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It's your proofs?  

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https://thunderbird.asu.edu/search/Patterson  - nope
https://www.nebrwesleyan.edu/search?textsearch=patterson&x=0&y=0 - nope
https://www.wbs.ac.uk/news/winter-graduation-celebrations/ - Clare Patterson was found....

Sean Patterson is liar.

Possibly letting her to proceed with an unlimited number of Worldcore acusing threads would have worked against her - seeeing such massive efforts noone would take her seriosly and otherwise as a paid poster.

But anyway leading even the only thread almost for a year since the October, 2017 with more than 1250 post up to the date is something is like singing the same old song everyday for 11 months away - the only reaction could be, "OMG! We're fed up and sick with your singing, get lost immediately!"))))   

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To make sure that worldcore-review.com belongs to Worldcore company there is a note on their official website:

Do you consider a possibility that Worldcore intentionally mixed up the words "audit" and "evaluation" relying on lazy people who do not read documents and those who do not understand English?

The accusation was that worldcore lied about E&Y valueing the company at $30Million. They did not lie about that.


The accusation is now that they:  

(6) lied about an audit.

https://web.archive.org/web/20181014102114/http://worldcore-review.com/en/2018/05/29/what-rating-gave-the-company-worldcore-global-leader-in-audit-ernst-young/








It appears that they claimed that they were audited but if your read what they are describing and substitute it with "valuation" it suddenly makes much more sense.



It still reads like garbled nonsense but it makes more sense using the word "valuation"  than using the word "audit".

The website that stated it is also not registered to Worldcore and there is nothing to prove that it belongs to them. It could be some incompetent bounty manager that wrote that.

I'm not trying to excuse it but there appears to be more "Laurel and Hardy" to this than outright scam.

(6) lied about an audit. Partly proven:  ☑�

Worlcore-review.com The site appears to dedicate itself in a counter FUD / smear campaign. Which is only making it worse for themselves.


https://web.archive.org/web/20181014102114/http://worldcore-review.com/en/2018/05/29/what-rating-gave-the-company-worldcore-global-leader-in-audit-ernst-young/

"the available resources and possible future prospects were estimated." does not describe an audit. It describes a valuation.

I believe this to be a case of "mistranslation", "misunderstanding of terminology" or "incompetence".

So it is proven that it was said. It is unclear exactly the role of the person who said it. There is a strong indication that they did not understand what they were saying was wrong. Anyone reading the actual E&Y report that the article linked to would have discovered that it was not an audit but a valuation.

Who-ever is doing their PR is doing a terrible job. They appear to have taken a very adversarial approach rather than to tackle it logically and systematically.
Most of the "issues" have a logical explanation but their reaction to the accusations makes them look like an angry teenager is running their PR.
I can understand why they would be angry - but their approach is making it worse.

Wordcore-review.com is full of errors and gives a thuggish impression.

It even spells its own name wrong in places.




Like I said: "Laurel and Hardy"

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Could it be considered as proof? Worldcore declares that Ernst&Young has audited company:


Ernst&Young writes the opposite in the report:

I'm stying tuned too - and I'll be watching over if you're not tuned good enough! 

Keep in mind, there's been already two lawsuits filed by Worldcore - I'll be happy to hear your comments my friend when the court's desicions will have come into their force.   

Regarding the token price etc. - the market capitalization has fallen as low as at $189 billion mark.
Zilliqa alone lost 35% of its price in a day!
XRP (the third major token) also lost 35% in a week and now it's $0,265 - once again, it's XRP!

https://ttrcoin.com/attachments/screenshot_49-png.5765/

The report is not completely useless. It is just an expensive way of saying "buy this".



ICOs think they can control FUD by having a self-moderated topic. To the experience investor that would already be a red flag. It is like an echo chamber. The real issues will be discussed elsewhere - over which they have no control and can often lead to the other extreme. - superFUD.

Here is what the company representative wrote about the Ernst&Young report before ICO.

Translation: "From the evaluation report of the company and the software that is being prepared by Ernst & Young at this moment it will be clear that all the written numbers are not fiction and certainly not a hoax. Actually this report will be the final basis for making a decision on the purchase of our tokens".

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I asked this and another questions in the Worldcore official thread but their manager is deleting my comments there.

I'll remember this post.  


Doubting, please call Senior Inspector for particularly important cases Ryabchuk Alexander Yurievich by phone, indicated in the document: +380931919489
You can ask him about stamp.



Other examples of official documents without a stamp:

swifthub.eu and Swifthub Ltd are two completely different things. Swifthub.eu is a domain name and Swifthub.ltd is a private company.

It would be like saying RESEARCHER FORUM LTD Company number 08759523 owns the researcher194 account on bitcointalk because they both have the name researcher and it is related to forums.  

I have seen no evidence that Swifthub Ltd has had any links to swifthub.eu other than that it shares a symilar name.

The website swifthub.eu clearly states that it is

 Lanbo group inc as the legal entity operating under the brand "swifthub"

https://web.archive.org/web/20150628010924/http://swifthub.eu/





https://opencorporates.com/companies/pa/657230


The UK company status is "dormant" which means they just used it to reserve the name while the actual trading is done with the Panamanian company which is held on behalf of the owners by a Panamanian Law firm.


https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/11501674

The company is run out of Panama.



So far my concerns are:

BOTs / Shills posting on the forum ☑

Veiled death threat ☑

1)Partly proven:  ☑�  I view this as evidence to support suspicion rather than evidence of proof.
Google code links sites
I'm not convinced that it proves ownership (on the balance of probabilities).
It could mean that the same web developer monitors those sites.


I agree that makes it more suspect. But the way that they have conducted themselves has not been that logical or ethical. In the same context as:
They could have removed it because "it appeared suspicious" or because "it proved something". Unless there is other evidence I am still willing to give them the benefit of doubt on this one before progressing to the next assumption that the sites have the same owners.

The implications of being related to those other sites is very serious and I think more proof is needed to make such a serious accusation.

2) Proven: ☑
Fake qualifications.

3) Still to be investigated. �




The problem with a roadmap is that it is a plan. Sometimes plans change or are delayed.
It doesn't appear that they have "run off with the money" so delayed plans are not an indication that there is a scam.

4. Likely exaggeration ☑�   I view it as exaggerated sales hyperbole.
While we do not have access to their customer database their website traffic does not indicate that they have 300 000 customers.


However their website traffic has substantially decreased since that statement in April




It is also not clear how they conducted the study on their customers. They may have "studied" sales data from since inception.





They also stated:


Many crypto related companies did see huge growth over the November 2017 to March 2018 period. I'd like to see Worldcore to provide some proof of those assertions. There does not appear to be any evidence that suggests that they have 300 000 customers.


5. Not proven. ☒  

An Audit and a valuation are two completely separate things and different departments from Ernst & Young. Unless the valuation report is false (no evidence of such) then the valuation has occurred. So the accusation that worldcore lied about it is false / incorrect / mistaken.
The reliability of the report is questionable. "Reliance restricted" is a red flag. It means that worldcore paid E&Y to give them a valuation that they wanted for their ICO.  It is as reliable as saying " someone who I paid a lot of money says my business is worth $xxxxx".

An audit is a series of tests done by an auditor to test the reliability of the accounting system. It checks that the data can be relied upon. It is of limited scope so it does not always pick up serious financial issues. It mainly checks that the accounting system is reliable.

It is important.

There was a report of Worldcore for 2017.

https://or.justice.cz/ias/ui/vypis-sl-firma?subjektId=721594 (the two top files).

Attention - all amounts in thousands of CZK and are converted to EUR or USD at the current exchange rate.

Worldcore also turned off site https://worldcore.com/ with unfulfilled Roadmap and the list of employees.

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Worldcore Payment Service Rebranding, Business Expansion and Recent Updates

EUPSProvider - Rietumu Banka - Marineserv Ships Inc.

I suspect that Marineserv Ships Inc. was/is the main client of EUPSProvider. Read this document: http://www.marineserv.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/worldcore_transfer.pdf

What about this company?

Since August 2018 it´s registered in Greater London with one active director (Henrik Aspevik) and one active secretary (Stron Legal Services Ltd. - a company which offers pseudo-secretaries for a lot of companies). For a company like Marineserv Ships this management is very unusual. It seems to be only a one person company.

https://suite.endole.co.uk/insight/company/11501674-marineserv-ships-inc-limited

But there is another information about this company:

https://www.maritimejournal.com/directory-entries/marineserv-ships-inc

Oh, what´s that? Located in Panama City? Its address there: Mailbox No 09201, 0819 Panama City.

And here the company´s website: http://www.marineserv-ships.com/

Great site but big fake! One only can speculate about the role that this company played in Worldcore´s plan. Perhaps money laundering?

https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/7372977?hl=en


So it's the same Google account. And the fact that they removed it from the Worldcore site strongly suggests that they're trying to sweep their tracks.

The court between RUSBASE and Worldcore was postponed until October 2, 2018:
https://kad.arbitr.ru/Card/f8e9cf3e-bfca-4392-ab44-8a3ff74435ea



are there proofs confirms that Sean is currently working in Worldcore?  
or is it your imagination?

Are there proofs that Shaun really graduated from MBA? Nasonov also allegedly graduated from something.

Please check these arguments also:
4. Worldcore lies that their customer base has increased by 12 times in 6 months, from 25 thousands to 300 thousands people. Although the number of visitors of worldcore.trade is 2400 per month.
5. Worldcore lies that Ernst&Young has valued the company at $30 million. (Article in English: http://archive.li/sDNrI#selection-617.81-617.245). But in fact, Worldcore wasn't audited.


Indirect connection Worldcore to scam Forex Trend.
CEO of Forex Trend Oleg Polishevich shared a Worldcore link in his Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/oleg.polishevich/posts/10209837584041089

That is exactly what started to annoy me. It was hard to see the facts from fiction.

Veleor was great and supplied a list.


1. Somewhat true. Link is not strong. Looking for more corroborating evidence. I'm not sure of the importance / relevance of the -1 and -2 at the end of the number.
Benson Union UA-33418442-1 and Worldcore UA-33418442-2  It could be a re-issued code.

2. True

3. Not yet checked.

I don't.


That's what makes this whole Worldcore shitshow so irritating. Both sides are engaging in a factless Kremlin-propaganda-style shitposting contest.

Two companies registered in the same country seems to be the basis for this "link".

https://scamworldcore.com/en/benson-union-is-old-pyramid-of-pavel-krymov-and-predecessor-of-worldcore/


The whole website is archived here: https://web.archive.org/web/20130423232807/https://bensonunion.net/contact_us



No legal entity was given on the website but also it doesn't indicate it even has an office in NZ.

I asked for the alleged link to that company. The evidence that ties it to worldcore. The screenshot is of the FMA warning that it is a scam.