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Here's my take on it klee, complete with example economies.

That guy has some good thoughts, but he doesn't consider the fact that with PoW,
hey,
can I lend some sentences? Smiley
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Vircurex adding NXT in 2 days? Is this anything more than a rumour?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4641758

^^ there is the mail.

That's not enough to call it a fact though...
Everybody can post something like that and say they got it from Vircurex. Not even a screenshot of the email would prove anything.
Did anybody tried to contact Vircurex to confirm this?!
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nxtion.com update



I updated a few aspects. Smiley

You don't have to send 5 NXT anymore for confirmation. You can confirm your account with a token now! Also you don't have to type in your password for the login. You do this with the token as well!

If you want to send a shout you can do it now automated with a form or by hand. I included a guide in your control panel of how to add a shout by hand.

There are still a few problems with the blockchain scanner. I included the script on the frontpage, so that everytime someone visits the front page, the blockchain scanner will scan for a new block. I hope this will help to keep it up to date.

If it makes problems again please write me an email.

Please consider: The blockchain always lag behind for 1 block! So you have to wait for 2 new blocks after each shout. After the blockchain scanner scanned the 2. new block it will appear on the site.

Also there are currently a few bugs. You have to reload the page after you edited your profile. I will fix it soon.

If you still have problems you can find an introduction video on the front page now! Smiley

I like how you constantly keep working to make your services as accessible as possible. Smiley
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If I understand correctly, LAK will spend website visitors electricity without them knowing it for the PoW process?
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can someone request http://www.cryptmarketcap.com to add NXT??
I twitted with him/them, he/they said everything was ready but when it as announced ppl start complaining -_- Huh
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EDIT: I just updated my PoS scenario, as I realized some of my conclusions were not fully thought out. This post now has the updated scenario. Basically, it is a little easier for the parasitic rich person to sustain himself than I originally thought, but he still can't grow his wealth as quickly as the poorest person who has a job. And it is still much easier for a parasitic rich person in the PoW scenario to grow his wealth at a faster-than-average rate than in the PoS system.

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It seems to me that the distribution of wealth in a bitcoin economy can be altered much more easily in comparison to a 100% PoS coin economy simply because of the fact that spent coins do not somehow reappear in the wallet of the spender just because he happens to own a lot of coins.

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From a discussion in my FB page (I quote the other guy).
What are your thoughts?


Here's my take on it klee, complete with example economies.

That guy has some good thoughts, but he doesn't consider the fact that with PoW, due to economies-of-scale, it will always be easier for the rich to secure an increasingly greater percentage of the profit from mining. For example, the average joe will have to spend top dollar to buy one miner, but someone (or government/corporation) who has a lot of money can either buy them en-mass and receive a huge discount, or manufacture them directly at an even larger discount. This means that the little guy's slice of the PoW pie will get increasingly smaller because it will always cost him more to maintain his hash rate, while the rich who are already making a much higher ROI will always be able to maintain their advantage at a discounted cost.

In PoS the ROI is the same regardless of how much money you have. As a simple example, suppose we have a PoS network of 100 people, and they all have their accounts open for forging 100% of the time. The richest person has 5% of the total wealth, the poorest person has 0.01% of the total wealth, and everyone else has something in between. For simplicity's sake, let's assume this is a closed system and no new wealth enters the economy. Let's also assume the the richest person decides to be a "parasite to society and offer NOTHING back", i.e. he just sits on his 5% and collects fees from forging. Now, the poorest person doesn't have this option, so he decides to be industrious and starts a business that provides him a moderate amount of income that allows him to earn more than his cost of living/doing business. After one year in this economy the poorest person will still have no less than 0.01% of the total wealth thanks to the interest he earned on forging, and will in fact have gained extra wealth thanks to his successful business. Let's say he now owns 0.02% of the total wealth. Now let's look at the richest person. After one year of doing nothing except collect transaction fees from forging, he earns no more than 5% of the total interest from forging thanks to the way PoS forging works. However, he had living expenses, so we must subtract these from his earnings. Let's say he was wise and didn't exceed the amount that he earned from forging; however, when you subtract his expenses from his forging profits, his net income for the year is obviously less than 5% of all interest earned from forging that year. Since everyone else was also forging 100% of the time, this means his wealth has grown at a slower rate than even the person who earns just enough from his job to pay for his living expenses. Suppose this continues unchanged for the next 10 years. Each year the parasitic rich person's wealth grows at a slower rate than the basic forging interest rate, and each year the poorest person is able to increase his wealth at a greater than basic forging interest rate, thanks to his savings. This is just a little scenario to illustrate that in PoS, while the rich may be able to sustain their lifestyle by doing nothing but forge, their wealth will grow at a slower rate than anyone who has a job that can support their living expenses, so long as everyone is forging. Forging is a trivial task, so there is no reason why everyone shouldn't be able to forge. Who is rewarded the most in a PoS system? The industrious, just like in every other healthy economy.

Now let's take a look at a simple PoW economy. Again, let's suppose this is a network of 100 people, the richest person has 5% of the wealth and the poorest person has 0.01% of the wealth, and no new wealth enters the system. Lets be optimistic and assume everyone is committed to mining, and they all set aside 10% of their wealth to pay for mining hardware and electricity costs. The poorest person can only afford one of the newest ASIC miners, and since he is only buying one, he pays the full retail price. The richest person realizes that he can save a lot of money by manufacturing his own ASIC miners, and he can even sell some to the other members. So he sets up a nice little ASIC farm of 1000 miners for himself which he was able to finance for much less than full retail, and he pockets the money the poorest person and many of the other members gave him to buy one of his miners. So, at the end of the year, the richest person owns a large percentage of the 10% everyone set aside to pay for their mining costs,  and he was also able finance and operate his miners much more cheaply, giving him a much higher ROI. So the richest person has earned much more than 5% of all mining profits for the year, and the poorest person has earned much less than 0.01% of all mining profits for the year. The poorest person is a pretty industrious guy though, so he has his own business which has enabled him to earn a small profit, and he's doing okay, and he might just be able to justify upgrading to one of the new model of ASICs that the richest person is releasing for next year. His neighbor is not so industrious though, and he is thinking he won't be able to afford a new mining rig next year. Obviously, the richest person in this example is also industrious, because he set up an ASIC manufacturing business, but this is an opportunity that is only afforded to the rich. Lets say his neighbor, who is not quite as rich, and not as industrious, simply bought 800 ASIC miners from him at a 40% discount rate from full retail, and then sat back and did nothing all year except to be a "parasite to society and offer NOTHING back". Well, he is still receiving a MUCH higher ROI than the poorest person who could only afford one miner at full retail.

So, your guy was right in saying "the distribution of wealth in a bitcoin economy can be altered much more easily in comparison to a 100% PoS coin economy". It can be altered much more easily in favor of the rich than a purely PoS economy.
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nxtion.com update



I updated a few aspects. Smiley

You don't have to send 5 NXT anymore for confirmation. You can confirm your account with a token now! Also you don't have to type in your password for the login. You do this with the token as well!

If you want to send a shout you can do it now automated with a form or by hand. I included a guide in your control panel of how to add a shout by hand.

There are still a few problems with the blockchain scanner. I included the script on the frontpage, so that everytime someone visits the front page, the blockchain scanner will scan for a new block. I hope this will help to keep it up to date.

If it makes problems again please write me an email.

Please consider: The blockchain always lag behind for 1 block! So you have to wait for 2 new blocks after each shout. After the blockchain scanner scanned the 2. new block it will appear on the site.

Also there are currently a few bugs. You have to reload the page after you edited your profile. I will fix it soon.

If you still have problems you can find an introduction video on the front page now! Smiley

Wow that is really exciting! Smiley
You could basically secure accounts on websites now by linking them to your Nxt-Account.
If your data gets compromised you can verify the rightful ownership.

@How does this token thing actually work?
Some information on that?
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An early adopter or developer that owns a huge percentage of a POS coin will be getting paid more and more for doing nothing. In POW an early adopter gets richer only if the coin actually raises in value and once he spends the coins they are gone. In POS they just keep generating more out of thin air. That is just ridiculous.



Making captial by holding capital is called interest.

PLUS NXT has so much more to offer to the world, AM, Alias, TM, Colored Coins, that NXT is not just a currency. Our holding and PoS forging is our payment for recognizing the chance and taking it.

I live in NYC, this city is full of people's names who made MILLIONS and BILLIONS by being the first to do something. Kerosene and Gasoline made Rockefeller RICH by being the guy that knew how to make it. Braided Steel Cables, Rubber Tires, Copper Wires, Light Bulbs. These are all things that have made the world better and singular men RICH beyond their means. They also spawned whole industries that made MILLIONS more peoples lives better and wealthier.

IF NXT works as it is planned, it has a chance to disrupt some of the most valuable companies in the world. Google, Visa, All the Banks, Stock Markets, and Global Trade. There is PLENTY of room for everyone else to be a part of this.

We get to be the Pratt's, the Roebling's, The Edison's of this generation by all of our insight and work towards a BETTER world.

PS Long on NXT!

Interest is only when there is equal proporcional interest from all investors. Here you have equal and equaler stockholders... small rich elite and many users who promote NXT making elite richer while getting no interest from it. There was no real redistribution in NXT. These with really big amounts - NXT Aristocracy - are rich (official story is like a greek myths ) and are getting rich while others - the majority of NXTers have no chance for being true stockholders. So how you can call this situation? How just is it? How equal?
eMunie will have similar system rewarding stockholders but with true redistribution.

Rockefeller got rich and after it he wanted get even richer so he built monopoly killing competition. How moral is it?

Without real redistribution you will still have a few leechers, monopolists in NXT system with big impact on rate with power to crash rate anytime. It is not only about "interest". Being monopolist let you manipulate rate on exchanges too.  
You didn't see how they do it on dgex? They can do it on any exchange just because they can make big walls to make panic or block rate where is more profitable.

Proper redistribution is essential. If not on start than in progress of functioning of coin.
And here there was no healthy redistribution at start and there won't be any in time, because big stockholders can't be forced to redistribute their own property and noone normal would do it when he has guaranteed profit while others will work for him promoting it.  

Without real redistribution you have no balance in system and this will cause problems in future.

NXT can be disrupted itself by itself... before it will disrupt anything else...

I gave proposition to change system and reward in half owners and in half all active Nxters who are real force and should be real majority owners of NXT. But they don't want changes. They think it is ok with monopolistic system with equal and equaler stockholders.

Some people already wanted to build better world and they ended creating communistic totalitarism worst than even german nazism... so its better to not be hurraoptymistic because it is dangerously near to success propaganda.
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nxtion.com update



I updated a few aspects. Smiley

You don't have to send 5 NXT anymore for confirmation. You can confirm your account with a token now! Also you don't have to type in your password for the login. You do this with the token as well!

If you want to send a shout you can do it now automated with a form or by hand. I included a guide in your control panel of how to add a shout by hand.

There are still a few problems with the blockchain scanner. I included the script on the frontpage, so that everytime someone visits the front page, the blockchain scanner will scan for a new block. I hope this will help to keep it up to date.

If it makes problems again please write me an email.

Please consider: The blockchain always lag behind for 1 block! So you have to wait for 2 new blocks after each shout. After the blockchain scanner scanned the 2. new block it will appear on the site.

Also there are currently a few bugs. You have to reload the page after you edited your profile. I will fix it soon.

If you still have problems you can find an introduction video on the front page now! Smiley
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cryptsy added shitcoin again Angry

Shortcode SHI ?
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cryptsy added shitcoin again Angry

We are in no rush. They will add it soon I think.
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cryptsy added shitcoin again Angry

Shortcode SHI ?
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Vircurex adding NXT in 2 days? Is this anything more than a rumour?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.4641758

^^ there is the mail.
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cryptsy added shitcoin again Angry
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iPhone app - iNxt RELEASED

New version with bug fix already sent to Apple!

IMAGE

For now functions are:

-It takes the price to DGEX
-Charts from nextcoin.pw
-Check the balance of an account
-Check transaction
-Alias<>account



If you want tu suggest new function i will be happy to add it!

i have not get any bounty or donation, if you appreciate my work please donate: 4894174904569783391


AppStore link:https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/inxt/id802351888?l=it&ls=1&mt=8

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=14525138068236148961 thanks for donation!

Why only with iOS 7?Sad

I won't upgrade to it coz it looks shitty Smiley

Will add iOS 6 support and also other exhanges

EDIT: i need just this suggestions to make a good app! Thank you for your suggestions!

I sent version 1.0.1 to apple with some bugfix

New version will include your request
legendary
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Vircurex adding NXT in 2 days? Is this anything more than a rumour?

No, it's true. edit: not sure about 2 days, they said by this weekend IIRC.
Panic buy! Grin
legendary
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iPhone app - iNxt RELEASED

New version with bug fix already sent to Apple!

IMAGE

For now functions are:

-It takes the price to DGEX
-Charts from nextcoin.pw
-Check the balance of an account
-Check transaction
-Alias<>account



If you want tu suggest new function i will be happy to add it!

i have not get any bounty or donation, if you appreciate my work please donate: 4894174904569783391


AppStore link:https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/inxt/id802351888?l=it&ls=1&mt=8

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=2000&tra=14525138068236148961 thanks for donation!
There is only dgex market:(
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Vircurex adding NXT in 2 days? Is this anything more than a rumour?

No, it's true. edit: not sure about 2 days, they said by this weekend IIRC.
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Vircurex adding NXT in 2 days? Is this anything more than a rumour?
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