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Nxt Indirect Mining doesn't involve forging.

The basic steps are:

1) Use mining hardware to mine PumpDumpcoin
2) Sell PumpDumpcoin for BTC
3) Use BTC to buy NXT on an exchange

Therefore you are mining and indirectly getting NXT  Grin



yeah, mining Nxt is nice. I see the Nxt mining as a transition from 1.0 crypto to 2.0 crypto. Eventually, mining Nxt will not be profitable, but, right now it is good, because Nxt is really undervalued.

@BrianNowhere: man, how much free time you have in your life at the moment. Recently, I almost only see post from you in this thread.  Cheesy
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You were given the answer many times in this thread.  Look it up yourself. There is no definite percentage as accounts will continue to grow. All we need that at least some big holders (more than 300K nxt)  forge, as they get to forge almost all blocks anyway, they need to be honest with no shenanigans, and provide enough bandwidth. Since they have big investment, it's in their self interest to do that.

Nxt survives just by that.

As I said, I'll send you 150 Nxt to show me anywhere besides the two posts above and the one from James from yesterday
where someone answered the question directly to me with an actual non-vague and/or dismissive answer. But as usual asking a valid technical question is trolling. I will be logging off permanently soon but had to respond to the FUD you threw out about me. (When people stop talking shit about me I'll stop coming here.) Despite what you've said about me, the only thing i've been told repeatedly is that I'm pest for asking too many questions (yet emule is being courted over to nxtforum.org)

Self-Interest is also Bitcoin's defense regarding 51% attacks, yet the pooling phenomenon has made this argument more specious.
A malicious agent could pose as a benevolent pool and accumulate enough mining power to take Bitcoin down. Likely? not really. Posible?
Definitely.

If i'm a huge business do I want to invest building all or part of my infrastructure around a technology that requires 50% of all stake-holders to run a computer program on their computer 24/7? Is that a mathematically feasible expectation? Is this why BCNext said Nxt will collapse if people don't "cooperate"?

These seem like really reasonable questions to me that I'd think anyone who is trying to get people to invest money in something would be happy to answer. Here it's all  evasiveness and name-calling. It's really fishy.




hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500

I am sure we had a Nxt forging pool,


http://www.nxtio.org

 Smiley

[EDIT] Nxtpool.net started as a forging pool. Now it's for miners.

I can not withdraw my nxt
The  Token is wrong.

Just a bit curious about the NXT pool: how can the "miners" get their interests if only forging 1 NXT?

Nxt Indirect Mining doesn't involve forging.

The basic steps are:

1) Use mining hardware to mine PumpDumpcoin
2) Sell PumpDumpcoin for BTC
3) Use BTC to buy NXT on an exchange

Therefore you are mining and indirectly getting NXT  Grin

hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1009

I am sure we had a Nxt forging pool,


http://www.nxtio.org

 Smiley

[EDIT] Nxtpool.net started as a forging pool. Now it's for miners.

I can not withdraw my nxt
The  Token is wrong.

Just a bit curious about the NXT pool: how can the "miners" get their interests if only forging 1 NXT?
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
Offer stands to show where anyone else here has answered my question directly  and told me that the Nxt network will be secure with only large stakeholders forging.

I will not search that too-long thread.

Nevertheless, I do not get your question. Could you paraphrase it?

The question, which I think is important to have a mathematical answer to.

What ratio of existing accounts need to be running an open client for the network to be secure?


You were given the answer many times in this thread.  Look it up yourself. There is no definite percentage as accounts will continue to grow. All we need is that at least some big holders (with more than 300K nxt)  forge, as they get to forge almost all blocks anyway, they need to be honest with no shenanigans, and provide enough bandwidth. Since they have big investment, it's in their self interest to do that.

Nxt survives just by that.

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PS. CFB is orbiting the moon, staging our arrival, and there are certain parts of the day when he's on the dark side, and hence no one hears from him.

He always seems to have time to answer Emule.

My latest theory. Emule = BCNext.
member
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Offer stands to show where anyone else here has answered my question directly  and told me that the Nxt network will be secure with only large stakeholders forging.

I will not search that too-long thread.

Nevertheless, I do not get your question. Could you paraphrase it?

The question, which I think is important to have a mathematical answer to.

What ratio of existing accounts need to be running an open client for the network to be secure?

My concern is that since small stakeholders do not get NXT (not nodecoin) rewards for running an open client, what will happen
if most of these people lock their clients once Nxt gets widely distributed?

Hypothetical: What if all the Nxt in existence were divided equally amongst 2,000,000 accounts? where each would have 500 Nxt.
What if most of these people didn't open their clients? What would happen?  

According to James if more than a million people locked their clients nxt would be vulnerable. That is until transparent forging is implemented, at which point DDOS attacks to individual nodes becomes the new problem.

Seems the answer is to keep Nxt from getting too widely distributed. God bless the 1%
legendary
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Here are the two best answers on the subject I received before yesterday. to the question: "Is there a mathematical known ratio regarding this? ie: For every 10 users 1 needs to be forging?"

to which i then went on to add: "If a significant number of users can keep their clients locked without it being a problem then I am satisfied. I would do it for free."

Two best answers before yesterday:

It depends on how much currency they control.  NXT is currently susceptible to 51% currency attacks because TF isn't fully implemented yet.  If someone is able to control 51% of the currency currently forging, they can attack NXT.


At any given time if X% of the stake is forging, then X/2% can do a 51% attack.
So yes, this is quite important
It is NOT about earning spam prevention fees
It is about securing the network

If you own NXT. FORGE.
Otherwise it is like letting a mining pool get 75% of the new blocks. Just asking for trouble.

Stop focusing on what fees you are earning or not. Start forging to protect the network. Every little bit counts

James

Offer stands to show where anyone else here has answered my question directly  and told me that the Nxt network will be secure with only large stakeholders forging.
It's a legitimate fucking question. C-F-B always seems to go very very quiet when I ask about this. Would love to get a statement from him.  



Just can't stay away, I'm starting to like you  Kiss

PS. CFB is orbiting the moon, staging our arrival, and there are certain parts of the day when he's on the dark side, and hence no one hears from him.
sr. member
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☕ NXT-4BTE-8Y4K-CDS2-6TB82
Offer stands to show where anyone else here has answered my question directly  and told me that the Nxt network will be secure with only large stakeholders forging.

I will not search that too-long thread.

Nevertheless, I do not get your question. Could you paraphrase it?
hero member
Activity: 910
Merit: 1000
I give you 350 NXT if you leave us.

made me smile Cheesy
member
Activity: 70
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Here are the two best answers on the subject I received before yesterday. to the question: "Is there a mathematical known ratio regarding this? ie: For every 10 users 1 needs to be forging?"

to which i then went on to add: "If a significant number of users can keep their clients locked without it being a problem then I am satisfied. I would do it for free."

Two best answers before yesterday:

It depends on how much currency they control.  NXT is currently susceptible to 51% currency attacks because TF isn't fully implemented yet.  If someone is able to control 51% of the currency currently forging, they can attack NXT.


At any given time if X% of the stake is forging, then X/2% can do a 51% attack.
So yes, this is quite important
It is NOT about earning spam prevention fees
It is about securing the network

If you own NXT. FORGE.
Otherwise it is like letting a mining pool get 75% of the new blocks. Just asking for trouble.

Stop focusing on what fees you are earning or not. Start forging to protect the network. Every little bit counts

James

Offer stands to show where anyone else here has answered my question directly  and told me that the Nxt network will be secure with only large stakeholders forging.
It's a legitimate fucking question. C-F-B always seems to go very very quiet when I ask about this. Would love to get a statement from him.  

member
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I give you 350 NXT if you leave us.

Deal. My Acct # is below.
hero member
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If there are say, 100,000 Nxt accounts, what percentage of them need to be running open clients for the system to be secure?
Is it 10% 20% 50% 75%? Does anyone even know? Nobody answers when I ask.
The only reason I've harped on the same question is because no one has given a satisfactory answer. In fact this is when the devs get very slippery and evasive and people start calling me a troll.

This question has been answered a million times. Since only big holders get to forge most often, only a few big holders are needed. They have self interest to not only forge, but be honest forgers, as anything bad and  dishonest (like double spending)  would hurt nxt credibility, which would result in killing their own investment. That's proof of stake at work.

I know this thread is very long, but this question has been answered multiple times.

Despite the long thread, he has been told this repeatedly. He just keeps posting the same thing over and over again, along with why ripple is better.


150 Nxt goes to the person who can show conclusively that I have been "told this repeatedly", before yesterday, when James finally answered me with a somewhat definitive answer (that still has no mathematical proof), here in these threads or anywhere else.
You get 200 Nxt if you can show C-F-B directly answering me regarding the above question.

The closest answer I got before yesterday was James telling me that for X amount of existing nodes X% needs to be forging and that I should forge if I give a shit about the network. No other person has given me a straight, solid answer on this question before yesterday.

(I lplanned to ogged out permanently yesterday (can't seem to be able to delete the account) but saw this and had to issue the challenge to this bullshit charge) prove me wrong and prove Eadeqa right and win 150 to 200 Nxt.


I give you 350 NXT if you leave us.
member
Activity: 70
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If there are say, 100,000 Nxt accounts, what percentage of them need to be running open clients for the system to be secure?
Is it 10% 20% 50% 75%? Does anyone even know? Nobody answers when I ask.
The only reason I've harped on the same question is because no one has given a satisfactory answer. In fact this is when the devs get very slippery and evasive and people start calling me a troll.

This question has been answered a million times. Since only big holders get to forge most often, only a few big holders are needed. They have self interest to not only forge, but be honest forgers, as anything bad and  dishonest (like double spending)  would hurt nxt credibility, which would result in killing their own investment. That's proof of stake at work.

I know this thread is very long, but this question has been answered multiple times.

Despite the long thread, he has been told this repeatedly. He just keeps posting the same thing over and over again, along with why ripple is better.


150 Nxt goes to the person who can show conclusively that I have been "told this repeatedly", before yesterday, when James finally answered me with a somewhat definitive answer (that still has no mathematical proof), here in these threads or anywhere else.
You get 200 Nxt if you can show C-F-B directly answering me regarding the above question.

The closest answer I got before yesterday was James telling me that for X amount of existing nodes X% / needs to be forging and that I should forge if I give a shit about the network. No other person has given me a straight, solid answer on this question before yesterday.

(I lplanned to ogged out permanently yesterday (can't seem to be able to delete the account) but saw this and had to issue the challenge to this bullshit charge) prove me wrong and prove Eadeqa right and win 150 to 200 Nxt.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000

I am sure we had a Nxt forging pool,


http://www.nxtio.org

 Smiley

[EDIT] Nxtpool.net started as a forging pool. Now it's for miners.

I can not withdraw my nxt
The  Token is wrong.
hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 500
i do not have a real account Grin

That's not true. Your posting format/style and common mistakes have already revealed your real account.
I am not going to post names but it is pretty obvious, in my eyes at least. Grin

And hey, it's ok to have the opinions you have, but you could have posted with your real id in the first place. Nevermind...
sr. member
Activity: 396
Merit: 250

I am sure we had a Nxt forging pool,


http://www.nxtio.org

 Smiley

[EDIT] Nxtpool.net started as a forging pool. Now it's for miners.
full member
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Guys can I use any special character for a password? And what is a maximal length of a password?

Thanks
Ola
sr. member
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Yes yes very understandable, but as far as you are concerned, aside from testing, bug fixes/ revisions you are done with primary implementation?

Yes
nice Smiley how did you manage to finish this in a month? or have you been working on it all along?
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