Obama's Net Neutrality Statement: What it Really Means - page 2.

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Quote from: jaysabi on November 17, 2014, 12:57:30 PM

Quote from: RodeoX on November 17, 2014, 12:38:07 PM

It shows how far we have sunk. Now people just react based on politics without a clue as to what they are talking about. "oh, he's for it? Them I'm against it!". Roll Eyes

Oh god, you just perfectly summed up the two-party system. Why do you see so many negative attack ads? Because in a two-party system, it's easier to convince you not to vote for someone than it is to vote for someone. So you convince them to vote against your opponent, and you're the only other choice.

It's sort of amusing to me when people say Democracy when its really communism with one other party ^^
Essentially its either A or B so fundamentally it doesn't seem like much of a democracy to me just who you pay more money to in order to get the outcome you want.

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It's pretty easy to explain. The US media does a piss poor job of covering international news that doesn't involve the United States. Due to cable television and the for-profit television industry, news broadcasts are centered around more domestic and local issues in order to gain ratings/viewers. It's not about the actual spreading of important information. The news companies here run the same top story until a better one comes along. Recently, that story was ebola. Now, since there's nobody in the US with it, the story is dead and people don't give a shit. There is rarely international news. The few news programs that cover international topics are usually BBC and PBS (public broadcasting). It's a real tragedy, yeah.

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Quote from: stevegreer on November 18, 2014, 07:56:49 AM

Come on man, don't go confusing people with facts now. You know blind supporters don't like facts. Let them mock us all they want with their useless quasi-political debates while our rights get stripped away more and more each day. They mocked Ted Cruz when he compared net neutrality to Obamacare. They said he didn't understand net neutrality. I say he understands it perfectly well. He especially understands the implications of allowing the FCC to call the shots and make the rules (regulate). Hell, even some at the FCC are seeing through the ruse:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/17/fcc-official-warns-obama-backed-net-neutrality-plan-will-bring-backdoor-tax-on/

Oh but wait, that article was posted on Fox News. So all the lefties will mock it too. And of course, the left leaning news outlets will never give that information the light of day on their sites.

FCC is responsible to its government’s public, telecommunications companies are not—they’re responsible to governments.

Who do you trust more to keep collective agents responsible, “the people” or their “more perfect union?”

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I hope the Obama statement not only for imaging, without any evidence in the field, or even just play media alone, so in fact the American people do not feel anything from the Obama administration today, hopefully, all things said by Obama can be proved in middle- society ... Roll Eyes

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Come on man, don't go confusing people with facts now. You know blind supporters don't like facts. Let them mock us all they want with their useless quasi-political debates while our rights get stripped away more and more each day. They mocked Ted Cruz when he compared net neutrality to Obamacare. They said he didn't understand net neutrality. I say he understands it perfectly well. He especially understands the implications of allowing the FCC to call the shots and make the rules (regulate). Hell, even some at the FCC are seeing through the ruse:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/17/fcc-official-warns-obama-backed-net-neutrality-plan-will-bring-backdoor-tax-on/

Oh but wait, that article was posted on Fox News. So all the lefties will mock it too. And of course, the left leaning news outlets will never give that information the light of day on their sites.

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The government wouldn't use regulatory powers to stifle Bitcoin or would they?

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Quote from: RodeoX on November 17, 2014, 12:38:07 PM

It shows how far we have sunk. Now people just react based on politics without a clue as to what they are talking about. "oh, he's for it? Them I'm against it!". Roll Eyes

I don't think very many people really understand what net neutrality means nor the potential consequences of imposing net neutrality rules on ISPs.

IMO this is one example as to when it is good to have lobbyists that can educate the public as to what the effect of net neutrality are from both points of view

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Quote from: RodeoX on November 17, 2014, 11:01:30 AM

Hi guys, fucking communist dumbass here.

It is going to be hilarious to watch you and your fellow comrades here become skeletons of your former selves in the coming Gulags.

You are actually wishing and fighting for that outcome for yourself.

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Quote from: oprahwindfury on November 17, 2014, 07:31:09 AM

The idea of net neutrality has been adopted positively by a good number of EU countries already. The EU parliament have already come out in support of it. Hell, even Brazil has taken a good stance on it (not saying Brazil is a bad country or anything, they are just corrupt as hell). If this is JUST making news then it's really a sad day.

Armstrong commented on that today.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/11/17/governments-are-conspiring-against-people-worldwide/

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Governments Are Conspiring Against People – Worldwide
Posted on November 17, 2014 by Martin Armstrong

A good example of government all ganging up against the people to cling to power is how they all follow each other. These G20 meetings are now serious events because they are all about how to control the people and sustain their power. This is demonstrated by coordination efforts from taxes to now controlling the internet.

I warned that Obama calling the FCC will result in licensing to censor the internet. That’s right, they may even shut this site down in the near future unless I write what they tell me. Sorry, it will be beach-time for me then as far away as I can get.

Illustrating that what Obama has just done is a worldwide conspiracy, we have to look always around the globe to see these movements and shenanigans. The Swiss initiative to start regulating the internet has been unveiled. This is a worldwide effort and those government who have not said anything yet are just hiding behind the curtain. The Swiss will begin with “quality ranking” from TV to internet news sites! Yep – the news on the internet cannot conflict with the newspapers – hello Pravda (means truth). This is a pretend private initiative but their first president is the former member of the state government of Zürich.. It is always government officials who end up in such positions for they are there to rig the game.

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Stifter Association Media Quality Switzerland

The Donors' Association Media Quality Switzerland "wants to build a foundation that rated neutral and fair by building and operating an independent evaluation of the quality of the media institution and created a rating of media Switzerland. Information pertaining to around 50 most far-reaching national press titles, news sites and information formats of electronic media (radio / TV), with respect scientifically analyzed according to a predefined grid on relevant aspects of quality, compared and evaluated.

The rating is therefore an overview of the major titles and sending vessels in the country as well as its quality. There should be a guide and an outside reference for all individuals and institutions that have to do with media. And it is particularly aimed at the media professionals themselves.

Personalities from the media, politics and business as the founder of the Donors' Association

The founding members are four personalities from the media, politics and business. There are Sylvia Egli von Matt, previously Director of the Swiss School of Journalism maz, Andreas Durisch, Managing Partner Dynamics Group AG, Bruno Gehrig, President of the Swiss International Airlines and former Zurich Government Markus Notter. This was recently elected to the Constituent Assembly as the first president. "The quality of the media in our democracy is of fundamental importance. The media quality is reflected directly in the quality of public discourse. Our goal is to bring in 2015 for the first time the necessary data and to present the results of this novel in this form quality ratings of the Swiss information media in the spring of 2016.

Scientific approach

The quality of the media is collected through scientific methods. The analysis and assessment will be at three levels:

The quality of the organizational structures and quality assurance of the media houses.
The reporting quality of the editorial content of the media
The quality perception among key stakeholders and the general population.

Three university institutes involved:

The rating is following institutions created (scientists)

Institute of Applied Media Studies at the ZHAW Winterthur, fög - public research institute and Society / University of Zurich, Department of Communication and Media Research at the University of Fribourg.

First Media Rating in spring 2016

In a next step, the founder club wants to achieve bis50 30 members by the end of the year. In parallel, the Foundation established in Switzerland media quality and the necessary endowment of around 2 million francs to be boosted by paying to fund the project for the time being three years.

The aim is to raise in 2015 for the first time the necessary data and to present the results in the first and only full quality rating by the Swiss information media in spring 2016.

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Quote from: RodeoX on November 17, 2014, 12:38:07 PM

It shows how far we have sunk. Now people just react based on politics without a clue as to what they are talking about. "oh, he's for it? Them I'm against it!". Roll Eyes

Oh god, you just perfectly summed up the two-party system. Why do you see so many negative attack ads? Because in a two-party system, it's easier to convince you not to vote for someone than it is to vote for someone. So you convince them to vote against your opponent, and you're the only other choice. That's how all the democrats and republicans operate. All democrats are evil, or all republicans are evil, and all their ideas are bad, so instead of having constructive dialogue about problems, they just focus on telling you what is wrong with the other side. That exact set of circumstances is what leads a Ted Cruz to say 'Net Neutrality is Obamacare for the internet' without regard to what Net Neutrality is, how it works, or what is best for the internet and the country. Obama is for it? I better do my best to convince everyone how bad it is.

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It shows how far we have sunk. Now people just react based on politics without a clue as to what they are talking about. "oh, he's for it? Them I'm against it!". Roll Eyes

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I like Senator Franken calling out Senator Cruz on his fundamental misunderstanding of how net neutrality works. I'd like to see them have a debate on it. It would probably last about 5 minutes, and Ted Cruz would leave in tears. Looking at the two of them and their statements on this issue, you'd probably misidentify Cruz as the former comedian. What really irks me about Cruz is that he may not even believe the garbage he says. He just wanted a soundbite and an excuse to slam Obama and use the word "Obamacare" again. Cruz will be running for president in 2016, so he needs to establish how anti-Obama he is to get through what will be a crowded field of anti-Obama candidates. It doesn't matter if he has to sell lies to do it, and I mean, what harm can enacting policy based on a little lie cause anyway? Cheesy

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lmao sad thing is there are people who will actually genuinely believe in that sort of thing Tongue

cause 'MERICA!

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Quote from: RodeoX on November 17, 2014, 11:01:30 AM

Hi guys, fucking communist dumbass here. Cheesy

It looks like it's working. Vast numbers of people have been signing petitions and they are making their way into the hands of lawmakers.

http://www.change.org/p/tom-wheeler-save-net-neutrality
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/restore-net-neutrality-directing-fcc-classify-internet-providers-common-carriers/5CWS1M4P
http://cms.fightforthefuture.org/tellfcc/
https://www.aclu.org/secure/FCC_preserve_net_neutrality
http://www.savetheinternet.com/sti-home

Cheers.

Hisssss! You evil socialist pigs who insist on having a free and open internet will bring about the destruction of America! You sure will be sorry when Uncle Sam has his big ole thug jackboots on the neck of your precious little internet and the only internet speed you can afford is a 28k dial up modem! Net neutrality is a conspiracy by Obama to seize control of the world!

(Someone was going to say it, so it might as well have been me, as a joke. Grin

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Hi guys, fucking communist dumbass here. Cheesy

It looks like it's working. Vast numbers of people have been signing petitions and they are making their way into the hands of lawmakers.

http://www.change.org/p/tom-wheeler-save-net-neutrality
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/restore-net-neutrality-directing-fcc-classify-internet-providers-common-carriers/5CWS1M4P
http://cms.fightforthefuture.org/tellfcc/
https://www.aclu.org/secure/FCC_preserve_net_neutrality
http://www.savetheinternet.com/sti-home

Cheers.

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The idea of net neutrality has been adopted positively by a good number of EU countries already. The EU parliament have already come out in support of it. Hell, even Brazil has taken a good stance on it (not saying Brazil is a bad country or anything, they are just corrupt as hell). If this is JUST making news then it's really a sad day.

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Quote from: darkmule on November 16, 2014, 01:00:43 AM

Quote from: MelodyRowell on November 15, 2014, 10:42:39 PM

You are probably right. Or at least it will be much easier for the government to seize domains in the future. From what I have read in news reports, the legal justification that the onion sites were seized were dubious at best

It is already trivial for them to seize domains. It requires little more than them simply ordering the registrar to hand it over. Clearly, this is legally wrong and unconstitutional, since domains are a form of intangible property, but in actual practice, they're doing it on an almost daily basis.

(Seizing .onion pseudo-domains requires actually compromising the system, though.)

This has literally next to nothing to do with net neutrality, though.

Blocking a domain does not block a P2P application such as Bitcoin.

It has everything to do with this proposed plan to regulate the internet as a utility, because as you admitted that in order to actually enforce it they need to be able to identify at the protocol layer, which means they can then technically block stuff like Bitcoin and more specifically they can technically put actual content filters on the internet to block certain speech.

The reason they are attempting to implement this now, is because they want to be able to control what the public can see as they ramp up the GLOBAL POLICE STATE to Orwellian ideals (think Obama's czars).

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Quote from: MelodyRowell on November 15, 2014, 10:42:39 PM

You are probably right. Or at least it will be much easier for the government to seize domains in the future. From what I have read in news reports, the legal justification that the onion sites were seized were dubious at best

It is already trivial for them to seize domains. It requires little more than them simply ordering the registrar to hand it over. Clearly, this is legally wrong and unconstitutional, since domains are a form of intangible property, but in actual practice, they're doing it on an almost daily basis.

(Seizing .onion pseudo-domains requires actually compromising the system, though.)

This has literally next to nothing to do with net neutrality, though.

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Quote from: UnunoctiumTesticles on November 14, 2014, 12:52:04 AM

Those who want Obama's 'net neutrality' bullshit, will end up with this:

http://www.coindesk.com/day-reckoning-dark-markets-hundreds-illicit-domains/

You are probably right. Or at least it will be much easier for the government to seize domains in the future. From what I have read in news reports, the legal justification that the onion sites were seized were dubious at best

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