Topic: Obama's Net Neutrality Statement: What it Really Means - page 3. (Read 7070 times)

There is no such whitelisting nor blacklisting at the BGP routing protocol level (which is decentralized) taking place at this time.

The free market has worked.

Do you even have a point? (of course you don't)

My point stands that as soon as the government gets into regulating the internet, that is when you will see the free market fail and the loss of net neutrality begin. If this point is "nutjob" to you, then you provide evidence that sanity appears insane to the insane or too-retarded-to-be-rational.

I understand your delusional fantasy that "you think" you are an intelligent person.

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When you learn to not be so retarded to claim that megadeath is "right", then I can speak factually that you are not a dolt.

That you still don't understand how embracing the problem as the solution in socialism leads to megadeath, just reinforces my factual statement, "Hey you fucking dumbass dolt".

Do you know what happens (throughout the recorded history of man) to retarded sheep like you as the police state horrifies? Answer: slaughtered by the government or war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...#The_text

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

I know you won't listen. Remember I told you, when you face the outcome. But of course you won't, you will blame your horrible fate on some other fabrication to avoid having to discern the generative essence that I have laid out.

There is one lesson I have learned today. Never argue with an idiot. Nothing good can come from it, because an idiot can not learn. At best, it just wastes my time. At worst, I get dragged into the fabricated blame game psychosis.

Exactly, and I think you pick up an interesting point. I don't think Obama is embracing net neutrality out of principal or because it's the right thing to do, but out of political considerations. Kind of the same way he did with gay marriage: even though it was clear what is right and what his liberal leanings would dictate would be obvious, he waited several years before he started to really talk about it, once it began gaining critical mass with the people. Both times, his actions are cowardly. He's afraid of the political ramifications if he embraces something that might be unpopular, even if they're the right course of actions, so he waits until the widespread public support is apparent, then comes in like a hero.     If you want credit for embracing things because they're the right thing to do, do it before it's obvious the public is with you. Do it because it's right.

Here's a free tip on how to get someone to read your post: Don't start it with "Hey you fucking dumbass dolt."

When you learn how to make a point without being a douche nozzle, come back and have a debate with the adults. As it is, I can't stomach to read past a few words you type because you're the type of person who can't read a response without getting so pissed off everyone isn't bowing down to your 'superior' internet debate skills that you immediately begin with attacks. Welcome to my ignore list. Not a single word you write is worth reading. You're so typical, I sure hope you'll be able to afford the fast lanes when net neutrality fails so you can keep up your crusade, Oh Mighty Keyboard Warrior.  

Obama attaching his name to net neutrality was guaranteed to have this result.  First, I seriously doubt his commitment to the issue, or even understanding of it, and second, it just brings the nutjobs out of the woodwork.

Net neutrality is at its fundamental level simply about treating similar traffic similarly.  The idea of metered access with fees for various types of services and degradation of quality of services based on type of traffic is the problem.  Sort of like if you got charged more for electricity based on some arbitrary criterion, or if you only were ALLOWED to have rationed electricity, unless you were a business partner with the electric company.

Now, you might say there's no real problem with metered access and charging differently and making deals, but remember, if you look at this on the protocol level, to have this kind of differentiation, you need to be able to identify both the source of data and its destination, as well as what kind of data it is, in order to differentiate between types of traffic.

By definition, any kind of anonymous traffic is going to obscure this data, and any non-neutral scheme of access is going to assign that kind of traffic the lowest possible priority.

In other words, either kiss your anonymity goodbye or get used to it being slow as fuck, because ISPs if allowed to do so will either simply drop such traffic on the floor or shunt it off the highway onto an ungraded dirt road.  Only packets that can "show their papers" will get enough bandwidth to be functional, and you can expect service to be deliberately degraded even when the infrastructure is entirely sufficient to carry it, simply to extort more fees out of you.

Needless to say, the protocol-level changes that would make it easy to meter traffic like this would also substantially help the government spy on us even more than it is already doing.

I almost wish Obama had denounced net neutrality as a right-wing scheme of some sort, then the same gibbering wackos currently attacking it would love it.

If you are young and idealistic little socialist fuck, you need to wakeup!

Obama’s Regulation of the Internet – Got a License to Say That? (listen to the audio interview and learn something)

Do you have any clue how sneaky the fox (Obama et al) is?

Obamacare Deliberately Written with 33,000 Pages of Regulations To Hide the Truth

My Lord, #1 cause of collapse is the people are dumb socialists!

It befuddles me how at least 40% of the people think the problem is the solution.

Read several my posts upthread from that one as well... Sigh...

I see no solution except to crash and burn the global economy. Megadeath is always the end game of snowballing Socialism.


Hey you fucking dumbass dolt,

Why do you think Charter has a monopoly in some jurisdictions?

Hint: regulatory capture (where the corporations are in cahoots with the government and the regulation is used to enforce profits for both the corrupt politicians and the oligarchs). Note this corruption is the normal mode of government and can never be prevented, c.f. Some Iron Laws of Political Economics (which will surely exceed your intelligence quotient).

All you are doing is handing the hen house to the fox, you retarded socialist pig.

The internet is actually fostering and pushing competition along quite well because the government hasn't been able to regulate all of it yet.

Here is an example for you of competition in the USA (Red Pocket Mobile with $20 unlimited monthly plan) in an email I just sent one of my family members in the USA. I live in the Philippines (thank God!) with its tiny 10% government share of the GDP (growing rapidly though!) compared to 50 - 75% government share of the GDP in the USA.

Good on you for keying in on the most important point, which I bolded in your comment. Everyone who is against it is spinning this as government regulating the internet. It's more accurate to say that it's government regulating the companies that give you internet access. The government will not be regulating the internet for users any more that it's regulating your phone calls. The regulations apply to the companies that supply your phone calls. The reclassification for ISPs would essentially do to them what the government already does to phone companies. Curiously enough, you don't hear people complaining about how unfree and terrible the phone system is, but they make those arguments for the internet because they don't actually understand how it works now, how it will work if nothing is done, and how it will work if the FCC reclassifies ISPs. Anyone claiming the government is going to ruin the internet by regulating it is spreading FUD, either intentionally because they hate Obama or unintentionally because they just don't understand what is actually happening. I'd say that education is key, but reading some of these posts, it's becoming more and more clear people don't care about the situation, they're just looking for a reason to hate Obama. Not that he doesn't deserve it, just not for this.

That's great that you posted a link to the most unreliable source of information on the internet to try to argue your point. However, even with that nice long page about what net-neutrality is SUPPOSED to be, I am referring to the fact that our dear leader Obama wants to use the term "net-neutrality" to justify, in his own words, treating the internet as a "utility." That to me simply screams regulation. And any time the government regulates something, it is for the best interest of the government, not the people.

You are apparently too retarded to understand that "net neutrality" existed as a natural result of the free market and Obama is preaching that we need government to sustain or implement (regulate) the concept, which is a fucking lie and how they will actually destroy the concept.

Those who are bitching about not having net access in their communities are either wanting some subsidy from the government to drive service to their uneconomic rural location or their community is already suffering from lack of competition due to over regulation and regulatory capture by the vested interests. The free market did not fail to provide "net neutrality". Adding more government regulation only makes it worse!

You pontificate about shit which you don't know about, because ... well let the progenitor of the term "open source" explain it to you:

Those who can’t build, talk


I am an expert and highly accomplished programmer, so I don't need you to protect my digital rights, because I protect them with my own code. The protections have never come from the government—they (and you complicit socialists) only steal and destroy. The protections have always come from technological innovations, of which I am working now on making the government intervention impotent.

Get off my fucking lawn.

Don't be so mad comrade. You need us commies, apparently we are the last defenders of your digital rights. Come now, ve drink some wadka.  

If you think Obama somehow invented the concept, you're literally too fucking retarded to talk to.  If you think he gives a shit about it, you're even more retarded.

Those who want Obama's 'net neutrality' bullshit, will end up with this:

http://www.coindesk.com/day-reckoning-dark-markets-hundreds-illicit-domains/



Bullshit! You don't have a fucking clue.


Get off my lawn kiddie. I was coding the world's first WYSIWYG full featured, commercial graphical word processor (Neocept's Word Up) in the mid-1980s.

There was never an overlord requiring net neutrality. The interoperability of the net exists because it is in every providers incentive to join the larger scale of the homogeneous internet. The internet killed America Online's proprietary walled garden model without any fucking regulation you clueless wannabe. The internet continues to power past walled garden promulgators such as Apple Computer.

What this political bullshit "Net Neutrality" means is telling you that we need regulation to accomplish what the free market has already done. And this is a political lie used to sucker you into getting exactly opposite of what the free market has been providing you.

You fucking Communists and Socialists are God Damn fucking plague on this earth.

Be Gone!


Correct.

Nope. In fear of getting a headache from reading your annoying, pointless posts.

your compression rate is excellent.  in fear of throttling  ? or for speedier encryption  .

Maybe not, but he is the tool being used to fuck us.

This Chinese bot just blew my god damn mind. Obama hasn't taken our guns and lots of people are still smoking weed in their state without going to prison. Of course there is an outlier here and there. But for the most part I don't think Obama specifically is out to fuck us.

Do you really need that many emotiocons to get your point across? No offence but that's the most obnoxious paragraph I've ever seen in my life.

Net neutrality is how the Internet functioned long before you ever even heard of it, and probably while you were still shitting your diapers.  It was essentially built into the protocols at the base level.  You really have no clue what you're talking about.

Like anything Obama says at this point (and arguably since before he was elected), his statement is meaningless noise.

For one thing, he can't do anything more than regulate at this point, and that only for two years. 

For another, while spouting net neutrality on one side of his mouth, he's cutting international trade "deals" that will gut it out of the other.

I'm not impressed.  He had his chance to do something on the issue, and like every other issue, fucking blew it.

I don't know where you are getting your information. Net-neutrality is exactly the opposite of what you are saying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality