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Don't mind Contagion. He's delusional and claims to be a Big Deal hacker who built the internet, and now he spends his time sniveling about as a shill for big telecoms. See the first thread he referenced above for details on both.
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Have We Already Lost The Battle For Net Neutrality? (Op Ed)

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/tom-wheeler-fcc-net-neutrality,28111.html

<< We've been hopeful for a long time, but that time may be coming to an end. >>
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do you really think you can convince anyone on the internet that their opinion is wrong?

Now you speak truth.

You childish fools are bickering about whose dick is a millimeter. You will have bigger problems than that to deal with as the outcome of your socialist politics and illogic starts to take effect in the coming global economic collapse.

Nothing you can say now will change the fact that this debate doesn't end until we see what predicament you fools are in about 3 - 4 years from now (we may get some early indication 2 years from now if you are in Europe or Japan).
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My Name Was Taken: stop feeding the troll. Try to find something more productive to do with your time. You've made your point, do you really think you can convince anyone on the internet that their opinion is wrong? Be smarter than that.
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Are you sure you want to get into an abstract semantic debate with me given I am programmer who makes my living programming in higher level semantics?

Please stop wasting my time. I am busy programming for profit and don't have time for your ignorant bliss.


Bahahaha! Don't argue with ME, I'm a super important programmer so I can't be wrong about anything ever.

Fucking hilarious!

Yes that is the way it works. I am correct, you are incorrect.

My favorite Mozilla kafkaesque, security theatre fuck-up for the ages. I warned there and exactly what I warned happened. And so he eventually closed the bug to further comments after receiving 100 complaints over the next two years as I warned him.

Remember I was telling everyone in 2013 that Tor was not anonymous because of timing analysis due to being a low latency network and Sybil attacks on the relay nodes by national security agencies. And everyone thought I was crazy. And now we see new research that says 81% of the users can be identified. Sigh.

You fuckers lost the logic debate so now you predictably resort to ad hominem trolling. And you can't even do that convincingly. I doubt you could even find your way out of a wet brown paper bag. Typical socialist idiots with 10 thumbs.

Cull fuckers! Cull yourselves!

Hahaha, you're so pathetic. You were the one that started with all the name calling because your arguments are so weak you have to make up for it by posturing so hard with your big postin internet dick. In typical fashion for people like you, your posts are light on substance but heavy on attacks. Maybe if you say "fucking socialists" enough, it might distract people from how wrong your "facts" are and your complete ignorance of how Net Neutrality works. Go shill for Big Media somewhere else. You're so obvious. Make sure in your next response, you use more bluster and name calling and try to claim victory a little more; I think there might still be some people who don't know how far up your ass your head is. Oh, and then post the identical thing in all three of the threads on this topic now so you can prove to everyone how important you think your opinion is that you need to spam other threads in an attempt to make a point. Or maybe you just really need the attention because your life is so sad, I don't know. But in any event, make sure you mention what a great programmer you are too. People need to know. It gives your opinions super credibility.  Cheesy
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Are you sure you want to get into an abstract semantic debate with me given I am programmer who makes my living programming in higher level semantics?

Please stop wasting my time. I am busy programming for profit and don't have time for your ignorant bliss.


Bahahaha! Don't argue with ME, I'm a super important programmer so I can't be wrong about anything ever.

Fucking hilarious!

Yes that is the way it works. I am correct, you are incorrect.

My favorite Mozilla kafkaesque, security theatre fuck-up for the ages. I warned there and exactly what I warned happened. And so he eventually closed the bug to further comments after receiving 100 complaints over the next two years as I warned him.

Remember I was telling everyone in 2013 that Tor was not anonymous because of timing analysis due to being a low latency network and Sybil attacks on the relay nodes by national security agencies. And everyone thought I was crazy. And now we see new research that says 81% of the users can be identified. Sigh.

You fuckers lost the logic debate so now you predictably resort to ad hominem trolling. And you can't even do that convincingly. I doubt you could even find your way out of a wet brown paper bag. Typical socialist idiots with 10 thumbs.

Cull fuckers! Cull yourselves!
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Are you sure you want to get into an abstract semantic debate with me given I am programmer who makes my living programming in higher level semantics?

Please stop wasting my time. I am busy programming for profit and don't have time for your ignorant bliss.


Bahahaha! Don't argue with ME, I'm a super important programmer so I can't be wrong about anything ever.

Fucking hilarious!
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^ it's the second thread I see where you posted this. Wasn't once enough? xD
Also calling every socialist retarded without knowing what socialism is, is probably not a good idea lol.

That's one thing which Americans do all the time which particularly irritates me, they clearly don't know what socialism is.

Europeans apparently don't have a clue since they will repeat their megadeath from the 1940s again in the next decade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Socialism in its generative essence is any system where the government is a very large percentage of the GDP, because implicitly it is in control of the economy and directing the redistribution of resources not for free market profit but for the "benefit of the society".

Europe precisely falls into this most generalized essence of socialism. As well you can factor in the Universal Health Care (not for profit but for social benefit), the strong political power of the debilitating unions, the government bailouts for example for Peugot, banks, etc..

Please stop wasting my time. I am busy programming for profit and don't have time for your ignorant bliss.
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^ it's the second thread I see where you posted this. Wasn't once enough? xD
Also calling every socialist retarded without knowing what socialism is, is probably not a good idea lol.

That's one thing which Americans do all the time which particularly irritates me, they clearly don't know what socialism is.
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^ it's the second thread I see where you posted this. Wasn't once enough? xD

I guess it didn't register in the pea you call your brain that some lazyfart created a duplicate thread on the same issue, and I want my point to be seen by any one who reads only one of the two duplicate threads.

...without knowing what socialism is, is probably not a good idea lol.

You are too retarded to explain your position so I can rip your illogic to shreds. Are you sure you want to get into an abstract semantic debate with me given I am programmer who makes my living programming in higher level semantics?
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^ it's the second thread I see where you posted this. Wasn't once enough? xD
Also calling every socialist retarded without knowing what socialism is, is probably not a good idea lol.
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Cross-posting from other thread...

I trust my government a million times more than I trust my ISP. That is the bottom line for me.  

The point you are missing is that in a free market, you don’t need to trust your ISP as competition will provide you with options.

What you don’t believe or fail to understand is that regulatory capture of your government is precisely what stifles competition. This is what the quote from Eric S. Raymond about “asymmetric power” means.

So yes the monopolistic telcos are on their knees praying that you will trust the government more than the free market, because the more power you give to the government to regulate, the stronger their monopolies will become.

This has been proven over and over to always be the outcome in all of recorded human history. The mathematical reason was explained by Mancur Olson’s book, The Logic of Collective Action.

I don’t expect you to be able to wrap your mind around this, because the reason socialists are socialists is because they don’t have the IQ to reason rationally at this high level.

And evolution is at work (over and over throughout recorded human history since Mesopotamia) to cull the population of the low IQ fools (via the war, eugenics, genocide, rationing, and totalitarian megadeath that results from peaking socialism when it runs out of other people's resources to steal, ahem redistribute) so the human race can get smarter and advance knowledge. So sorry for you, you haven’t been able to grasp how to survive.
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What's it like to be retarded?

I don't know. I'll ask your mom for you though, douchebag.
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Has anyone else noticed this moron is claiming his testicles are radioactive and have a half-life of .89 milliseconds?

At least he won't reproduce.
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The real plot is to maintain control with rationing when the $227 trillion global total debt comes crashing down. This is precisely what happened to Nazi Germany with their Universal Health Care system which they could no longer afford so they just started killing the population to reduce costs.

Final Goal of the Surveillance State

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What happens when all nations are blanketed from stem to stern with surveillance?

Public utilities, acting on government orders, will be able to allot electricity in amounts and at times it wishes to. This is leading to an overarching plan for energy distribution to the entire population.

Claiming shortages and limited options, governments will essentially be redistributing wealth, in the form of energy, under a collectivist model.

National health insurance plans (such as Obamacare) offer another clue. Such plans have no logistical chance of operating unless every citizen is assigned a medical ID package, which is a de facto identity card. In the medical arena, this means cradle-to-grave tracking.

Surveillance inevitably leads to: placing every individual under systems of control. It isn’t just “we’re watching you” or “we’re stamping out dissent.” It’s “we’re directing your participation in life.”

As a security analyst in the private sector once told me, “When you can see what every employee is doing, when you have it all at your fingertips, you naturally move on to thinking about how you can control those patterns and flows of movement and activity. It’s irresistible. You look at your employees as pieces on a board. The only question is, what game do you want to play with them?”

Every such apparatus is ruled, from the top, by Central Planners. When it’s an entire nation, upper-echelon technocrats revel in the idea of blueprinting, mapping, charting, and regulating the flows of all goods and services and people, “for the common good.”

Water, food, medicine, land use, transportation—they all become items of a networked system that chooses who gets what and when, and who can travel where, and under what conditions.

This is the wet dream of technocrats. They believe they are saving the world, while playing a fascinating game of multidimensional chess.

As new technologies are discovered and come on line, the planners decide how they will be utilized and for whose benefit.

In order to implement such a far-reaching objective, with minimal resistance from the global population, manufactured crises are unleashed which persuade the masses that the planet is under threat and needs “the wise ones” to rescue it and us.

We watch (and fight in) wars and more wars, each one exacerbated and even invented. We are presented with phony epidemics that are falsely promoted as scourges.

The only response, we are led to believe, is more humane control over the population.

On top of that, we are fed an unending stream of propaganda aimed at convincing us that “the great good for the greatest number” is the only humane and acceptable principle of existence. All prior systems of belief are outmoded. We know better now. We must be good and kind and generous to everyone at all times.

Under this quasi-religious banner, which has great emotional appeal, appears The Plan. Our leaders allocate and withhold on the basis of their greater knowledge. We comply. We willingly comply, because we are enlisted in a universal army of altruistic concern.

This is a classic bait and switch. We are taught to believe that service for the greater good is an unchallengeable goal and credo. And then, later, we find out it has been hijacked to institute more power over us, in every way.

The coordinated and networked surveillance of Earth and its people is fed into algorithms that spit out solutions. This much food will go here; that much water will go there; here there will be medical care; there medical care will be severely rationed. These people will be permitted to travel. Those people will be confined to their cities and towns.

Every essential of life—managed with on-off switches, and the consequences will play out.

An incredibly complex system of interlocking decisions will be hailed as messianic.

Surveillance; planning; control.

. . .

Readers should read the logic in the prior two threads on this "net neutrality" debate:

Obama says FCC should reclassify internet as a utility

Obama's Net Neutrality Statement: What it Really Means

Logic does not matter. Some here are willing to fight for their belief that a more powerful centralized power is good for humans, on a forum dedicated to an amazing fully working decentralized creation...

I will never get that.

Regarding this, it should be noted that I presently hold to anarchist communism and am merely pursuing your own logical consistency.
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The real plot is to maintain control with rationing when the $227 trillion global total debt comes crashing down. This is precisely what happened to Nazi Germany with their Universal Health Care system which they could no longer afford so they reduced costs and generated revenue put the population in work camps (financed by President Bush Sr's father Prescott Bush's Union Bank) and killed them when they got too skeleton-ized from not being fed (no need to spend money on food on this dispensable human resource).

Final Goal of the Surveillance State

Quote
...

What happens when all nations are blanketed from stem to stern with surveillance?

Public utilities, acting on government orders, will be able to allot electricity in amounts and at times it wishes to. This is leading to an overarching plan for energy distribution to the entire population.

Claiming shortages and limited options, governments will essentially be redistributing wealth, in the form of energy, under a collectivist model.

National health insurance plans (such as Obamacare) offer another clue. Such plans have no logistical chance of operating unless every citizen is assigned a medical ID package, which is a de facto identity card. In the medical arena, this means cradle-to-grave tracking.

Surveillance inevitably leads to: placing every individual under systems of control. It isn’t just “we’re watching you” or “we’re stamping out dissent.” It’s “we’re directing your participation in life.”

As a security analyst in the private sector once told me, “When you can see what every employee is doing, when you have it all at your fingertips, you naturally move on to thinking about how you can control those patterns and flows of movement and activity. It’s irresistible. You look at your employees as pieces on a board. The only question is, what game do you want to play with them?”

Every such apparatus is ruled, from the top, by Central Planners. When it’s an entire nation, upper-echelon technocrats revel in the idea of blueprinting, mapping, charting, and regulating the flows of all goods and services and people, “for the common good.”

Water, food, medicine, land use, transportation—they all become items of a networked system that chooses who gets what and when, and who can travel where, and under what conditions.

This is the wet dream of technocrats. They believe they are saving the world, while playing a fascinating game of multidimensional chess.

As new technologies are discovered and come on line, the planners decide how they will be utilized and for whose benefit.

In order to implement such a far-reaching objective, with minimal resistance from the global population, manufactured crises are unleashed which persuade the masses that the planet is under threat and needs “the wise ones” to rescue it and us.

We watch (and fight in) wars and more wars, each one exacerbated and even invented. We are presented with phony epidemics that are falsely promoted as scourges.

The only response, we are led to believe, is more humane control over the population.

On top of that, we are fed an unending stream of propaganda aimed at convincing us that “the great good for the greatest number” is the only humane and acceptable principle of existence. All prior systems of belief are outmoded. We know better now. We must be good and kind and generous to everyone at all times.

Under this quasi-religious banner, which has great emotional appeal, appears The Plan. Our leaders allocate and withhold on the basis of their greater knowledge. We comply. We willingly comply, because we are enlisted in a universal army of altruistic concern.

This is a classic bait and switch. We are taught to believe that service for the greater good is an unchallengeable goal and credo. And then, later, we find out it has been hijacked to institute more power over us, in every way.

The coordinated and networked surveillance of Earth and its people is fed into algorithms that spit out solutions. This much food will go here; that much water will go there; here there will be medical care; there medical care will be severely rationed. These people will be permitted to travel. Those people will be confined to their cities and towns.

Every essential of life—managed with on-off switches, and the consequences will play out.

An incredibly complex system of interlocking decisions will be hailed as messianic.

Surveillance; planning; control.

...
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It shows how far we have sunk. Now people just react based on politics without a clue as to what they are talking about. "oh, he's for it? Them I'm against it!". Roll Eyes

Oh god, you just perfectly summed up the two-party system. Why do you see so many negative attack ads? Because in a two-party system, it's easier to convince you not to vote for someone than it is to vote for someone. So you convince them to vote against your opponent, and you're the only other choice.

It's sort of amusing to me when people say Democracy when its really communism with one other party ^^
Essentially its either A or B so fundamentally it doesn't seem like much of a democracy to me just who you pay more money to in order to get the outcome you want.

Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/democracy
democracy
1  b :  a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
Quote from: Merriam-Webster link=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plutocracy
plutocracy
1  :  government by the wealthy

You write as if plutocracy were republican democracy.

You write as if lobbyists paid very well for influencing politicians' votes do not exist...

Comcast loves 0bama's plan. Does that mean the people voted for Comcast?

More control from government will not make things easier for creatives minds now, especially the ones with ideas but no money. This has been proven over and over again.

. . .

You write as if plutocracy were republican democracy.
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