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solarion

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Quote from: Eadeqa on April 05, 2014, 10:49:51 AM

Quote from: msin on April 05, 2014, 10:43:57 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:42:01 AM

1593 or 1592 less the nonsensical minimum transaction fee.

PM me your Nxt account # associated with YOUR password and I'll send you 1593 later, I think you should at least stick around so you can try Asset Exchange and some other really neat features being released soon.

If you do follow his advice, don't choose your password. It needs to be very strong with 128-bit entropy

Try this client

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

let it create 12 word password (and save it) losing password means losing your account . It can be recovered.

Thank you, there are entirely too many competitors to waste any more time on a product as unrefined as this one. I wish you guys well though.

CIYAM

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I will give @solarion the *benefit of the doubt* rather than just "shooting him down in flames".

Yes - it is unfortunate that the "default" client doesn't stop you from entering an "empty" password (or a non-secure one for that matter).

As has been mentioned this will be addressed when the "new" client becomes part of the Nxt standard software.

Understand that early Bitcoin versions had even worse problems (gmaxwell has mentioned some of those) so always when using "alpha" software *be very careful*.

solarion

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Quote from: Daedelus on April 05, 2014, 10:48:07 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:46:09 AM

Quote from: Eadeqa on April 05, 2014, 10:41:51 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:35:21 AM

happy to be on it if you're so blind that you cannot see the problem with this.

Don't get emotionally involved with your coin choice.

I actually agree with you. The built-in client can be confusing for people used to bitcoin and the it's clones. People don't read the dialog box at the login. You probably just hit entered without entering any passphrase. That client (which was supposed to be temporary) lasted way too long. It's sceduled to be replaced with this one in near future

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

Try that one and it won't let you make that mistake easily, as it will create the pass phrase for you.

Thank you for the non-insulting comment. Patience & tolerance seem to be lacking in this thread.

I think it's fair to say that if this client that I downloaded yesterday and ran on the most common os in mass use can screw up that badly at protecting me from myself then this coin is not for me and I will not bet on it's future adoption. Had this occurred late last year when this thing was new I could've excused this, but after months if this thing is still to dumb to protect people that re-use another's password then I have no hope for it.

That's a bit rich, you just ignore my questions when I keep trying to help you.

You don't seem to get it. I understand what happened now. I just think this thing is a dead end if it's not any smarter than that.

Eadeqa

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Quote from: msin on April 05, 2014, 10:43:57 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:42:01 AM

1593 or 1592 less the nonsensical minimum transaction fee.

PM me your Nxt account # associated with YOUR password and I'll send you 1593 later, I think you should at least stick around so you can try Asset Exchange and some other really neat features being released soon.

If you do follow his advice, don't choose your password. It needs to be very strong with 128-bit entropy

Try this client

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

let it create 12 word password (and save it) losing password means losing your account . It can be recovered.

solarion

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Quote from: Eadeqa on April 05, 2014, 10:46:00 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:39:13 AM

I DID VERIFY IT. Someone else's account number is *STILL* on my screen and it *STILL* matches the one cryptsy sent to.

It's not someone's else account. It's an account for "null" password. If I hit enter without entering a pass phrase, I get the same account number 3791936988034107349

Nxt is a brain wallet.

Private key = Sha256 (password)

Next sucks. totally. not. impressed.

Daedelus

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Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:46:09 AM

Quote from: Eadeqa on April 05, 2014, 10:41:51 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:35:21 AM

happy to be on it if you're so blind that you cannot see the problem with this.

Don't get emotionally involved with your coin choice.

I actually agree with you. The built-in client can be confusing for people used to bitcoin and the it's clones. People don't read the dialog box at the login. You probably just hit entered without entering any passphrase. That client (which was supposed to be temporary) lasted way too long. It's sceduled to be replaced with this one in near future

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

Try that one and it won't let you make that mistake easily, as it will create the pass phrase for you.

Thank you for the non-insulting comment. Patience & tolerance seem to be lacking in this thread.

I think it's fair to say that if this client that I downloaded yesterday and ran on the most common os in mass use can screw up that badly at protecting me from myself then this coin is not for me and I will not bet on it's future adoption. Had this occurred late last year when this thing was new I could've excused this, but after months if this thing is still to dumb to protect people that re-use another's password then I have no hope for it.

That's a bit rich, you just ignore my questions when I keep trying to help you.

solarion

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Quote from: Eadeqa on April 05, 2014, 10:41:51 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:35:21 AM

happy to be on it if you're so blind that you cannot see the problem with this.

Don't get emotionally involved with your coin choice.

I actually agree with you. The built-in client can be confusing for people used to bitcoin and the it's clones. People don't read the dialog box at the login. You probably just hit entered without entering any passphrase. That client (which was supposed to be temporary) lasted way too long. It's sceduled to be replaced with this one in near future

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

Try that one and it won't let you make that mistake easily, as it will create the pass phrase for you.

Thank you for the non-insulting comment. Patience & tolerance seem to be lacking in this thread.

I think it's fair to say that if this client that I downloaded yesterday and ran on the most common os in mass use can screw up that badly at protecting me from myself then this coin is not for me and I will not bet on it's future adoption. Had this occurred late last year when this thing was new I could've excused this, but after months if this thing is still to dumb to protect people that re-use another's password then I have no hope for it.

Eadeqa

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Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:39:13 AM

I DID VERIFY IT. Someone else's account number is *STILL* on my screen and it *STILL* matches the one cryptsy sent to.

It's not someone's else account. It's an account for "null" password. If I hit enter without entering a pass phrase, I get the same account number 3791936988034107349

Nxt is a brain wallet.

Private key = Sha256 (password)

msin

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Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:42:01 AM

1593 or 1592 less the nonsensical minimum transaction fee.

PM me your Nxt account # associated with YOUR password and I'll send you 1593 later, I think you should at least stick around so you can try Asset Exchange and some other really neat features being released soon.

Daedelus

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Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:39:13 AM

Quote from: msin on April 05, 2014, 10:37:56 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: msin on April 05, 2014, 10:33:00 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:32:05 AM

Quote from: TwinWinNerD on April 05, 2014, 10:30:41 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:28:27 AM

No password = no account number. How is that not simple in software?

If john smith for instance uses his name as his password(not smart) the chances that someone else has used that password increases exponentially with adoption, but the software won't warn the 37th john smith of that and will merrily send john smith(#1) all of the other john smith's coins. Correct?

This system sucks. If this basic stuff hasn't been worked out in april of 2014 then these programmers are knuckleheads and everyone should abandon ship.

Just follow the security advise on the site. It clearly says 30 digits password.

Noone was able to lose his coins in a way like you. It is your fault for not double checking if you entered the right password..

Fine, I'm stupid. Can we move on now?

WHY DOES THE SOFTWARE SHOW AN ACCOUNT NUMBER THAT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE?!?

Because you entered a passcode that belongs to someone else.

That will happen thousands of times over globally. Think man. There needs to be more safeguards than a simple password.

For some reason you didn't record your account #. If you are sending money via Paypal to an email address, do you verify the email address before sending? When you are writing a check, do you verify the name of the person you are writing the check to before mailing it? I'm not sure why you didn't record your Account # and verify it before sending Nxt.

I DID VERIFY IT. Someone else's account number is *STILL* on my screen and it *STILL* matches the one cryptsy sent to.

You either entered a 6 word pass or no password.

Which is it?

solarion

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1593 or 1592 less the nonsensical minimum transaction fee.

Eadeqa

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Activity: 644

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Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:35:21 AM

happy to be on it if you're so blind that you cannot see the problem with this.

Don't get emotionally involved with your coin choice.

I actually agree with you. The built-in client can be confusing for people used to bitcoin and the it's clones. People don't read the dialog box at the login. You probably just hit entered without entering any passphrase. That client (which was supposed to be temporary) lasted way too long. It's sceduled to be replaced with this one in near future

http://nxtra.org/nxt-wallet/

Try that one and it won't let you make that mistake easily, as it will create the pass phrase for you.

msin

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Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:39:13 AM

Quote from: msin on April 05, 2014, 10:37:56 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: msin on April 05, 2014, 10:33:00 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:32:05 AM

Quote from: TwinWinNerD on April 05, 2014, 10:30:41 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:28:27 AM

No password = no account number. How is that not simple in software?

If john smith for instance uses his name as his password(not smart) the chances that someone else has used that password increases exponentially with adoption, but the software won't warn the 37th john smith of that and will merrily send john smith(#1) all of the other john smith's coins. Correct?

This system sucks. If this basic stuff hasn't been worked out in april of 2014 then these programmers are knuckleheads and everyone should abandon ship.

Just follow the security advise on the site. It clearly says 30 digits password.

Noone was able to lose his coins in a way like you. It is your fault for not double checking if you entered the right password..

Fine, I'm stupid. Can we move on now?

WHY DOES THE SOFTWARE SHOW AN ACCOUNT NUMBER THAT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE?!?

Because you entered a passcode that belongs to someone else.

That will happen thousands of times over globally. Think man. There needs to be more safeguards than a simple password.

For some reason you didn't record your account #. If you are sending money via Paypal to an email address, do you verify the email address before sending? When you are writing a check, do you verify the name of the person you are writing the check to before mailing it? I'm not sure why you didn't record your Account # and verify it before sending Nxt.

I DID VERIFY IT. Someone else's account number is *STILL* on my screen and it *STILL* matches the one cryptsy sent to.

How much Nxt did you lose?

Daedelus

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Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:38:06 AM

Quote from: Daedelus on April 05, 2014, 10:36:36 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: msin on April 05, 2014, 10:33:00 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:32:05 AM

Quote from: TwinWinNerD on April 05, 2014, 10:30:41 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:28:27 AM

No password = no account number. How is that not simple in software?

If john smith for instance uses his name as his password(not smart) the chances that someone else has used that password increases exponentially with adoption, but the software won't warn the 37th john smith of that and will merrily send john smith(#1) all of the other john smith's coins. Correct?

This system sucks. If this basic stuff hasn't been worked out in april of 2014 then these programmers are knuckleheads and everyone should abandon ship.

Just follow the security advise on the site. It clearly says 30 digits password.

Noone was able to lose his coins in a way like you. It is your fault for not double checking if you entered the right password..

Fine, I'm stupid. Can we move on now?

WHY DOES THE SOFTWARE SHOW AN ACCOUNT NUMBER THAT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE?!?

Because you entered a passcode that belongs to someone else.

That will happen thousands of times over globally. Think man. There needs to be more safeguards than a simple password.

Not if they follow the advice.

People constantly ignore advice. Cholesterol is bad, but people still eat french fries.

And then live with the consequences. I.e your coins *will* be stolen.

That's good advice

solarion

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I give up. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.

I wasn't happy with the premine scammy disbursement of this thing anyway, just wanted to give it a fair shake. I feel like I have given it that and been sorely disappointed.

Whoever got my coins, please enjoy them.

solarion

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Quote from: msin on April 05, 2014, 10:37:56 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: msin on April 05, 2014, 10:33:00 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:32:05 AM

Quote from: TwinWinNerD on April 05, 2014, 10:30:41 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:28:27 AM

No password = no account number. How is that not simple in software?

If john smith for instance uses his name as his password(not smart) the chances that someone else has used that password increases exponentially with adoption, but the software won't warn the 37th john smith of that and will merrily send john smith(#1) all of the other john smith's coins. Correct?

This system sucks. If this basic stuff hasn't been worked out in april of 2014 then these programmers are knuckleheads and everyone should abandon ship.

Just follow the security advise on the site. It clearly says 30 digits password.

Noone was able to lose his coins in a way like you. It is your fault for not double checking if you entered the right password..

Fine, I'm stupid. Can we move on now?

WHY DOES THE SOFTWARE SHOW AN ACCOUNT NUMBER THAT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE?!?

Because you entered a passcode that belongs to someone else.

That will happen thousands of times over globally. Think man. There needs to be more safeguards than a simple password.

For some reason you didn't record your account #. If you are sending money via Paypal to an email address, do you verify the email address before sending? When you are writing a check, do you verify the name of the person you are writing the check to before mailing it? I'm not sure why you didn't record your Account # and verify it before sending Nxt.

I DID VERIFY IT. Someone else's account number is *STILL* on my screen and it *STILL* matches the one cryptsy sent to.

solarion

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Activity: 966

Merit: 513

Quote from: Daedelus on April 05, 2014, 10:36:36 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: msin on April 05, 2014, 10:33:00 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:32:05 AM

Quote from: TwinWinNerD on April 05, 2014, 10:30:41 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:28:27 AM

No password = no account number. How is that not simple in software?

If john smith for instance uses his name as his password(not smart) the chances that someone else has used that password increases exponentially with adoption, but the software won't warn the 37th john smith of that and will merrily send john smith(#1) all of the other john smith's coins. Correct?

This system sucks. If this basic stuff hasn't been worked out in april of 2014 then these programmers are knuckleheads and everyone should abandon ship.

Just follow the security advise on the site. It clearly says 30 digits password.

Noone was able to lose his coins in a way like you. It is your fault for not double checking if you entered the right password..

Fine, I'm stupid. Can we move on now?

WHY DOES THE SOFTWARE SHOW AN ACCOUNT NUMBER THAT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE?!?

Because you entered a passcode that belongs to someone else.

That will happen thousands of times over globally. Think man. There needs to be more safeguards than a simple password.

Not if they follow the advice.

People constantly ignore advice. Cholesterol is bad, but people still eat french fries.

msin

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Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: msin on April 05, 2014, 10:33:00 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:32:05 AM

Quote from: TwinWinNerD on April 05, 2014, 10:30:41 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:28:27 AM

No password = no account number. How is that not simple in software?

If john smith for instance uses his name as his password(not smart) the chances that someone else has used that password increases exponentially with adoption, but the software won't warn the 37th john smith of that and will merrily send john smith(#1) all of the other john smith's coins. Correct?

This system sucks. If this basic stuff hasn't been worked out in april of 2014 then these programmers are knuckleheads and everyone should abandon ship.

Just follow the security advise on the site. It clearly says 30 digits password.

Noone was able to lose his coins in a way like you. It is your fault for not double checking if you entered the right password..

Fine, I'm stupid. Can we move on now?

WHY DOES THE SOFTWARE SHOW AN ACCOUNT NUMBER THAT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE?!?

Because you entered a passcode that belongs to someone else.

That will happen thousands of times over globally. Think man. There needs to be more safeguards than a simple password.

For some reason you didn't record your account #. If you are sending money via Paypal to an email address, do you verify the email address before sending? When you are writing a check, do you verify the name of the person you are writing the check to before mailing it? I'm not sure why you didn't record your Account # and verify it before sending Nxt.

Evil-Knievel

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Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:35:21 AM

happy to be on it if you're so blind that you cannot see the problem with this.

Don't get emotionally involved with your coin choice.

The "problem" is also present in bitcoin. If you create a brainwallet with a weak "password" your coins will be gone as well.

Daedelus

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Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: msin on April 05, 2014, 10:33:00 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:32:05 AM

Quote from: TwinWinNerD on April 05, 2014, 10:30:41 AM

Quote from: solarion on April 05, 2014, 10:28:27 AM

No password = no account number. How is that not simple in software?

If john smith for instance uses his name as his password(not smart) the chances that someone else has used that password increases exponentially with adoption, but the software won't warn the 37th john smith of that and will merrily send john smith(#1) all of the other john smith's coins. Correct?

This system sucks. If this basic stuff hasn't been worked out in april of 2014 then these programmers are knuckleheads and everyone should abandon ship.

Just follow the security advise on the site. It clearly says 30 digits password.

Noone was able to lose his coins in a way like you. It is your fault for not double checking if you entered the right password..

Fine, I'm stupid. Can we move on now?

WHY DOES THE SOFTWARE SHOW AN ACCOUNT NUMBER THAT BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE?!?

Because you entered a passcode that belongs to someone else.

That will happen thousands of times over globally. Think man. There needs to be more safeguards than a simple password.

Not if they follow the advice.

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