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Im sure all the trashtalk of Briannowhere could be locked with one sentence explaining it  mathematically.But people just ignore him.When you solve this he will come with another stupid claim,saying he is legit because he did something for the community.

And dont tell me to be nice with him.I am nice with absolutely everyone, but not with a guy who tries to tilt everyone who is putting much effort here and spend his days creating a bad atmosphere in the thread. I cant believe someone even criticized TwinWinNerD for the escrow, when Brian is just here trying to destroy all your efforts.

Yeah, I'm trying to destroy Nxt. That's why I invested in it. It's people like you who convinced me to stop. I was never into dogecoin but you people could learn a lot from that community.

You guys love emule because there's no substance. I'm the worst person in the world because I ask uncomfortable questions you don't want to face up to.
sr. member
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I don't believe Brian with 12K nxt ever forger a block (correct me if I am wrong).

My account number is below. I ran an open client 24/7 from the day I opened it,  had over 23K a large part of that time and never forged a single block.

Great.  Doesn't that answer your own question? Not everyone with small amount of nxt is needed as they can't forge anyway.



The frustration of being unable to forge blocks is justified  (and if one actually does forge, it's peanuts). Not only users with a 23k stake dislike this, 100k/200k/300k's do too. I've heard it countless times. I have about 100k NXT and I do not bother forging to earn more Nxt, I only bother forging for the network itself. Without incentive though, I am not the only one who believes this to be a key issue of the network.  Yes yes, I know, nodecoin is supposed to solve this issue, yet that's kind of a workaround.

Reality is that forging is not profitable at all. The problem is that people misunderstand Nxt's forging model as an actual alternative to "mining". Why? Because it was partially marketed this way: I remember this video comparing heavy mining machines in Iceland with a guy on a boat forging Nxt with his phone.

I have nearly 100K NXT and forge constantly, not because I expect to make a fortune doing so, but to secure the network, protect my investment, and because it is what a member of the community should do. I find the bellyaching over the lack of rewards from forging nearly as distasteful as the complaining about initial distribution. NXT is an incredible bargain at $.03 so stop bitching and buy some.
hero member
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Why? The rest of billion nxt would be distributed among so many different users, they will never be able to coordinate together to launch a double spending attack (even if individually all are dishonest).

Not if the people who hold that percentage Nxt are all small stakeholders (wide distribution) who don't bother to run open clients. Then you've got a security problem.

How would that be? If people with small amount of nxt don't run nodes, the big holders still get to forge most blocks. How has anything changed? You need one person (or a large group all coordinating together) with  more than 500 million nxt or something to generate more than 10 blocks in a row




My understanding is that 51% of ALL stake needs to be running open clients AND be good guys.

That's assuming the rest are all dishonest and coordinating together. An impossibility
sr. member
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Im sure all the trashtalk of Briannowhere could be locked with one sentence explaining it  mathematically.But people just ignore him.When you solve this he will come with another stupid claim,saying he is legit because he did something for the community.

And dont tell me to be nice with him.I am nice with absolutely everyone, but not with a guy who tries to tilt everyone who is putting much effort here and spend his days creating a bad atmosphere in the thread. I cant believe someone even criticized TwinWinNerD for the escrow, when Brian is just here trying to destroy all your efforts.
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Why? The rest of billion nxt would be distributed among so many different users, they will never be able to coordinate together to launch a double spending attack (even if individually all are dishonest).

Not if the people who hold that percentage Nxt are all small stakeholders (wide distribution) who don't bother to run open clients. Then you've got a security problem.

How would that be? If people with small amount of nxt don't run nodes, the big holders still get to forge most blocks. How has anything changed? You need one person (or a large group all coordinating together) with  more than 500 million nxt or something to generate more than 10 blocks in a row




My understanding is that 51% of ALL stake needs to be running open clients AND be good guys. Are you saying that it's only 51% of all
open running clients that need to be good guys?  

In this case if 50% of ALL stake-holders were shut off, then 25.1% of the the remaining stake could bring down Nxt? That seems even worse.
hero member
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Why? The rest of billion nxt would be distributed among so many different users, they will never be able to coordinate together to launch a double spending attack (even if individually all are dishonest).

Not if the people who hold that percentage Nxt are all small stakeholders (wide distribution) who don't bother to run open clients. Then you've got a security problem.

How would that be? If people with small amount of nxt don't run nodes, the big holders still get to forge most blocks. How has anything changed? You need one person (or a large group all coordinating together) with  more than 500 million nxt or something to generate more than 10 blocks in a row


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Why? The rest of billion nxt would be distributed among so many different users, they will never be able to coordinate together to launch a double spending attack (even if individually all are dishonest).

Not if the people who hold that percentage Nxt are all small stakeholders (wide distribution) who don't bother to run open clients. Then you've got a security problem.
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Reality is that forging is not profitable at all. The problem about the forging model is that people misunderstand it as an actual alternative to "mining".

The problem is also that if 50% of all stake is not "forging" (running open client), the network will be vulnerable to attack. If Nxt becomes too widely distributed it becomes a big problem. The network is self incentivized to stay more centralized with a cadre of very large stakeholders who will protect the network. Meanwhile these large stakeholders will get all the forging rewards.

Nxt should just come out and say don't bother forging unless you have 100K Nxt. The big shareholders will protect you.
That's not what the marketing says.
hero member
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We don't have pools, but even if we do, we have like 150 people with over 1 million nxt? As long as some of them are forging, no pool is going to forge 10 blocks in a row anytime soon  

150 ppl holding 150 Million is not half of a 1 billion. You need 351 more millionaires to protect the network.
can there never be pools with Nxt? Everything that's going on today is not what will be going on tomorrow.

Why? The rest of billion nxt would be distributed among so many different users, they will never be able to coordinate together to launch a double spending attack (even if individually all are dishonest).
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We don't have pools, but even if we do, we have like 150 people with over 1 million nxt? As long as some of them are forging, no pool is going to forge 10 blocks in a row anytime soon  

150 ppl holding 150 Million is not half of a 1 billion. You need 351 more millionaires to protect the network.
can there never be pools with Nxt? Everything that's going on today is not what will be going on tomorrow.
hero member
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I don't believe Brian with 12K nxt ever forger a block (correct me if I am wrong).

My account number is below. I ran an open client 24/7 from the day I opened it,  had over 23K a large part of that time and never forged a single block.

Great.  Doesn't that answer your own question? Not everyone with small amount of nxt is needed as they can't forge anyway.



The frustration of being unable to forge blocks is justified  (and if one actually does forge, it's peanuts). Not only users with a 23k stake dislike this, 100k/200k/300k's do too. I've heard it countless times. I have about 100k NXT and I do not bother forging to earn more Nxt, I only bother forging for the network itself. Without incentive though, I am not the only one who believes this to be a key issue of the network.  Yes yes, I know, nodecoin is supposed to solve this issue, yet that's kind of a workaround.

Reality is that forging is not profitable at all. The problem is that people misunderstand Nxt's forging model as an actual alternative to "mining". Why? Because it was partially marketed this way: I remember this video comparing heavy mining machines in Iceland with a guy on a boat forging Nxt with his phone.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
I don't believe Brian with 12K nxt ever forger a block (correct me if I am wrong).

My account number is below. I ran an open client 24/7 from the day I opened it,  had over 23K a large part of that time and never forged a single block.

Great.  Doesn't that answer your own question? Not everyone with small amount of nxt is needed as they can't forge anyway.

member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
I don't believe Brian with 12K nxt ever forger a block (correct me if I am wrong).

My account number is below. I ran an open client 24/7 from the day I opened it,  had over 23K a large part of that time and never forged a single block.
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It depends on how much currency they control.  NXT is currently susceptible to 51% currency attacks because TF isn't fully implemented yet.  If someone is able to control 51% of the currency currently forging, they can attack NXT.

I told you this yesterday.

I request you send the 200 NXT to harmony666 please  Grin



I ruled out yesterday in the original offer.

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150 Nxt goes to the person who can show conclusively that I have been "told this repeatedly", before yesterday, when James finally answered me with a somewhat definitive answer (that still has no mathematical proof), here in these threads or anywhere else.
You get 200 Nxt if you can show C-F-B directly answering me regarding the above question.
hero member
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Could someone give ME an answer then? Or do I have to go through the whole thread as well?
Is there a percentage? Is it a fixed number of users with a minimum about of NXT?

There is no percentage or fixed number or definite answer. I don't believe Brian with 12K nxt ever forger a block (correct me if I am wrong). Most blocks are forged by big holders and it's in their self interest to run nodes and forge, as they have big investment in the system.

hero member
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Self-Interest is also Bitcoin's defense regarding 51% attacks, yet the pooling phenomenon has made this argument more specious.
A malicious agent could pose as a benevolent pool and accumulate enough mining power to take Bitcoin down. Likely? not really. Posible?
Definitely.


We don't have pools, but even if we do, we have like 150 people with over 1 million nxt? As long as some of them are forging, no pool is going to forge 10 blocks in a row anytime soon

 
sr. member
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You were given the answer many times in this thread.  Look it up yourself. There is no definite percentage as accounts will continue to grow. All we need that at least some big holders (more than 300K nxt)  forge, as they get to forge almost all blocks anyway, they need to be honest with no shenanigans, and provide enough bandwidth. Since they have big investment, it's in their self interest to do that.

Nxt survives just by that.

As I said, I'll send you 150 Nxt to show me anywhere besides the two posts above and the one from James from yesterday
where someone answered the question directly to me with an actual non-vague and/or dismissive answer. But as usual asking a valid technical question is trolling. I will be logging off permanently soon but had to respond to the FUD you threw out about me. (When people stop talking shit about me I'll stop coming here.) Despite what you've said about me, the only thing i've been told repeatedly is that I'm pest for asking too many questions (yet emule is being courted over to nxtforum.org)

Self-Interest is also Bitcoin's defense regarding 51% attacks, yet the pooling phenomenon has made this argument more specious.
A malicious agent could pose as a benevolent pool and accumulate enough mining power to take Bitcoin down. Likely? not really. Posible?
Definitely.

If i'm a huge business do I want to invest building all or part of my infrastructure around a technology that requires 50% of all stake-holders to run a computer program on their computer 24/7? Is that a mathematically feasible expectation? Is this why BCNext said Nxt will collapse if people don't "cooperate"?

These seem like really reasonable questions to me that I'd think anyone who is trying to get people to invest money in something would be happy to answer. Here it's all  evasiveness and name-calling. It's really fishy.

Guys, now I want to now as well.

Could someone give ME an answer then? Or do I have to go through the whole thread as well?
Is there a percentage? Is it a fixed number of users with a minimum about of NXT?
hero member
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Btw, how could harmony666 attack the Net? It was something like to prevent some accounts from forging isnt it? Is that issue solved? Why did he come almost as a terrorist and later he was so "friendly"?  Huh

It was accident. He tried stealing money from BTER by using this attack

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3884.0.html

but didn't succeed, but the attack crashed some forgers which was not his original plan. The original plan was to steal money from BTER account.

legendary
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Yeah! I hate ShroomsKit!
Btw, how could harmony666 attack the Net? It was something like to prevent some accounts from forging isnt it? Is that issue solved? Why did he come almost as a terrorist and later he was so "friendly"?  Huh
hero member
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It depends on how much currency they control.  NXT is currently susceptible to 51% currency attacks because TF isn't fully implemented yet.  If someone is able to control 51% of the currency currently forging, they can attack NXT.

I told you this yesterday.

I request you send the 200 NXT to harmony666 please  Grin

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