Topic: Occupy Wall Street and BTC Prices (Read 3069 times)

Also, conservative blowhards with their hands out (oil subsidies, etc) are far worse.

Liberal blowhards do exist, and do go to occupy. They are people who do things like take out government loans to attend artschool (and not cheap artschool) while wanting all debts in the united states forgiven. And yes these are people who know the degree won't help them get a job later. However, they have never bothered to find out how much private debt exists in the US. I would not say all liberals are blowhards though. I would also not say all of those people who seem like blowhards at first sight are actually closed minded.

And now a flashback from 1983!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLiai4gg_0Q

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(making_excuses)

Fuck you and your myopic fantasy world where liberals are greedy parasites.  Wait a second, that sounds like the GOP... I think you're just projecting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

That's the same stat that jumped out at me - really?!?  Admittedly, this is from 2003 and 2005, but still - 18% with Internet access at home?  If you were growing up in a house without Internet access, you'd likely be at a huge disadvantage to your Internet-enabled peers.  No Wikipedia for most poor children!

Oh, and televisions are basically free here in the US, $10 at any thrift store, and great entertainment compared to staring at a wall if you don't have Internet access.

The last graph in this series says it all: wages as a percentage of the economy is at an all-time low in the US:

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10?op=1

^ Truth. At least half assed statists contend with and accept the role of the box which we've all grown up in. The half baked libertarians are more theoretical and detached from reality, and desperately motivated to convert others with some questionable theories and systems of belief.

Thank you for being you, bitcoinbitcoin113. <3

-Jon

Half-assed libertarianism is worse than half-assed statism. I'm not yet sure about full-assed though.

I said 'probably' because I don't know the details on that level but it was his normal mode of operation.  Most Alaskans knew all about it.  The funny thing was that they were somewhat mystified that corruption in this way was even considered wrong.  I've spent a fair amount of time up there over the years and it is one of the reasons why the Libertarian ideology leave a foul aftertaste in my mouth.

This is quite the coincidence!  I was just reading an article in the NYT about the departed Stevens and the questionable prosecution against him.  That's nice you are being fair with him in regards to the bridge to nowhere but then not so nice to undercut that sentiment by being unfair about "kickbacks".
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/22/us/politics/no-charges-recommended-against-prosecutors-in-ted-stevens-case.html?_r=2&src=twr

But none of these false claims really make any difference as Stevens is dead and no one cares about Gore any more.

It's not about what they own, it is about what they owe.

-You can get a cell phone for free (I got mine and they GAVE me 100$ with it), but you got this nice little contract after that..
-You can get a new car easily, with banks offering loans, company offering credit for it.
-Same thing with home furnitures. There's a shop around here who offer new furnitures with "nothing to pay in the first 12 months!".
-You can easily buy a 300$ TV with the Future Ship credit card where you pay nothing for the first 6 months.

Problem is, people have no financial knowledge. I've never been educated to that in school, even at university, it was almost barely teached. I've learned all by myself, thanks to the internetsz!

You don't borrow for something who lose value. The only things you can borrow for are:
-A house
-A business
-An education

And sadly, housing and education doesn't seem to even worth it. The 2008 crash was caused by poor housing management while universities produce students financially crippled.

Events like OWS occur when the average citizen is equally fucked as the low-quality citizen. If somebody decide to go to school, study something relevant (like Marketing), get his diploma and find his situation similar or worse than his lazy weed smoking neighbor, if that happens regularly to many good citizens of the state, you get OWS.

Ah yes, that old chestnut.

I actually looked that up when it was current many many years ago.  Gore clearly said that he was instrumental as a legislator in getting funding for the organizations involved in developing the Internet, but he choked on words very slightly.  This was actually quite true, and his legislative activities in this area were out in front of his peers and quite visionary.  People run with that basically non-issue to this day.

In the interest of fairness, Steven's 'bridge to nowhere' is pretty similar.  It is a bridge to Ketchican's airport which is the only fucking way to get into and out of that hell-hole much of the time (I've been there on a number of occasions.)  A big difference is that Stevens probably was tanking up on kickbacks whereas Gore was probably not (in the 'internet' case at least.)

Oh you're a 1990s liberal. That's entirely different. Thanks for the internets!

Us liberals are already here. Remember we built the Internet, with the help of Al Gore. 

Oh, silly me. I should have read everything. Thanks for clarifying.

It is very old statistics...  7 years ago most people didnt need internet...

Look closely and you will realize that "own" is a politician-defined word. For example, could someone really be said to own their home if they are still paying off a mortgage?

Just a side note, I think an Android phone increases productivity. Access to information is important. There are people who don't need it, but many do, and I wouldn't condemn them for putting one on their "needs" list. The pricing is very reasonable these days, so amortization is fast. My favorite smartphone is still the Nexus One, these are available used on Ebay for less than 140€.

When buying massively expensive contracts and phones to get computing power and bandwidth for gaming, I agree priorities are off. But that's not what Android was about originally.

You think they don't have smartphones?  LOLZ.  These are hipsters not hippies. 

18% internet access? Oh wow, okay, that's really bad.

But 73% has a.. car? I don't have a car! 97% television? Priorities? More people have TWO televisions than have a PC?

Okay, I admit I am astonished by this graph. I knew it was bad, but I didn't know it was that bad.


@bittenbob:

I generally agree, the schools I was in mostly wasted my time. I sometimes do coaching in math and physics, and often shake my head at how badly students are taught at school. However, I want to firmly defend the faculties of physics I've seen so far. Even though I was with them half-heartedly at most times and got a few bad grades in return, it was an awakening compared to what I'd seen before. They require of their students to think on different approaches, to be precise, efficient, and also to judge their own statements. Sure, it's still far from perfection. But the graduates I know perform very well on a vast variety of mental tasks, even outside sciences.

The situation about the jobs and bad wages... well, duh, the labor market has been kicked out of equilibrium and nobody fixes it! The correct solution is to go the OPPOSITE direction first: facilitate for companies to create jobs at massive profit margins, then let the market compete for the workers to bring wages back up.

There you have it, a solution to an enormous global problem, and everybody ignores it. Might be due to the bad education.

I have been very frugal and have worked very hard but I have only been marginalized at every opportunity. Hard work has nothing to do with it and who you know has everything to do with it. Companies are under the impression you must have a masters degree in order to do anything (even menial tasks) in companies anymore. I have made 30ik per month PROFT for my company and they still saw it fit to keep my wages on the margins of society claiming the economy. I used to believe hard work and proving yourself meant something but they simply do not.

As for who told me post secondary education would get me somewhere in life where do I start? Teachers, the government, companies, television, news, etc. It is all a big lie and sadly people are getting into massive debt for school that just wont pay off. This is coming from someone who was an executive in student council at my school and worked for my teachers there as well so i have a good view on the inside of the education system. Schools are a business but are propped up by government advertising and the like.

Corporations have sadly bought into it and want you to have a masters degree in order to even do menial tasks. Maybe 10 years ago a bachelors degree meant something but today it will only get you a job at mcdonalds for 100K debt (and Im not talking about arts studies). I am very fed up with this myself and am trying to start a trade because I see now that I can have a much larger impact on society than any corporation will let me have and my pay will be a lot better than if I left it up to the greedy corporations alone.