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Ripple (which puts these selling points first as well) has been around longer than Bitcoin or at least nearly as long I believe.

Huh
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If the merchant has already given you the requested item and after that the first transaction get lost/reverted/etc. (because you spend the money somewhere else) we talk about a double-spend.

You're talking about the case when the merchant accepts the transaction, before even seeing it confirmed even once?

That is what instant transactions are about.
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If the merchant has already given you the requested item and after that the first transaction get lost/reverted/etc. (because you spend the money somewhere else) we talk about a double-spend.

You're talking about the case when the merchant accepts the transaction, before even seeing it confirmed even once?
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PLEASE PLEASE

When you 'QUOTE'....

EDIT THE 'QUOTE' so it only shows what your reply is relevant too..

Please don't quote whole rivers of text.... dare i say 'this is lazy'  Shocked

It will make it a lot lot easier for all of us reading this thread to catch everything...

I'm sure people will forget from time to time but please try to do this.

Thanks  Smiley

Ok.

(I could not resist)

Damn, I wanted to make this joke.

edit: I did.

Do not tease him.

Oops. Cheesy
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PLEASE PLEASE

When you 'QUOTE'....

EDIT THE 'QUOTE' so it only shows what your reply is relevant too..

Please don't quote whole rivers of text.... dare i say 'this is lazy'  Shocked

It will make it a lot lot easier for all of us reading this thread to catch everything...

I'm sure people will forget from time to time but please try to do this.

Thanks  Smiley

Ok.

(I could not resist)

Damn, I wanted to make this joke.

edit: I did.
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Well thank you for clearing that up, I appreciate it. You'll find most of us 'free market' people are pretty nice. We generally don't care how other think or feel, so long as we don't have any force initiated on us. Very 'live and let live'. Again, thank you for your sincere apology.

Now I feel all warm and fuzzy  Roll Eyes
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PLEASE PLEASE

When you 'QUOTE'....

EDIT THE 'QUOTE' so it only shows what your reply is relevant too..

Please don't quote whole rivers of text.... dare i say 'this is lazy'  Shocked

It will make it a lot lot easier for all of us reading this thread to catch everything...

I'm sure people will forget from time to time but please try to do this.

Thanks  Smiley

Ok.

(I could not resist)
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Guys, review this - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nxt-instant-transactions-with-guaranteed-confirmation-316104 - plz. I don't want to implement it and then see that the idea is flawed. Would be great if u did it ASAP.

I'm trying to wrap my mind on the following:

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Someone still can attempt a double-spending by paying for something with low fee and then sending all their coins to other account with higher fee, making it impossible to confirm the first payment.

Since the second transaction has a higher fee, it will get on the next block with higher priority, right? Since the first payment won't be confirmed, how can the double-spend succeed?

If the merchant has already given you the requested item and after that the first transaction get lost/reverted/etc. (because you spend the money somewhere else) we talk about a double-spend.
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When you forge, NRS keeps the account secret in memory. In case the account actually gets to forge a block, the secret is needed to sign the generated block. The block is then broadcasted to peers and they will validate the block.

If that's true that's kind of scary. Seems like a point of vulnerability waiting for a genius with a black hat.
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Any online nodes have enabled APICors? (for ajax cross domain)

i believe I did enable this for vps1 - vps26 hosts on .nxtcrypto.org

Yep thanks, though 10 and 17 or 18 didn't work (and threw an error so didn't check further).

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If it is possible to speed up the network, in a resource efficient manor that wasn't out of balance with the purpose for speeding it up I say "Hell Yeah! Do it". If not , there are other options.

To use your words 'Hell Yeah' this is the way I would try to do it... and it is about infrastructure if you consider this to be how NXT works as a whole, but its not about H/W or shouldn't be (other than N/W).
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This is largely true, but I am applying how cash is legislated (at least here in the U.S) to crypto and I'm pretty certain that setting up a USD mixing service would be stopped immediately and the proprietors would possibly be prosecuted for violating money laundering laws.

No one is going to care about small transactions. But if there's a way to make large amounts of money untraceable (which is also very very difficult to do with cash as well) using crypto-currency then I can guarantee that powerful forces will put a stop to it or at least make it a very dark and dangerous activity to engage in. I'm not risking my freedom so I can buy a beer with my cell phone.

I think the mixing will be an add on layer on top of the Nxt as the gateways and it can be located in any where. Users can stay away from it if they are afraid because of government's regulations.

I am totally fine with that.

Guess what? I'm fine with that too. No need to insult people after all. Cheesy

I'm sorry I offended you. It was not my intention, my passion causes me to step on toes sometimes and verbal/written sparring is something I enjoy as an art form. I really don't take it personally.  I am sure you are a nice person and have a nice family.

Well thank you for clearing that up, I appreciate it. You'll find most of us 'free market' people are pretty nice. We generally don't care how other think or feel, so long as we don't have any force initiated on us. Very 'live and let live'. Again, thank you for your sincere apology.
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Lol. So you didn't actually deny that those comments were meant to be insulting. Nah, I don't get my feelings hurt by your sorry attempts at trying to make yourself look better by putting someone else down. Like I said, you clearly have some insecurities.

I'd also like to know what's going on with Nxt. The day that Nxt stops offering the services that the market wants, in the name of following government regulations, is the day I (and a LOT of other like-minded people) press the SELL button.

I am what you might call a Social Democracy kind of guy and in a lot of ways I could be considered a liberal. However, I am aware that Liberals do some pretty ridiculous things sometimes and their good intentions often pave the way to hell.  When someone calls me a 'lib-tard" I take that as an insult. when someone says something like, "You liberals are always coming up with solutions in search of problems" or something similar I consider that to be good natured debate. I felt my comments were in the realm of the latter.
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I have not reviewed java code but if we can t send passphrase each time that would be great

i do not like the idea of anyone being able to determine if some account is/not forging on a particular IP address.  SSL is available for this type of thing.
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Guys, review this - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nxt-instant-transactions-with-guaranteed-confirmation-316104 - plz. I don't want to implement it and then see that the idea is flawed. Would be great if u did it ASAP.

I'm trying to wrap my mind on the following:

Quote from: BCNext
Someone still can attempt a double-spending by paying for something with low fee and then sending all their coins to other account with higher fee, making it impossible to confirm the first payment.

Since the second transaction has a higher fee, it will get on the next block with higher priority, right? Since the first payment won't be confirmed, how can the double-spend succeed?
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Any online nodes have enabled APICors? (for ajax cross domain)

i believe I did enable this for vps1 - vps26 hosts on .nxtcrypto.org
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When you forge a block, the secret is needed in the cryptographic routine, so it has to go to NRS.

Yep - to log in to a node to make it forge NRS needs the secret.

But to validate an information request? or am I misunderstanding this use-case.

i wasn't thinking there were no cases where NRS needed the secret phrase.
but are there not some cases like this one where tokens would do and they are not being used?

When you forge, NRS keeps the account secret in memory. In case the account actually gets to forge a block, the secret is needed to sign the generated block. The block is then broadcasted to peers and they will validate the block.
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I agree that it is an attractive feature, but I think that there may be other ways for NXT users to accomplish instant point of purchase transactions without the network being able to accomplish instant transactions. Unless there is another reason for needing the network to have these types of transaction speeds, Point of purchase transaction speed could possibly be accomplished by other means.

For example, prepaid credit cards. If it were possible to load a prepaid credit card from a NXT account and use the card at point of purchase, there would be the one loading transaction that may take a while, but he point of purchase transactions would be like credit card transactions.

If point of purchase is the only reason for needing high speed transactions, there may be more efficient solutions than trying to speed up network transactions.

It really boils down to who the target is when it comes to marketing. The Ripple approach is more geared toward the individual user; which can be an expensive and time consuming approach. By taking the approach of marketing to businesses (like credit card/ ach providers) it gives the business some of the workload in spreading the usage of their product. Some may argue that this marketing strategy is contrary to decentralization, But businesses would have the same desire for a decentralized platform to engage in business as individuals do.

If you want volume the vast majority of transactions are still cash and instant - these are C2B - Customer to Business... and i'm talking about the 'world as a whole' not the 'western world'.

If you want to play in this space you need to be instant, card transactions are not 'instant' - the are authorised, the transaction is accepted with ZERO confirmations but based on a validity check - it requires one confirmation from the card issuer and this is done later.. There is also a complex liability model because of this and that is one reason why fee's are so high. BTW this is also true of pre-pay cards.

Prepay cards exist for FIAT, people will only use them for NXT if there is a reason, why not use FIAT. Card Companies have a strangle hold with fee's on the merchants, to get them to use you - you have to give them an alternative - why are webisites accepting bitcoin - because they are crypto enthusiasts all of a sudden - 'No' they are using it as a way to avoid paying higher card charges and a threat to get the card companies to lower their charges.

If you use existing pre-pay card networks then you pay their fees?? It costs millions in POS infrastructure to roll out your own.

To combat card companies you will see mobile payments moving into this space more and more, there is no crypto capable of 'instant transactions' yet that I have seen. The holy grail is to confirm the transaction end2end between the payer and payee accounts.

Like I posted earlier - Instant is NOT needed for everything, and we should have some kind of slow, faster, instant type of transactions.

My question would be: do c2b transactions need to have the kind of speed that people are talking about trying to get out of the NXT network? and is there a point in trying to make changes to the network in relation to this need?

I realize Credit card companies make a lot of money by charging fees, but hat to me is irrelevant to solving the problem of point of purchase sales. I run a small business, and while I would rather a customer pay by other means, I don't turn credit card payments away.

I am just suggesting that if the only reason that there is being any consideration given to putting any resources into changing the NXT network to provide faster transactions is so people won't have to stand and wait at the register at Starbucks while their latte gets cold, that there may be other options to solve this problem outside the network.

Incidentally there would be other benefits to using prepaid credit cards in this fashion: ATM access, More wide spread acceptance and usability, and it would add depth to the NXT portfolio of active business associates.

If it is possible to speed up the network, in a resource efficient manor that wasn't out of balance with the purpose for speeding it up I say "Hell Yeah! Do it". If not , there are other options.
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When you forge a block, the secret is needed in the cryptographic routine, so it has to go to NRS.

Yep - to log in to a node to make it forge NRS needs the secret.

But to validate an information request? or am I misunderstanding this use-case.

i wasn't thinking there were no cases where NRS needed the secret phrase.
but are there not some cases like this one where tokens would do and they are not being used?
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