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legendary
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James, how about we explore non-legal recourses first? I've suggested proof of prior art and reputation damage, any other ideas? Maybe steganography for art/video assets?
When FC started bragging that he could do anything he wanted because of the license, I got the idea of making simple change to license. FC violates the spirit of, well, everything. I just want to be able to enforce the spirit in which NXT was created.

I am not saying that we sue anybody. Only that we have the option of sueing. It is a deterrent to get rid of pesky pests.

James
hero member
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Crypti Community Manager
James, how about we explore non-legal recourses first? I've suggested proof of prior art and reputation damage, any other ideas? Maybe steganography for art/video assets?
Maybe we just follow the cryptocurrency style. Open source. Free to use. For everyone!
member
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James, how about we explore non-legal recourses first? I've suggested proof of prior art and reputation damage, any other ideas? Maybe steganography for art/video assets?
legendary
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one of my lawyer friends may or may not be able to help
http://bit.ly/1iemXbi

You can probably get a few minutes of free consultation from him on a call back
If he can help and you need extended time to talk, I can pay him in person if you forward nxt.. in which case pm
I just want paragraph developers can cut and paste in their code before release. If you can make that happen, you get bounty

I know it can't be valid in all jurisdictions. It is a deterrent. If it is valid in any jurisdiction, it will make the potential thieves to think twice before cutting and pasting.

I want it to be in the spirit of cryptoanarchy. I don;t think preventing outright theft goes against that credo, does it?

James
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I would like to get some feedback about the password generator that I just implemented in NXT Solaris.

Secrets consists of 64 characters from the following set of characters: ['a'..'z','A'..'Z','0'..'9',' ','''','!','"','#','$','%','&','(',')','*','+',',','-','.','/',':',';','<','=','>','?','@','[','\',']','^','_','`','{','|','}','~']. 97 different characters.

Entropy should be: 97^64 = 1,423609878848517298732088475247e+127 => 422 bit (Is this calculation correct?)

To create the secret, I use the RAND_bytes function from openSSL. The seeding is done automatically in the openSSL library through OS-based seed initialization.

I was thinking about doing the seeding myself by asking the user to move the cursor or hit on the keyboard, but from what I read about the openSSl implementation, I fear that I might get worse results than with letting openSSL do the seeding.


Why not implement Electrum's word based seed? If all clients have the same implementation, the seed could be used on all clients.

The advantage to Electrum implementation is that it's easy to type and memorize, and 12  words give you 128-bit entropy.
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Why dont you just start with delegating 2 people per conference instead of 5?



this is smart.  Since we have so many people lined up for Dallas, I volunteer to wait later this year and go to Las Vegas.
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Hi gremlinsimf, welcome to Nxt Smiley I see you've already got your first coins. The best place to learn more about its workings is through our wiki. The FAQ might be helpful.
legendary
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I am not a lawyer. Need a lawyer to figure out how to make it so we can prevent klones that blatantly ripoff NXT community's hard work.
For graphics, text we write, etc., it should be easy to put copyright and that automatically limits theft.

Something wrong with all these discussions about licences. This is a world of cryptoanarchy.

yes, and then when anonymous user BCNext2 violates our license, what exactly are we going to do about it?  Who 'owns' the source code you are trying to copyright??? because that is the only entity able to bring a tort forwards, and that is centralization.

  doesnt make much sense.
My interpretation is that any NXT holder is damaged by anybody that steals NXT property. So theoretically, anybody owning NXT at the time of infringement would have standing to sue. Is that wrong?

Use code as reference, fine. Make new coin using ideas in code, fine. Copy paste rename collect money, not OK. Steal graphics and documents, not OK.

We might have no recourse in some cases, but if adding a paragraph gives us the chance of having recourse, what is the harm? Does this violate some unwritten rule I don't know about? If it really is cryptoanarchy, then I should be free to do whatever I want. Yes?

I want to do this.

James
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one of my lawyer friends may or may not be able to help
http://bit.ly/1iemXbi

You can probably get a few minutes of free consultation from him on a call back after leaving info with his assistant.
If he can help and you need extended time to talk, I can pay him in person if you forward nxt.. in which case pm..
there's a chance he works only locally though... but he's been helpful and very informative in a number of cases I had to deal with tho so figured it wouldn't hurt to throw it out there.
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Crypti Community Manager
Come-from-Beyond:

There are so many encrypted AM on the blockchain ( http://nxtarea.com/amexplorer.php ).

Is this the work of your pow coin, based on the Nxt system?
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legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
I am not a lawyer. Need a lawyer to figure out how to make it so we can prevent klones that blatantly ripoff NXT community's hard work.
For graphics, text we write, etc., it should be easy to put copyright and that automatically limits theft.

Something wrong with all these discussions about licences. This is a world of cryptoanarchy.
So you think is OK for FC to copy paste and then rip people off?
I want to prevent that. it is bad for NXT to be associated with ripoff artists

I won't talk about pictures and videos, I don't know how to protected them. But Nxt code is protected against frictionlesscoins. Right now if FC launched his coin based on current 0.5.11 binary, I would be able to kill this coin within 24 hours using a small java program and my notebook. This is how protection works in cryptoworld.

Makes sense. Then we just need to put copyright notices on all artwork, text, etc. That automatically provides legal protection from theft. I just want there to be a non-technical deterrent from thieves. As NXT gets bigger and bigger, it can't help but overlap the real world more and more.

Knowing identity of carlos allows credible legal threat to stop his nonsense. He doesn't care about actually running a coin, so your protection doesn't work. People will still get scammed and then might blame NXT.

James
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I don't really come from outer space.
Funding request

We have paid for 1 minute sponsor spot at the Let's talk Bitcoin for 3 months. (http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=2976219914929693803)

It cost 290k NXT for 3 months

- anonymous donator paid 50.000 Nxt
- neer.g would be willing to pay 1/3
- we are still looking for: 150.000 Nxt (they were spent from neer.g's reserv from NxtMarketing acc for now):

...

One stakeholder is willing to pay 1/3 of the NXT. Would anyone join him?

Could we spare some unclaimed coins for this advertisement?


NxtMarketing account:

2037401990853753795

(Info about acc)
...

1000 NXT sent to 2037401990853753795 to help payment.
full member
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NXT is the future
I am not a lawyer. Need a lawyer to figure out how to make it so we can prevent klones that blatantly ripoff NXT community's hard work.
For graphics, text we write, etc., it should be easy to put copyright and that automatically limits theft.

Something wrong with all these discussions about licences. This is a world of cryptoanarchy.
So you think is OK for FC to copy paste and then rip people off?
I want to prevent that. it is bad for NXT to be associated with ripoff artists

I won't talk about pictures and videos, I don't know how to protected them. But Nxt code is protected against frictionlesscoins. Right now if FC launched his coin based on current 0.5.11 binary, I would be able to kill this coin within 24 hours using a small java program and my notebook. This is how protection works in cryptoworld.

I like that kind of protection Grin
full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
I am not a lawyer. Need a lawyer to figure out how to make it so we can prevent klones that blatantly ripoff NXT community's hard work.
For graphics, text we write, etc., it should be easy to put copyright and that automatically limits theft.

Something wrong with all these discussions about licences. This is a world of cryptoanarchy.

yes, and then when anonymous user BCNext2 violates our license, what exactly are we going to do about it?  Who 'owns' the source code you are trying to copyright??? because that is the only entity able to bring a tort forwards, and that is centralization.

  doesnt make much sense.
full member
Activity: 126
Merit: 100
JustabitofTime - Co-Founder of CoinTropolis
Conference fund for year 2014:

Looking for 210.000 Nxt + 20.000 Nxt for each booth

More Nxt = more materials for booths

NxtMarketing acc:
2037401990853753795

All payments and donations would be transparent:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=15

Miami:
   - Spent $ 800 and ticket for Nifty, supported by Nifty + Justa (maybe we should him pay at least 10.000 nxt)

Berlin
tickets:
5x 100 Euro
McJavar - funded 15,304 NXT
- l8orre - local (= ticket only)
- admiral.fu ("My main interest to be there is BTC"), 1) designing/printing 10 T-shirts for me and other nexters
- Bitventurer - ??
- Salsacz (?) - from South Bohemia
- narknark (?) - from Hamburg

= 5x (3000 Nxt) + 2-4x travel+hotel (1-4000 Nxt) = 15.000 + 8-16.000 = 25-35.000 Nxt

Texas:
Tickets:
3x $275 (maybe a discount for speaker) =  $800 = 15.000 NXT
 rickyjames (SPEAKER?) - $614.92 for hotel etc = 12.000 Nxt
- Asian Prepper - hotel or locals?
- Leon Fu - hotel or locals?

Current cost: 27.000 NXT

New York (April 7/8)
- jefdiesel
Networking Pass = $10

Total cost 5.000 nxt

Toronto (April 11/13)
- Joefox
Total cost - 1-5.000 nxt

Amsterdam (May)
- cryptocoinNL
- Damelon
- Cryptomenn
- Edward Snowden (?)
- EvilDave
- titan20
- Bitventurer
- salsacz (??)
Total cost: 20-40.000 nxt

Washington (June 20/22)
tickets: till June 10th $300
Total cost: 0 nxt

Hong Kong (June 24/25)
- Allwelder
Total cost: 10.000 NXT

Melbourne (July 10/11)
Total cost: 10.000 NXT

London (September 10)
Total cost: 10-20.000 Nxt

Shanghai (September)
Total cost: 10.000 NXT

Las Vegas (October 6/7)
Total cost: 10-20.000 NXT

***

Brochures:
5.000 Nxt+

Business Cards:
5.000 Nxt+

T-shirts:
5.000-10.000 nxt

Other items, graphics:
20.0000 Nxt

Conference fund for 2014:
= 210.000 Nxt, 250.000 would be better

If we have a booth:
+ 20.000 for each booth

NxtMarketing acc:
2037401990853753795

***
Why are conferences important??

how many people from Nxt should attend conferences?
I would say as many as we could could, but 4-5 would be a good number. Ethereum had 6-7 guys walking around together which made a statement and they all had matching t-shirts on. I think if we could have a good group there, we could gain more exposure and share more hands.

should we try to attend also smaller conferences or focus on bigger ones?
We should be attending every conference, even if it is just being there to walk around and say hi to everyone and shake hands. A continued presence will be vital to keeping our name in the minds of vendors as well as see what they need from us to make it work.

how looks a schedule for the conference for the Nxter?
A Nxter should go to the conference both or all days to walk around and network.


Just a quick note, part of that money also went to eB101's ticket.

"JustaBit (maybe we should him pay at least 10.000 nxt)"

I rather see that go to Nifty. He busted complete azz all weekend... instead of hitting the Miami nightlife on Saturday, we were back in the hotel working on updates, sending folllow-ups, answers question with people we met earlier in the day etc...   Along those lines  **** ANY **** conference you can fund getting Nifty there, I highly recommend it.  I showed him the ropes, I brought him into every meeting I had... he's ready to kill it moving forward.
legendary
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Newbie
I am not a lawyer. Need a lawyer to figure out how to make it so we can prevent klones that blatantly ripoff NXT community's hard work.
For graphics, text we write, etc., it should be easy to put copyright and that automatically limits theft.

Something wrong with all these discussions about licences. This is a world of cryptoanarchy.
So you think is OK for FC to copy paste and then rip people off?
I want to prevent that. it is bad for NXT to be associated with ripoff artists

I won't talk about pictures and videos, I don't know how to protected them. But Nxt code is protected against frictionlesscoins. Right now if FC launched his coin based on current 0.5.11 binary, I would be able to kill this coin within 24 hours using a small java program and my notebook. This is how protection works in cryptoworld.
hero member
Activity: 490
Merit: 504
Funding request

We have paid for 1 minute sponsor spot at the Let's talk Bitcoin for 3 months. (http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=2976219914929693803)

It cost 290k NXT for 3 months

- anonymous donator paid 50.000 Nxt
- neer.g would be willing to pay 1/3
- we are still looking for: 150.000 Nxt (they were spent from neer.g's reserv from NxtMarketing acc for now):

first violet table:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgAGADgnQcrtdHRrV3V3Z1lzOXVEMWtqdElUaEtqV1E#gid=15

First spot will be on air this Friday.

You can see discussion here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4765394

Could we spare some unclaimed coins for this advertisement?

NxtMarketing account:

2037401990853753795

(Info about acc)

More info:

Joefox already created first samples:
General Nxt intro: https://soundcloud.com/whatsupnxt/nxtminute-0001
Nxt minute: https://soundcloud.com/whatsupnxt/nxtminute_0002

Important notice regarding Let's Talk Bitcoin 1-minute spots!

Salsacz and I have been in touch about recording 1-minute spots for the Let's Talk Bitcoin network and we'd love to hear from Nxt champions all over the world.

We're asking you to record SHORT (10-15 second) answers to this question:

What is Nxt?

Here's how to do it:

  • Go to http://vocaroo.com/
  • Use your PC's microphone to record a message including your name (real name or forum nickname), location, and your answer to "What is Nxt"
  • When you're happy with your recording, hit the "email" button and send your recording to [email protected]

FOR EXAMPLE:  "This is Come-from-Beyonce, from Belarus.  Nxt is so energy efficient that I can forge coins on a $35 Raspberry Pi computer powered by a solar panel!"

I'll be collecting these recordings and compiling them into a series of 1-minute spots to promote Nxt.  Keep your answers short by focusing each one on a Nxt feature that that is important to YOU.

They are expecting a completed ad in a couple of days, so please make a submission before Wednesday, January 29.  Record SEVERAL short pieces, if you like -- just keep each one brief.  I'll wrap it into a nice package, and do us all proud.

Hi everyone.

How about these for a couple of proofs of concept?  Two one-minute spots I recorded this evening:

General Nxt intro: https://soundcloud.com/whatsupnxt/nxtminute-0001
Nxt minute: https://soundcloud.com/whatsupnxt/nxtminute_0002

I welcome feedback.

Good stuff. Week two is great. Week one has good content, but it sounds like a corporate advertisement. I think it needs to communicate the exciting community-driven nature of it somehow. It should make people feel like they want to get in on what's happening. I think it would benefit from a slightly more conversational tone too. Can you post the text, or send it to me?
Good. I'm in agreement with bithic's comments. The overall tone needs to be more conversational, but doing that in a 1 minute spot is a bit tough as it needs to be concise. Week one's ad should really compel a listener to pull up their browser and go to nxtcrypto to see what it's all about. Assuming they've never heard of it before, the common reaction is "oh another coin...". It has to bust through that wall, deliver a few critical points and get listeners excited. I think delivering Nxt as a platform in the introduction is most important.

For an intro something like "Nxt isn't just another alt coin. It's a community driven platform built on original code that's delivering features the crypto currency world want's and needs to move forward into the next generation." Then yada, yada with a few main points like "Nxt solves the 51% and even 90% attack of bitcoin with it's transparent forging feature". "This same feature allows the network to remain secure while performing visa scale transaction times." Cover the main failings of bitcoin and how Nxt solves them. Finish with the info source and hopefully that drives them to nxtcrypto.org to do some research.

It doesn't have to be exactly that, obviously, but I think you get the jist.  Just my opinion. Hopefully it contributes.  

We need to make sure people understand that NXT is currently evolving very rapidly. The fact that it can even evolve will probably be news to most people. We don't want people to get disappointed that not all of the promised features are there yet. I think we should talk about the incredible TPS, but in a future tense.

Join NXT as we enhance it to the point where it can handle thousands of transactions per second.

That is something that nothing else out there, first or second gen, can come close to. We need to solidify this in people's minds before April, when the attack of the klones begins.
James
With a minute spot, I would suggest getting a couple of different people to read different spots.  You could have somebody doing mythbusting spots but I think it would be better to instead focus on the really cool features built into next and helping people imagine the reasons why they would actually want to use it.  People are very creative once you point them in the right direction, but the metacoin layer thing is a tough sell at first.     If you focus on the negative stuff people think about NXT, you come off as defensive but if you just talk about why your project is neat and why you're excited about it, that will attract more attention because people think its a good thing not a bad thing.

The perspective YOU bring, going into talk to people about NXT will be reflected in how they react.  If you think they'll hate it, they're probably going to hate it because you'll couch your words in such a way to make them prepare to hate it.  

You guys don't need to be defensive, you have a major advantage - a product that's out, and that seems to work with a development team that doens't have the legal liability of your competitors or some of the jurisdictional risk.   Your disadvantage is NXT appears to be a bit headless, with a few self-appointed organizers but no real structure besides stakeholders acting in what they feel is their own best interest.   It might be interesting talking about that, how NXT is a *real* decentralized org in that there is no formal company at all doing the development or paying for anything.

Quotable?:


It's really interesting watching this community - you guys are the only "headless" metalayer, lacking a founder or team and yet delivering with real working software.  

Keep up the good work Smiley
If you're asking for my permission, feel free - everything I do is creative commons, attribution + noncommercial

For the minute spots maybe we're overthinking this, maybe it should really just be the NXT Minute on LTB, and twice a week listeners of LTB get updated to the most important thing "This is the NXT Minute, this week saw the release of the new client that does blah blah blah" you have enough room for about 65-72 words in a minute of human speech, you'll want to pick out some music (I can help with that) and leave a little space on either side to allow for the fade in and out.

I think the NXT minute with occasional experiential spots shared by members of the NXT community would go over really well.  Then you could have something that would always be different, always be useful and informative, and whenever a really good community submission comes up you just run that instead of the update.  You get the best of both worlds, informational, timely and cheap while community spots provide the emotional and real world context.   It would probably be good to have people write these and then have them voiced by members of the community who are a) good at that, and b) have good mics, it makes a big difference.

member
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I am not a lawyer. Need a lawyer to figure out how to make it so we can prevent klones that blatantly ripoff NXT community's hard work.
For graphics, text we write, etc., it should be easy to put copyright and that automatically limits theft.

Something wrong with all these discussions about licences. This is a world of cryptoanarchy.

How about just archiving all work done (code, art, anything) with an independently verifiable timestamp? Then if anyone copies (without innovating on top of it), we don't sue. We just point out our original earlier versions, lower the plagiarist's reputation and maybe win over converts?
legendary
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Why dont you just start with delegating 2 people per conference instead of 5?


without promo-girls?
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