these things.

I'm currently writing an article on why you should invest in Nxt. My hope is to eventually get it published on businessinsider or some other high traffic financial news website, and powerful features that the average investor can easily digest will be like dynamite for those looking for the Nxt big thing.
hero member
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I'm restarting my NRS on my server!!
Might be a good idea.....good luck, bro.

U upgraded yet?

Coffee time...possibly a cigarette.

I know the problem. Will fix it.

No worries, gonna go and shoot my faithful old VPS...it seems to have forked off into la-la land.
I'll hassle u in an hour or so.... Wink
legendary
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I don't think so. If it's wanted maybe. Smiley

what is account age and how do you measure it?

How many blocks ago there should be at least the first transaction. Wink

And how do you measure it? I mean, if I specify 1000 I hope it's not
(last block seen when user votes - 1000)

It would be better to have something like: disallow accounts created after block X.
hero member
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I'm restarting my NRS on my server!!
Might be a good idea.....good luck, bro.

U upgraded yet?

Coffee time...possibly a cigarette.

I know the problem. Will fix it.
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Spamming the blockchain would actually be good, as this would give the incentive to fix the blockchain problem and allow almost unlimited transaction rates.

what do you mean blockchain problem?  and setting fees based on byte-size of transactions would be the ultimate equalizer.  and would untie fees from a fiat relation.  Im surprised more people dont like this suggestion...  Am I really that far off on this one?
The blockchain is the problem because it grows without bounds. The solution is to eliminate the long-term blockchain. Then you wouldn't have to worry about transaction spam. Currently the whole nxt state would take about 1 MB, with maximum theoretical (basically impossible in practice) size about 32GB.
hero member
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I'm restarting my NRS on my server!!
Might be a good idea.....good luck, bro.

U upgraded yet?

Coffee time...possibly a cigarette.
hero member
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Crypti Community Manager
I'm restarting my NRS on my server!!

It stopped the first time I'm using NRS. Cheesy Strange.. Maybe the new release isn't that stable?.. Let's see.
hero member
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I don't think so. If it's wanted maybe. Smiley

what is account age and how do you measure it?

How many blocks ago there should be at least the first transaction. Wink

Passion:
 just checked my Tx in block explorer, only showing 6 confirmations, I've got 10 on my NRS.
Just have to be patient for a while.....

EDIT:
That's wierd....got 6 confirms according to block explorer on
http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=100

and 23 on the block explorer on:
http://www.mynxt.info/blockexplorer/details.php?action=tx&tx=15457216241628422147

Still, no worries, it'll work out in the end.
sr. member
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Just hit 10 confirmations...my vote should be live.....aaannnnnddddd.......it's not. Bugger

I will look into that issue after the next block. Smiley

Edit: http://nxtra.org:7874/nxt?requestType=getBalance&account=10667094504543355029

You didn't send any..

EDIT: er, yep, I did....10 NXT from my sig line account to 10667094504543355029, tx id is 15457216241628422147


How long before a vote goes live?

I believe I have created the most relevant question.

After 10 NXT got transfered about 1 minute for the cronjob. I'm testing the payment system right now. After I confirm it's working I will change it to 0 NXT for testing purposes.

Edit: 13minutes since the last block.. sigh!


Will you make a poll option who take into account the voter's address balance?
(exchange's account shouldn't count)

I don't think so. If it's wanted maybe. Smiley

Strange. Maybe my server and nxtras server is on a fork?

There is no new block coming since 30 minutes..

http://www.mynxt.info/blockexplorer/details.php?action=tx&tx=5501128539932214007

I have 19 confirms on the 10 I sent
legendary
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How's progress with the decentralised exchange backend and frontend GUI going?

I've just checked out counterparty, but to be honest, it's too damn slow, also there are just too many issues with piggybacking on the bitcoin block chain.  I think NXT has the right model.

Do you know why it's slow?  

Two very fundamental reasons

1. each operation on the exchange (e.g. putting in a buy or sell order) has a 10 minute delay (because it requires 1 Bitcoin block to be solved)
2. because all counterparty transactions are simply nested inside the bitcoin blockchain, they are not automatically validated like native bitcoin transactions.  This means that in order to validate a transaction the counterparty clients must rewind back from the counterparty genesis/PoB transactions and revalidate to the present point, which is way more inefficient than in bitcoin, where the Merkel tree is able to speed things up.
To be fair:

1) The second point is valid, but you will not notice the difference as long as you have whole blockchain downloaded. When I pointed out this first in XCP thread, I mean the main drawback is the time to download the blockchain in the beginning. You will notice the slow parsing time only when a XCP is transferred tens of thousands of times, and that will not happen in near future.

2) The first point is of course true, but should be acceptable to most average users. Normally, we trade only once several days. Even day traders only trade couple of times per day.


Another issue I've noticed while testing it out is...

3) dealing with the two different fees complex and annoying.  There are XCP fees and BTC fees...
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Just hit 10 confirmations...my vote should be live.....aaannnnnddddd.......it's not. Bugger

I will look into that issue after the next block. Smiley

Edit: http://nxtra.org:7874/nxt?requestType=getBalance&account=10667094504543355029

You didn't send any..

EDIT: er, yep, I did....10 NXT from my sig line account to 10667094504543355029, tx id is 15457216241628422147


How long before a vote goes live?

I believe I have created the most relevant question.

After 10 NXT got transfered about 1 minute for the cronjob. I'm testing the payment system right now. After I confirm it's working I will change it to 0 NXT for testing purposes.

Edit: 13minutes since the last block.. sigh!


Will you make a poll option who take into account the voter's address balance?
(exchange's account shouldn't count)

I don't think so. If it's wanted maybe. Smiley

Strange. Maybe my server and nxtras server is on a fork?

There is no new block coming since 30 minutes..
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 500
Crypti Community Manager
I don't think so. If it's wanted maybe. Smiley

what is account age and how do you measure it?

How many blocks ago there should be at least the first transaction. Wink
hero member
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Can you guys please test http://www.nxtvote.com/?

Check it out, search for bugs, for improvements and so on! Smiley


I know it's not possible to view finished votes right now. But this won't be a problem for now. Smiley

How can I find an address for sending money if I close that page?

You can't. Should I change that? Where do you think is the best place? Smiley

Otherwise you can simply go back and create a new vote.

Maybe here?



Also "You chose a wrong vote!" a bit odd. I didn't choose wrong, I chose just fine  Smiley It's just a poll creator didn't pay a fee )

Ah yea, I'm tired. Cheesy

You can also see the NXTID on the top if you click on your vote. Smiley

For example: http://www.nxtvote.com/view.php?vote=11312525994748634388

It's the 113...
hero member
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Just hit 10 confirmations...my vote should be live.....aaannnnnddddd.......it's not. Bugger

I will look into that issue after the next block. Smiley

Edit: http://nxtra.org:7874/nxt?requestType=getBalance&account=10667094504543355029

You didn't send any..

EDIT: er, yep, I did....10 NXT from my sig line account to 10667094504543355029, tx id is 15457216241628422147


How long before a vote goes live?

I believe I have created the most relevant question.

After 10 NXT got transfered about 1 minute for the cronjob. I'm testing the payment system right now. After I confirm it's working I will change it to 0 NXT for testing purposes.

Edit: 13minutes since the last block.. sigh!


Will you make a poll option who take into account the voter's address balance?
(exchange's account shouldn't count)

I don't think so. If it's wanted maybe. Smiley
legendary
Activity: 866
Merit: 1002
I don't think so. If it's wanted maybe. Smiley

what is account age and how do you measure it?
newbie
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Hi CFB,

I think I've got it now. The final result;


And an extra image for the interested people.
Made it a little sketchy, because we are in development :p


Still not a fan of using a hexagon in Nxt logos. It just looks ugly/slow/cumbersome. The second image is great!
legendary
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Hi CFB,

I think I've got it now. The final result;

And an extra image for the interested people.
Made it a little sketchy, because we are in development :p


Superb look.
hero member
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Hi CFB,

I think I've got it now. The final result;



And an extra image for the interested people.
Made it a little sketchy, because we are in development :p

hero member
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Just put up a voting topic:

Is EvilDave the most evil member of the NXT community?

Did you see mine?  ROFLMAO!   Grin

I am not going to activate it... but I set two options for votes and they were both Yes!    Wink
Can I have some if it works?

Just hit 10 confirmations...my vote should be live.....aaannnnnddddd.......it's not. Bugger

I will look into that issue after the next block. Smiley

Edit: http://nxtra.org:7874/nxt?requestType=getBalance&account=10667094504543355029

You didn't send any..


How long before a vote goes live?

I believe I have created the most relevant question.

After 10 NXT got transfered about 1 minute for the cronjob. I'm testing the payment system right now. After I confirm it's working I will change it to 0 NXT for testing purposes.

Edit: 13minutes since the last block.. sigh!


Will you make a poll option who take into account the voter's address balance?
(exchange's account shouldn't count)

I don't think so. If it's wanted maybe. Smiley
legendary
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Merit: 1134
I am travelling today, so havent caught up but wanted to announce the official treasurers

Marketing <- neer.g
Tech <- pouncer, havent heard back from bybitcoin, so this might change, but until further notice it is pouncer
Infrastructure <- klee

As soon as they create accounts for each committee, they can each be funded with one third of the unclaimed NXT

Now creation of the three committees becomes top of list

James

Ps pm me for anything urgent, i will try to keep up with pm
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