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Found an interesting link. Nxt community became a victim of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringelmann_effect, IMHO.


I shall tell you what is wrong in this community!

If you pay one person 40,000 NXT /month for stealing more nxt and sit on his ass whole day typing crap that get us nowhere, and hard working members getting nothing

what do you think other members will do? Right nothing than waiting to sell out and leave nxt behind

When will it get through to your skull that the 40,000 isn't a community payment?
It's done by a private person, and it's his right.
Or are you denying private persons the right to spend where they want to?
Well, it's Emule after all. Wink
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I agree that it is an attractive feature, but I think that there may be other ways for NXT users to accomplish instant point of purchase transactions without the network being able to accomplish instant transactions. Unless there is another reason for needing the network to have these types of transaction speeds, Point of purchase transaction speed could possibly be accomplished by other means.

For example, prepaid credit cards. If it were possible to load a prepaid credit card from a NXT account and use the card at point of purchase, there would be the one loading transaction that may take a while, but he point of purchase transactions would be like credit card transactions.

If point of purchase is the only reason for needing high speed transactions, there may be more efficient solutions than trying to speed up network transactions.

It really boils down to who the target is when it comes to marketing. The Ripple approach is more geared toward the individual user; which can be an expensive and time consuming approach. By taking the approach of marketing to businesses (like credit card/ ach providers) it gives the business some of the workload in spreading the usage of their product. Some may argue that this marketing strategy is contrary to decentralization, But businesses would have the same desire for a decentralized platform to engage in business as individuals do.

If you want volume the vast majority of transactions are still cash and instant - these are C2B - Customer to Business... and i'm talking about the 'world as a whole' not the 'western world'.

If you want to play in this space you need to be instant, card transactions are not 'instant' - the are authorised, the transaction is accepted with ZERO confirmations but based on a validity check - it requires one confirmation from the card issuer and this is done later.. There is also a complex liability model because of this and that is one reason why fee's are so high. BTW this is also true of pre-pay cards.

Prepay cards exist for FIAT, people will only use them for NXT if there is a reason, why not use FIAT. Card Companies have a strangle hold with fee's on the merchants, to get them to use you - you have to give them an alternative - why are webisites accepting bitcoin - because they are crypto enthusiasts all of a sudden - 'No' they are using it as a way to avoid paying higher card charges and a threat to get the card companies to lower their charges.

If you use existing pre-pay card networks then you pay their fees?? It costs millions in POS infrastructure to roll out your own.

To combat card companies you will see mobile payments moving into this space more and more, there is no crypto capable of 'instant transactions' yet that I have seen. The holy grail is to confirm the transaction end2end between the payer and payee accounts.

Like I posted earlier - Instant is NOT needed for everything, and we should have some kind of slow, faster, instant type of transactions.
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New iNxt version 1.0.8 in AppStore

Changelog:
New exchange:Cryptsy, Poloniex
Now exchange are sorted for Volume (03/03/14)
App now uses POST instead of GET (more secure)
New API to know if account is forging
Bug fix


Download link:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/inxt/id802351888?l=it&ls=1&mt=8


Donations:
4894174904569783391

Would it be possible to select the exchanges I want to see?
Would it be possible to set the ip/host of the node I want to connect to?
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Hello, I think I is necessary a new API getDeadline(Account) to be used instead of doing all the time "getForging(secretPhrase)".
Is not good to be all the time sending the secretPhrase, just to get the deadline.

You are only interested in the deadline if you are interested in forging. So the descision you have to make is "Is it safe to send the secret to the node I am connected to?". It doesn't matter how often you want to send the secret only if.

Apart from that: You can calculate the deadline yourself with the totalEffectiveBalance from getState:

chance_to_forge = AccountEffectiveBalance / totalEffectiveBalance.Value * 100

hero member
Activity: 784
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New iNxt version 1.0.8 in AppStore

Changelog:
New exchange:Cryptsy, Poloniex
Now exchange are sorted for Volume (03/03/14)
App now uses POST instead of GET (more secure)
New API to know if account is forging
Bug fix


Download link:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/inxt/id802351888?l=it&ls=1&mt=8


Donations:
4894174904569783391

Very nice job, thnak you very much!!
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And you might not want to insult the libertarian community too much. They're a bigger part of crypto community than you probably realize.

Why, what's going to happen to me? Are you going to beat me up? I'm not a libertarian and I have a right to my opinion.
I'm not running for class president.

My age: 46, I own my own business and don't have to commute to and from work.

I'm not a libertarian either. I'm just saying you shouldn't insult people. You said you were a cool guy. You sure haven't been acting like it in any of your responses...

I am pragmatic. I see clearly that ideology and finance need to be separated because finance is math and ideology is opinion.
I am not insulting anyone, only imploring people to not let ideology cloud judgement. I'd say the same sorts of things to a liberal or a communist who tried to inject theirs into this technology.

Cool people are confident enough in themselves not to need validation from others, so your opinion on my coolness is very much irrelevant. You don't know me at all and you never will.

Please... You're telling me little condescending remarks like "That's adorable" and "leaving you and your libertarian friends alone to play with your toys." are NOT meant to be insulting? Your insecurities are clearly showing if you have to include little remarks like those when talking to others that have different opinions.
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Guys, review this - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nxt-instant-transactions-with-guaranteed-confirmation-316104 - plz. I don't want to implement it and then see that the idea is flawed. Would be great if u did it ASAP.

Man I just typed out a huge response as to why this doesn't make any sense and in so doing realized why it makes sense. That is brilliant. Yes it makes perfect sense. Though you dont need a 24 hour limitation. You only need to time limit it to as many blocks as we expect a merchant to need in order to feel secure. 6 maybe 10. 24 hour time lock would allow you to do thinks like buy your own private island with an instantly secure transaction but there is a tradeoff there. is it really worth locking people out of spending their funds for a full 24 hours just so a couple of guys who do HUGE transactions can feel instantly secure. Or is the better trade off to not let people make instantly secure HUGE transactions but also not have to have their nxt locked away for so long.

*edit* note that its still vulnerable against an attempted quintuple spend attack Cheesy.

I agree, its a great idea to hold NXT for instant transactions, I just put a response in the linked thread to see why it can't be done using a reserve balance on the normal account otherwise we have further complexity for the user.

also note that transparent forging would have to be proven first before this could be proven to be 100% secure.

There is still no such thing as TF.

i am aware of this. that is why i said "transparent forging would have to be proven first before this could be proven to be 100% secure". otherwise we may be protected against finney attacks but still vulnerable to more traditional forms of doublespend i.e. secret chains.
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Guys, review this - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nxt-instant-transactions-with-guaranteed-confirmation-316104 - plz. I don't want to implement it and then see that the idea is flawed. Would be great if u did it ASAP.

I think we will need instant transaction in future

Me thinks we need them now, since Ripple already has them.
legendary
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Found an interesting link. Nxt community became a victim of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringelmann_effect, IMHO.


I shall tell you what is wrong in this community!

If you pay one person 40,000 NXT /month for stealing more nxt and sit on his ass whole day typing crap that get us nowhere, and hard working members getting nothing

what do you think other members will do? Right nothing than waiting to sell out and leave nxt behind

When will it get through to your skull that the 40,000 isn't a community payment?
It's done by a private person, and it's his right.
Or are you denying private persons the right to spend where they want to?
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Guys, review this - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nxt-instant-transactions-with-guaranteed-confirmation-316104 - plz. I don't want to implement it and then see that the idea is flawed. Would be great if u did it ASAP.

It makes sense to me. As long as accounts follow the 10% in 24 hours rule I don't see any chance for double spending. It could be vey handy for certain business.
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IMHO I think mixing stands a high chance of being made illegal in the future. Tread with caution.

I struggle to see how they would be able to define a "mixer". If they outlaw a certain type, just make another slighty modified one.
They would have to downright outlaw anonymity then...

I agree... if I pay in cash... no one Id's me..


This is largely true, but I am applying how cash is legislated (at least here in the U.S) to crypto and I'm pretty certain that setting up a USD mixing service would be stopped immediately and the proprietors would possibly be prosecuted for violating money laundering laws.

No one is going to care about small transactions. But if there's a way to make large amounts of money untraceable (which is also very very difficult to do with cash as well) using crypto-currency then I can guarantee that powerful forces will put a stop to it or at least make it a very dark and dangerous activity to engage in. I'm not risking my freedom so I can buy a beer with my cell phone.
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Found an interesting link. Nxt community became a victim of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringelmann_effect, IMHO.

This is why the military stratifies into organized groups: a single soldier is assigned a duty or task within a team, at team is assigned a duty or task within a platoon, a platoon is assigned a duty or task within a company, ETC...

If coordinated and disciplined, a large group will have a weakness in mobilization time compared to an individual, but carry a lot more momentum and capacity to do work. And It is possible and KEY in large group settings to still maintain a  sense of individualism by tasking and setting expectations for individuals and clearly defining these tasks and expectations.



Ego is the enemy of order. Organization is the remedy. -Brian Nowhere

Ego is a tool that can be used to some effect, depending on the ego. Some people just have difficult egos.
legendary
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Guys, review this - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nxt-instant-transactions-with-guaranteed-confirmation-316104 - plz. I don't want to implement it and then see that the idea is flawed. Would be great if u did it ASAP.

sorry - over my head ..


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Hello, I think I is necessary a new API getDeadline(Account) to be used instead of doing all the time "getForging(secretPhrase)".
Is not good to be all the time sending the secretPhrase, just to get the deadline.

Nearly no difference between getForging(secretPhrase) and startForging(secretPhrase), both are "secretPhrase" not safe.

Code:
public final class StartForging extends APIServlet.APIRequestHandler {

    static final StartForging instance = new StartForging();

    private StartForging() {}

    @Override
    JSONStreamAware processRequest(HttpServletRequest req) {

        String secretPhrase = req.getParameter("secretPhrase");
        if (secretPhrase == null) {
            return MISSING_SECRET_PHRASE;
        }

        Generator generator = Generator.startForging(secretPhrase);
        if (generator == null) {
            return UNKNOWN_ACCOUNT;
        }

        JSONObject response = new JSONObject();
        response.put("deadline", generator.getDeadline());
        return response;

    }

    @Override
    boolean requirePost() {
        return true;
    }

}

Code:
public final class GetForging extends APIServlet.APIRequestHandler {

    static final GetForging instance = new GetForging();

    private GetForging() {}

    @Override
    JSONStreamAware processRequest(HttpServletRequest req) {

        String secretPhrase = req.getParameter("secretPhrase");
        if (secretPhrase == null) {
            return MISSING_SECRET_PHRASE;
        }
        Account account = Account.getAccount(Crypto.getPublicKey(secretPhrase));
        if (account == null) {
            return UNKNOWN_ACCOUNT;
        }

        Generator generator = Generator.getGenerator(secretPhrase);
        if (generator == null) {
            return NOT_FORGING;
        }

        JSONObject response = new JSONObject();
        response.put("deadline", generator.getDeadline());
        return response;

    }

    @Override
    boolean requirePost() {
        return true;
    }

}

They could do something more simple? Smiley
or is the only way?


I have not reviewed java code but if we can t send passphrase each time that would be great
sr. member
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Guys, review this - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nxt-instant-transactions-with-guaranteed-confirmation-316104 - plz. I don't want to implement it and then see that the idea is flawed. Would be great if u did it ASAP.

I think we will need instant transaction in future
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IMHO I think mixing stands a high chance of being made illegal in the future. Tread with caution.

I struggle to see how they would be able to define a "mixer". If they outlaw a certain type, just make another slighty modified one.
They would have to downright outlaw anonymity then...

I agree... if I pay in cash... no one Id's me..

Mixed transactions will 'stop' some parties transacting through the mixers e.g. businesses because of the legislation applies to them.

Governments might come after the 'mixer' because of the use it is put to - they don't like ToR for example.

Is a mixer 'illegal' - it is if YOU use it for a transaction that it is illegal for YOU to perform in this way e.g. where you must by law have full KYC of the buyer or seller.

Is the mixer a problem where the law doesn't proscribe the buyer and seller are fully identified... No
Is the mixer at fault because its used for illegal transactions - if you knowingly aid criminal activity using the mixer - Yes
If the mixer is simply used to protect an individuals privacy on a public block chain - I don't know - I would argue 'Not'
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Found an interesting link. Nxt community became a victim of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringelmann_effect, IMHO.


I shall tell you what is wrong in this community!

If you pay one person 40,000 NXT /month for stealing more nxt and sit on his ass whole day typing crap that get us nowhere, and hard working members getting nothing

what do you think other members will do? Right nothing than waiting to sell out and leave nxt behind



Who gets 40k NXT per month? Cheesy
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FinCEN getting involved in cryptocurrency is a huge blow to Bitcoin in the US and NXT as well.   If NXT implements NXTcash as a truly anonymous transfer service, we can expect FinCen to arrest James as a terrorist.

I am only partially joking.
will I get internet access from jail?

James is a machine Grin

looking forward to first delivery of that machine Grin

bla bla bla
https://github.com/jl777/multigateway

and what exactly do i buy with this multigateway what is its purpose, and its centralized

apperently this is of no value for nxt as price is declined even more. actualy i can do nothing with your code.

Actually, from what I understand about it, the code and what it does is pretty smart. It does have several uses and can be implemented in decentralized ways.

Go back to sleep Emule.
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And you might not want to insult the libertarian community too much. They're a bigger part of crypto community than you probably realize.

Why, what's going to happen to me? Are you going to beat me up? I'm not a libertarian and I have a right to my opinion.
I'm not running for class president.

My age: 46, I own my own business and don't have to commute to and from work.

I'm not a libertarian either. I'm just saying you shouldn't insult people. You said you were a cool guy. You sure haven't been acting like it in any of your responses...

I am pragmatic. I see clearly that ideology and finance need to be separated because finance is math and ideology is opinion.
I am not insulting anyone, only imploring people to not let ideology cloud judgement. I'd say the same sorts of things to a liberal or a communist who tried to inject theirs into this technology.

Cool people are confident enough in themselves not to need validation from others, so your opinion on my coolness is very much irrelevant. You don't know me at all and you never will.
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