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legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
Here's the top 15 forgers of the last 30 days, as the pie chart would be far too crowded to display more:

Edit: To clarify, the number is the percentage of blocks forged.

Thanks - but I need their *stake* as well to be included in the same diagram.

Anyway - I've chatted with CfB and he is happy for me to "drop a bombshell".

So get ready...
sr. member
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you can also try online SHA generator.
http://hash.online-convert.com/sha256-generator

 Roll Eyes

Don't. Use. Online. Hash. Generators. Please.
sr. member
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Whilst I am waiting for CfB to come online to discuss TF it would be very helpful if someone could create a blockchain statistical chart that specifically tells us the number of blocks found by the top 100 forgers along with their relative stake (over say the last 30 days) or has someone already got this on a website (I couldn't find this particular chart)?

Here's the top 15 forgers of the last 30 days, as the pie chart would be far too crowded to display more:

Edit: To clarify, the number is the percentage of blocks forged.




hero member
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I don't get your idea, or I get it. I don't know.

Instead of leasing forge power, you commit with your account to share fees among others in the same "share fee group" if you forge a node. You still try to forge a block on your own, but you commit to share the incentive with others if you are successful (with special conditions like committing to run the node for some time, ...). Could this be done with AT and would that make sense?
legendary
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Just talked to bittrex, they have only 86 signups from nxt at the moment..

You should all go and sign up.

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Go to https://bittrex.com/Account/Register and use SUPPORT_NXT as the invite code. This gets you past the invite code queue. Place some trades, enabled 2FA, or try any of our other features to help us stress the site before the final launch. If you find a bug, we're handing out bug bounties as well. Having a great exchange helps us but also helps the NXT community.

- Done, for the 3rd time (with different e-mail addresses :-)  
newbie
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Just talked to bittrex, they have only 86 signups from nxt at the moment..

You should all go and sign up.

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Go to https://bittrex.com/Account/Register and use SUPPORT_NXT as the invite code. This gets you past the invite code queue. Place some trades, enabled 2FA, or try any of our other features to help us stress the site before the final launch. If you find a bug, we're handing out bug bounties as well. Having a great exchange helps us but also helps the NXT community.


Done.
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
who can refute my idea?

Try writing your idea in math or in a simulator rather than just trying to ask people to "refute" it.
full member
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I would like introduce to the discussion the concept of sharing fees when small account decide to use a pool for receive fees more frequently over time.

Everybody talks about "leasing forging power of a account to another account to create pools". This involves reducing the number of nodes to the number of pools.

I maintain that it is better to keep the funds and forging power of each small account in the small account node

Is Not better the concept of sharing fees if your account is successful and forge?

who can refute my idea?
legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
Slightly? In your simulation (A has 10 nxt, B has 90 nxt) A forges 25.5% of the blocks when it should forge only 5.5%. That's big difference! B should have much longer streaks I think.

Okay - a bit more than "slightly" in the 90/10 case.

Let's not focus on the 90/10 case for now (the other cases work much better in the simulator) but sure I grant you that the actual streaks could well be much *larger* that what I've showed for the worst case (I just want people to realise that long winning streaks are very much *possible*).

I am more interested in the 50/50 cases at this stage (if there is any "bug" in my code causing the skew as the percentages get higher then it won't matter if we just focus on those cases for now).
hero member
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There must be something wrong in your simulation.

The figures skew as the larger stake holder gets bigger due to the way the math is done (you can see when I publish it) but in any case if anything it might be showing slightly "better" results that the reality (certainly not worse).


Slightly? In your simulation (A has 10 nxt, B has 90 nxt) A forges 25.5% of the blocks when it should forge only 5.5%. That's big difference! B should have much longer streaks I think.
hero member
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Just talked to bittrex, they have only 86 signups from nxt at the moment..

You should all go and sign up.

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Go to https://bittrex.com/Account/Register and use SUPPORT_NXT as the invite code. This gets you past the invite code queue. Place some trades, enabled 2FA, or try any of our other features to help us stress the site before the final launch. If you find a bug, we're handing out bug bounties as well. Having a great exchange helps us but also helps the NXT community.


Done.
legendary
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Yes,it is really useful for more people know that there is a new thing named Nxt.
sr. member
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Just talked to bittrex, they have only 86 signups from nxt at the moment..

You should all go and sign up.

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Go to https://bittrex.com/Account/Register and use SUPPORT_NXT as the invite code. This gets you past the invite code queue. Place some trades, enabled 2FA, or try any of our other features to help us stress the site before the final launch. If you find a bug, we're handing out bug bounties as well. Having a great exchange helps us but also helps the NXT community.


Only 14 more needed to register with SUPPORT_NXT invite code to get to the 100 needed!!!

LET'S DO IT PEOPLE!!!
sr. member
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Just talked to bittrex, they have only 86 signups from nxt at the moment..

You should all go and sign up.

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Go to https://bittrex.com/Account/Register and use SUPPORT_NXT as the invite code. This gets you past the invite code queue. Place some trades, enabled 2FA, or try any of our other features to help us stress the site before the final launch. If you find a bug, we're handing out bug bounties as well. Having a great exchange helps us but also helps the NXT community.
hero member
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legendary
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legendary
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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer
Now someone had suggested we don't let the winner be the same as the last winner. Let's modify our last example to do that:

blocks = 1440
a: 10
b: 10
c: 10
d: 10
e: 10
f: 50
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wins( a ) = 138
wins( b ) = 168
wins( c ) = 190
wins( d ) = 203
wins( e ) = 220
wins( f ) = 521
best_streak( a ) = 1
best_streak( b ) = 1
best_streak( c ) = 1
best_streak( d ) = 1
best_streak( e ) = 1
best_streak( f ) = 1
best_combined_streak = 12

Well our best combined streak is 12 - so I don't think that the limit a streak to 1 is going to help us either.
sr. member
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So here I've gone back to the 1st simulation configuration but now added a new "combined best streak" which combines all the accounts apart from the last one:

blocks = 1440
a: 10
b: 10
c: 10
d: 10
e: 10
f: 50
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fafabffccfeffafdbfdfcbfaccffebcefefffeadacfbecedfdbbffeccbbfacbefffbffffffefcff fffdaffcebffbbfdcbefafffecfffaffaffffffbffedfdcffbfaf
fffbfffffebdadeffffaffbbfcfdfcffaaffffcaffeffeefffaffcecfcffdfffffbfaffffdbdaff eccfffffbfefeadffffeedefcffcdbfbfffefffafadffddbdfcef
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ffbffbfbfffaaecdfbfcffffbfcfffbfcafeefdffdfbfafdffceffffdffafdffdfdbffbbfbfaafe edffdfffffaaecdfffffcdfbfbcdcafeeacfeffffefffffdddfdc
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ffdfdafcfdfbfcffdebdffabffbdaaefefffffdefacdefacfffcafecefabfdcfbffdffefeffffbb ecaaabbffffdbfeefefcbfffafffbfccfcacbffef
wins( a ) = 165
wins( b ) = 156
wins( c ) = 150
wins( d ) = 147
wins( e ) = 146
wins( f ) = 676
best_streak( a ) = 3
best_streak( b ) = 3
best_streak( c ) = 2
best_streak( d ) = 3
best_streak( e ) = 2
best_streak( f ) = 7
best_combined_streak = 10

I've again "bolded" the longest streak which now happens to be our combined one (that hurt my eyes to find).

Running it a few times shows that sometimes the best combined streak is better and at other times worse so I'd say on average it's going to be the same (i.e. "splitting up accounts in to smaller accounts" won't help).


Could you build a frequency distribution of all the combined and the f streaks? I guess a normal distribution without deeper consideration.
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