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ChuckOne

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Quote from: titan20 on January 26, 2014, 04:00:19 PM

About the voting system:

I have an idea. What if the user gets the choice if he is in or out. I don't care if the logo becomes black or white. But if there are important code changes proposed. The nxt user should decide if he accepts the code change or not.

So the user decides if he wants to be part of the new code, the old code, or maybe an alternative proposal. The community will be split with users on different branches and they will continue separately. The fittest/best branches will survive. So people will 'vote' for the proposal with in the back of their minds 'what is best for the network'.

Don't know if this has actually to do with the voting system, but what do you think?

This would be a fragmentation hell. How do you transfer coins from one branch to another in case your one dies?

starik69

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Once you find valid reason major stakeholders
are delaying those blocks let us know.

It is already known because its in the code Cool

Cool

gimre

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Quote from: wastedbit on January 26, 2014, 02:08:17 PM

Quote from: xyzzyx on January 25, 2014, 03:13:42 PM

Quote from: wastedbit on January 25, 2014, 03:02:28 PM

I'm wondering if a webpage can get a listing of your url history?

I don't know Javascript, but: http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/obj_history.asp

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The history object contains the URLs visited by the user (within a browser window).

The history object is part of the window object and is accessed through the window.history property.

Note: There is no public standard that applies to the history object, but all major browsers support it.

I researched this last night for a few hours. There are techniques to see if a browser has been to a site (like http:\\localhost); but, by design, a webpage (via javascript or DOM) does not allow review of full URL history. Seems to use an internal browser function to check if a site has been visited - that's it - no general browsing of a client history. You can throw the browser back to previous pages and then get the URL in DOM, but that would double buy an alias - which has never occurred. Based on this, it appears URL history, by browser design, cannot be accessed from a webpage.

I'll check if a webpage can read the clipboard. That's about the only thing coming to mind.

BTW. If anyone was clever enough to do this, they would make millions in advertising. No need to waste time with NXT atm.

Not sure if anyone responded to that, haven't caught up yet.

w3schools is a poor source, Browser Security Handbook, it's all there and would save you minute or two...

Damelon

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If you think it is impossible to create "hold that block for a minute" button than you are not coder and also don't know much
about cryptocoin history, like PPS pools going broke because evil miner submits shares but refuses to submit block solutions.

NXT code is open source. Unless everyone use the code where one is punished big time for delaying block generation that
same one can do anything he wishes with delays, especially if others like him join "the guild" and cooperate in some way.

Please go read Transparent mining, or What makes Nxt a 2nd generation currency
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/transparent-mining-or-what-makes-nxt-a-2nd-generation-currency-364218

No, you go check block explorer and blocks that were delayed 10+ minutes. Once you find valid reason major stakeholders
are delaying those blocks let us know.

Fallacy of the single cause

Just because you are insisting it must be so, you cannot state it without backing it up.

Just saying: a large account did it, it must be rigged by them is not enough.

It ís slightly paranoid, though

marek3ball

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Quote from: TwinWinNerD on January 26, 2014, 05:01:37 PM

Quote from: marek3ball on January 26, 2014, 04:59:35 PM

NXT - 3D graphics: Update #02

I'm not sure about the date on the coin. It is right 2013 or when was official release?

png transparency bug fixed
Nxt coin shadow v02

All 3d renderings will be here:
forums.nxtcrypto.org
nextcoin.org

After all this effort to not let NXT be viewed as "coins" you make a coin rendering. hmm

I could try to invent some graphics for other parts of Nxt too. I know it is not just a coin but I thought it is the biggest part of it, was I wrong?

I believe that coder-masters will show other great features of Nxt.

bidji29

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Quote from: joefox on January 26, 2014, 05:49:09 PM

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If you think it is impossible to create "hold that block for a minute" button than you are not coder and also don't know much
about cryptocoin history, like PPS pools going broke because evil miner submits shares but refuses to submit block solutions.

NXT code is open source. Unless everyone use the code where one is punished big time for delaying block generation that
same one can do anything he wishes with delays, especially if others like him join "the guild" and cooperate in some way.

I think you need to present some evidence, instead of insisting that everyone else must prove a negative. This is a serious accusation you're making, and you have to back it up. Otherwise you'll be ignored as a troll.

I don't have to prove you lazzy asses anyhing, there is block explorer so once major delay happens just copy and paste the
address of block generator and check it on block explorer. You will see that guy is having 1M+ NXT. Some of the biggest of
delays were done by someone with 50M+ NXT which is really hillarious part.

Blockchain is publicly visible database, all previous evil deeds are listed there so why not do some analysis for yourself?

Issue remains even after block 51000 so I don't see what good will you accomplish by ignoring me, one who is pointing the
finger at mentioned issue.

Majority of block are mined by big holders anyways, so it's just logic that the long block are too.

It's possible to hold a block but the incentive to do it is really low because :
-Mining reward is very low, especially if you're a major stackholder.
- You don't know how much you can hold the block before someone esle mine it. So it's a game where you lose as much as you gain.

And it can't happen when Transparent Forging is implemented fully anyways

ChuckOne

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Quote from: Passion_ltc on January 26, 2014, 03:01:41 PM

Quote from: Komputor on January 26, 2014, 02:31:55 PM

Quote from: Passion_ltc on January 26, 2014, 02:25:48 PM

The more NXT someone has, the more right he has to decide. It's natural. Someone with 50% ownership on a company has a 50% right to decide something..

It's so easy. So why do you fighting over this so much?

I agree too, but this is only under the assumption that large stakeholders will always do things in the best interest of the currency's growth and health. However, I am sure at some point there could be large NXT stakeholders that would vote for something just not acceptable by a majority of the community and it would be interesting to see how that would play out in the actual decision making process.

Well, they are the majority. So let it be.

They're not the majority. That's the point here.

newsilike

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This account was hacked. just recently got it back

Just translated this post to German: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/01/17/whats-nxt-world-cryptocurrencies

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4762678

Könnt mir gerne Bescheid sagen wenn ihr Verbesserungsvorschläge habt !

mudshark79

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Quote from: joefox on January 26, 2014, 05:49:09 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

If you think it is impossible to create "hold that block for a minute" button than you are not coder and also don't know much
about cryptocoin history, like PPS pools going broke because evil miner submits shares but refuses to submit block solutions.

NXT code is open source. Unless everyone use the code where one is punished big time for delaying block generation that
same one can do anything he wishes with delays, especially if others like him join "the guild" and cooperate in some way.

I think you need to present some evidence, instead of insisting that everyone else must prove a negative. This is a serious accusation you're making, and you have to back it up. Otherwise you'll be ignored as a troll.

If it is true then it should be not too difficult to get some statistics about delayed blocks and generating addresses.... just looking at the block chain on some single delayed transactions and finding a big stake isn't a surprise because most blocks are forged by some big accounts, right? Wasn't there someone who compiled some statistics-data already?

Damelon

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: joefox on January 26, 2014, 05:49:09 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

If you think it is impossible to create "hold that block for a minute" button than you are not coder and also don't know much
about cryptocoin history, like PPS pools going broke because evil miner submits shares but refuses to submit block solutions.

NXT code is open source. Unless everyone use the code where one is punished big time for delaying block generation that
same one can do anything he wishes with delays, especially if others like him join "the guild" and cooperate in some way.

I think you need to present some evidence, instead of insisting that everyone else must prove a negative. This is a serious accusation you're making, and you have to back it up. Otherwise you'll be ignored as a troll.

I don't have to prove you lazzy asses anyhing, there is block explorer so once major delay happens just copy and paste the
address of block generator and check it on block explorer. You will see that guy is having 1M+ NXT. Some of the biggest of
delays were done by someone with 50M+ NXT which is really hillarious part.

Blockchain is publicly visible database, all previous evil deeds are listed there so why not do some analysis for yourself?

Correlation is not causality.

You are stating a fact and drawing a conclusion that isn't backed by evidence.

starik69

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Quote from: ?? on ??

If you think it is impossible to create "hold that block for a minute" button than you are not coder and also don't know much
about cryptocoin history

If you are coder, then you could read the code and see where are you wrong Tongue

Tongue

Who is lazy ass then? Grin

Grin

ChuckOne

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Quote from: Anon136 on January 26, 2014, 02:22:06 PM

everyone is really making this whole voting thing more complicated than it needs to be. Just give people voting power in proportion to their stake. enforce a fee equal to the minimum transaction fee to ensure that they actually care about what they are voting on. and as for how long the stake must have remained stationary, let the issuer of the ballot determine that. its not perfect but nothing ever will be and its the best trade off in incentives problems i can think of.

*edit* really why does this even need to be done on the blockchain anyway. its just going to hog resources. let programmers build systems ontop of the blockchain for this. the tokens that we can already produce are all we need.

The ratio of fee and balance should represent the interest in the topic. Just one of them is not enough.

It has nothing to do with making things complicated. It is about being representative.

joefox

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Quote from: ?? on ??

If you think it is impossible to create "hold that block for a minute" button than you are not coder and also don't know much
about cryptocoin history, like PPS pools going broke because evil miner submits shares but refuses to submit block solutions.

NXT code is open source. Unless everyone use the code where one is punished big time for delaying block generation that
same one can do anything he wishes with delays, especially if others like him join "the guild" and cooperate in some way.

I think you need to present some evidence, instead of insisting that everyone else must prove a negative. This is a serious accusation you're making, and you have to back it up. Otherwise you'll be ignored as a troll.

mudshark79

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Quote from: mudshark79 on January 26, 2014, 05:35:26 PM

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Quote from: Damelon on January 26, 2014, 05:26:21 PM

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Quote from: Damelon on January 26, 2014, 05:21:00 PM

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So nothing is fixed ... major stakeholders can still delay forging of blocks to get as much tx fees as they can. Lame!

Please, please please, get out of a PoW mindset when dealing with a PoS system... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Smartass, every forged block that came with noticable delay was forged by guys with 1M+ NXT ... you need more proof?

No, I don't.
Are you really that bothered about the 3 Nxt transaction fee that came with that block?
I'll send you some...

I am bothered with the fact major stakeholders are sort of people that are willing to ruin the NXT blocktime in order to
get some pathetic number of coins from fees. Their attitude clearly shows already they will do anything to get even more
coins so it is already clear as day (at least to me) that NXT future is dependant on people who actualy do not give a shit
about it. Yes, those guys are retards shooting themselves into leg, cutting the wrong side of breach they are sitting on.

NXT is far from 2nd generation cryptocoin if situation that block is not forged for 10 or 15 or 20+ minutes remains.

Where does this information come from.. following this thread for "ages" now and it's the first time that somebody claims it would be possible to delay the blocktime. How should this be done, what do you think? Is there some hidden "hold that block for a minute" button i haven't discovered yet in the NRS Interface Cool

Cool

? Who is telling you this?

No one needs to tell me anything, I know how to use NXT client to get data out of it and check data on NXT block explorer.

OK, then you can tell me how this maneuver has to be done then, technically? You have to alter the codebase in some respect or what exactly has to be done then?

Thanks for the information!

mudshark79

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Damelon on January 26, 2014, 05:26:21 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Damelon on January 26, 2014, 05:21:00 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

So nothing is fixed ... major stakeholders can still delay forging of blocks to get as much tx fees as they can. Lame!

Please, please please, get out of a PoW mindset when dealing with a PoS system... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Smartass, every forged block that came with noticable delay was forged by guys with 1M+ NXT ... you need more proof?

No, I don't.
Are you really that bothered about the 3 Nxt transaction fee that came with that block?
I'll send you some...

I am bothered with the fact major stakeholders are sort of people that are willing to ruin the NXT blocktime in order to
get some pathetic number of coins from fees. Their attitude clearly shows already they will do anything to get even more
coins so it is already clear as day (at least to me) that NXT future is dependant on people who actualy do not give a shit
about it. Yes, those guys are retards shooting themselves into leg, cutting the wrong side of breach they are sitting on.

NXT is far from 2nd generation cryptocoin if situation that block is not forged for 10 or 15 or 20+ minutes remains.

Where does this information come from.. following this thread for "ages" now and it's the first time that somebody claims it would be possible to delay the blocktime. How should this be done, what do you think? Is there some hidden "hold that block for a minute" button i haven't discovered yet in the NRS Interface Cool

Cool

? Who is telling you this?

marek3ball

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Quote from: Alias on January 26, 2014, 05:19:00 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: BitcoinForumator on January 26, 2014, 05:08:42 PM

So are we forking badly or not?

noob question but what happens when it forks???

Every fork of a network is effectively a new network itself. If you get stuck on a new fork/network then the coins you have are newNXT coins, as opposed to originalNXT coins. And they are not usable on the main NXT network. So they are almost useless.

situation A)
- I have money in my account
- I will not update and start new bad fork
- nobody will send me NXT coins
- I will fix situation and update
- are my old NXT ok?

situation B)
- the same as A, however somebody sent me NXT during my bad fork
- will be useless only money received during my bad fork?
- money I had before bad fork are ok?

TigerCoin

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Quote from: Zahlen on January 25, 2014, 02:19:15 PM

Quote from: xyzzyx on January 25, 2014, 02:11:03 PM

There is an article at Ars Technica which really woke me up to how unsafe some seemingly safe pass-phrases may actually be: How the Bible and YouTube are fueling the next frontier of password cracking -- Crackers tap new sources to uncover "givemelibertyorgivemedeath" and other phrases.

That article made me reevaluate and change most of the pass-phrases I had been using on many different sites, including my banks.

I need help with http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/How-To:GenerateStrongPassword. I've looked at many sites that describe how to generate strong passwords. I find most unsatisfactory. They're either outdated, or just instruction lists that don't explain rationales. The requirements for Nxt passwords are orders of magnitude greater than what folks will be used to for other applications; I'd like people to understand why they need to be as careful as they should be, rather than mindlessly following instructions.

EDIT: Everyone, feel free to edit, and especially comment in the Discussion page. We need to use the wiki Talk pages more. Editors also need to know the rationale behind why pages are structured and written as they are, rather than simply piling on edits!

Step 1: Open a text editor
Step 2: Spam the Shift button while randomly mashing every letter and number as fast as you can. Mash the maximum amount of characters allowed.
Step 3: Put on password protected flash drive.

Done.

Raggsock

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Blocklancer - Freelance on the Blockchain

Can someone please send me a NXT, just got the program running and created an account and now I need to get the 256-bit key done but I apparently need some NXT to send out for that. The faucet is not working either. Account number 11758187537607381702
Thanks in advance (I hope

)

Damelon

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Damelon on January 26, 2014, 05:21:00 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

So nothing is fixed ... major stakeholders can still delay forging of blocks to get as much tx fees as they can. Lame!

Please, please please, get out of a PoW mindset when dealing with a PoS system... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Smartass, every forged block that came with noticable delay was forged by guys with 1M+ NXT ... you need more proof?

No, I don't.
Are you really that bothered about the 3 Nxt transaction fee that came with that block?
I'll send you some...

By the way: nice paintings (serious)

EvilDave

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: EvilDave on January 26, 2014, 05:12:18 PM

Anyone seeing a block higher than 51000 ?

Code:

51004		6719982959416303457
0		0 + 0		0 B	
2		7080119969660622374		241 %

Matches with me:

   51004      6719982959416303457      zondag 26 januari 2014 23:22:19

      0      0 + 0      0 B

      2      7080119969660622374      241 %

Which client version, SOMA?

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