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I read the following link in a previous post:

http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Account_Control

This would be a really brilliant feature!

It means almost theft-safe accounts, provided that you can set a control as not reversible

I would do this way:

1) I create a "safe" account A and a "spending" account B
2) I set that account A can only send Nxt to account B and only a limited daily amount

If someone stole my passphrase for account A he could do nothing, if he stole account B he could steal my Nxt but the damage would be limited. If I found that account B is compromised I can create account C and lock account B in the same way as A   Grin

I wonder if such feature could be implemented in bitcoin? Probably it requires some great change in the protocol


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I call 0.00024431 our new High!!!   Grin

Wrong. I sold for the highest high in history. Right after bter added it. Wink



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I hate u..... Wink

I bought NXT again from these BTCs. Wink
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AKA jefdiesel

what with special cases, like the exchanges?

can they vote with users NXT?

Perhaps a colored coin concept can preserve the identity of the beneficial owners of NXT on an exchange? Something that is attached when a user acquires or uploads NXT, and removed when it is sold?

Or a smart contract between the exchange and its users requiring the exhange to cast votes as directed by users?
This too can be gamed.  Assume a person can uniquely be identified with colored coins.  What is to stop a significant stakeholder attaching colored coins to hobos for some pocket change to gain additional votes.   The only solution that cannot be gamed is 1 NXT = 1 vote.  This is also consistent with POS.

ha hobos. NXT in boxcars now
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Hey Salsacz,

 Can you help me find graphic designers for this project? I've removed the design estimated costs from the proposal

 https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3441.0.html

 Does anyone know who designed http://www.nxtcrypto.org/ ?

 It would make sense to link the cards to that site, and match the "look and feel"

 We could link Wesley's modified redemption faucet right into the site with a /redeem/ URL on the cards

 I think this is a great idea and I am not asking for money to do it, only looking to raise funds and help to make it happen

 Thanks!
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Daily Update of NXT Top Account distribution:




Data can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtzyrOvYCfTTdEphdjBHNlNUMVZZUXd2RmlNVDRiUWc&usp=sharing

Includes the 2 big Exchange accounts: 10715382765594435905 and 12292439833850569026
I edited it now
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what with special cases, like the exchanges?

can they vote with users NXT?

Perhaps a colored coin concept can preserve the identity of the beneficial owners of NXT on an exchange? Something that is attached when a user acquires or uploads NXT, and removed when it is sold?

Or a smart contract between the exchange and its users requiring the exhange to cast votes as directed by users?
This too can be gamed.  Assume a person can uniquely be identified with colored coins.  What is to stop a significant stakeholder attaching colored coins to hobos for some pocket change to gain additional votes.   The only solution that cannot be gamed is 1 NXT = 1 vote?  This is also consistent with POS.
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I call 0.00024431 our new High!!!   Grin

Wrong. I sold for the highest high in history. Right after bter added it. Wink



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Don't know if this has actually to do with the voting system, but what do you think?

This "wild west" approach is inefficient. We should strive to do better.
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...we need a simple easy to understand answer that doesn't allow for it to be twisted into the NXT opponents mantra of "greedy founders".

James

Here are a couple different appeals, not all of them congruent.

Appeal to potential investor greed:
The tone of the appeal needs to more more forward looking than backward looking, more focused on the possibilities to be enjoyed by investing now, rather than justifying BCNext's decisions. This appeal targets speculators.
"If you believe that NXT offers the possibility of significant value appreciation, then it might make sense for you buy a stake."
People who buy shares of Bekrshire Hathaway do so because they believe that its value will increase from this point forward more than other things they might invest in. But I don't think they spend a lot of time condemning Warren Buffet or any of the early adopters for having made enormous gains already.  

Appeal to development integrity:
This appeal targets long-term investors.
BCNext closed the funding period because he accumulated exactly the amount of startup funding that was necessary for the project. Taking on more funding would have, in his view, corrupted [this might not be the best word] the development process. The goal was always, and continues to be, developing the best cyptographic architecture. It is common these days for corporations to reward stockholders at the expense of sound product development principles. BCNext is old fashioned in that he always places the integrity of the product above the financial rewards of his investors. But, as we all know, if the product is excellent, the money will find it.

Do any of these appeals help us think about the audience we might be writing to, and the way we want to position the NXT product/process?
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Funding request
Most of us agreed with the decision to have a paid 1 minute sponsor spot at the Let's talk Bitcoin

There will be also 4 new shows with sposor spots, but I wouldn't like to spend too much NXT.

We decided for: 1 minute long ad (=sponsor spot) at the main show for 3 months for 290k NXT (we can pay in BTC)

One stakeholder is willing to pay 1/3 of the NXT. Would anyone join him?

Could we spare some unclaimed coins for this advertisement?

Who wants details, I will send him them.

NxtMarketing account:

2037401990853753795

more info: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4744614 + https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4744963

+1. I will chip in 1001 NXT, not much.

thanks Cheesy you are now listed in the gdoc (in my signature and to the right)
legendary
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Hey, guys and gals, I would be interested in representing NXT at the Texas Bitcoin Conference on March 5-6.  I am in the American South not very far away (relatively speaking) and just checked, I can get a round trip jet ticket to Austin for under $300 if I book soon.  The conference fee is $275 until the end of January, $325 starting in February.  If the devs/community could back me for $1000 (currently around 10K NXT), I volunteer to cover this.  I will kick in 20% of my annual vacation time from my day job.  I am an aerospace engineer in real life, one thing I know how to do is make concise, organized presentations of  complex topics...

http://texasbitcoinconference.com

Of course!

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Its technically possible but its a bit like saying "if we keep discussing it we may eventually come up with a clever unexpected solution to make gravity repel us from earth rather than attract us to earth" which may be true also but i wouldn't hold my breath.

That's a bit arrogant, but Ok, everybody is entitled to his own opinion.

I bet many smart people thought that decentralized money wasn't possible.
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About the voting system:

I have an idea. What if the user gets the choice if he is in or out. I don't care if the logo becomes black or white. But if there are important code changes proposed. The nxt user should decide if he accepts the code change or not.

So the user decides if he wants to be part of the new code, the old code, or maybe an alternative proposal. The community will be split with users on different branches and they will continue separately. The fittest/best branches will survive. So people will 'vote' for the proposal with in the back of their minds 'what is best for the network'.

Don't know if this has actually to do with the voting system, but what do you think?

legendary
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Sure. We all understand that its not perfect. No one claims that it is. Sometimes you have to go with the least bad option. 1 human body 1 vote would be ideal for certain situations (like your example with a logo) but thats just not an option that we have available to us and any attempt to get an outcome closer to that out of a system like nxt will either entail more cost than benefit or be open to massive gaming.

It sure seems this way, but I hope that if we keep discussing it, we might eventually stumble upon some clever, unexpected solution.

Too early to give up Smiley

Its technically possible but its a bit like saying "if we keep discussing it we may eventually come up with a clever unexpected solution to make gravity repel us from earth rather than attract us to earth" which may be true also but i wouldn't hold my breath.
I still stand by my prediction that we will never reach consensus on how to reach consensus.

James
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The more NXT someone has, the more right he has to decide. It's natural. Someone with 50% ownership on a company has a 50% right to decide something..
this is wrong. It is only right in a corporate context. Nxt is not a corpotation, corporations are not people.

Right, but all people in NXT are stakeholders. It's not like we're making up laws for what people can and cannot do in their lives. VS is used to solve consensus as well as what direction NXT should take.

The large holder only has to do this once. What's to stop a large holder from making 10000 accounts now, and then having 10000 votes forever while everyone else who doesn't cheat only has 1?
If he does, he is no longer a large account holder. It would be  twice as expensive for a large account holder to do it more than once.

I thought we were concerned with voting power, not emptying large stakeholder's accounts? Even if he does this, and uses most of his money to do so, the fact is that he will still have 10000x the voting power over everyone else. Btw, you only need 3 NXT per puppet account (transfer fee + public key fee + 1 NXT to keep the stake). 30k NXT for 10k votes... that's actually really cheap for someone with 1mil NXT.
legendary
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The more NXT someone has, the more right he has to decide. It's natural. Someone with 50% ownership on a company has a 50% right to decide something..
this is wrong. It is only right in a corporate context. Nxt is not a corpotation, corporations are not people.
Hm... It was started like corporation. So at what moment do you think it became corporation no more?
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I call 0.00024431 our new High!!!   Grin

Wrong. I sold for the highest high in history. Right after bter added it. Wink



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legendary
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Sure. We all understand that its not perfect. No one claims that it is. Sometimes you have to go with the least bad option. 1 human body 1 vote would be ideal for certain situations (like your example with a logo) but thats just not an option that we have available to us and any attempt to get an outcome closer to that out of a system like nxt will either entail more cost than benefit or be open to massive gaming.

It sure seems this way, but I hope that if we keep discussing it, we might eventually stumble upon some clever, unexpected solution.

Too early to give up Smiley

Its technically possible but its a bit like saying "if we keep discussing it we may eventually come up with a clever unexpected solution to make gravity repel us from earth rather than attract us to earth" which may be true also but i wouldn't hold my breath.
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