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legendary
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November 20, 2011, 11:48:07 PM
#25
If those OWS a-holes have android phones, I'll punch them myself.  WTF are they spending money on an android phone if they are worried about paying for s**t they "need." 

I don't own an android phone, and I seem to get along just fine.  Maybe that will help them balance their checkbook...



They even have cars and microwaves, and internet!  Fucking poors.   

And I suppose you would only be happy if they couldnt even afford toilet paper? Doesnt say what kind of car but people need to get places. There are a lot of working poor out there. Also in the US I believe there are cell phones that are specifically subsidized for poor people.

Incidentally I dont own a car (anymore), cell phone, garbage disposal, satellite tv, washing machine or dryer. I guess I must be poor. I sure as heck feel like it though. So much for bettering your life through post secondary education.

Who promised secondary education would better your life?  Hard work and frugal lifestyles lead to success...  Secondary education is only one tool to help open the doors.  You have to get yourself through them.
hero member
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November 20, 2011, 04:31:07 PM
#24
If those OWS a-holes have android phones, I'll punch them myself.  WTF are they spending money on an android phone if they are worried about paying for s**t they "need."  

I don't own an android phone, and I seem to get along just fine.  Maybe that will help them balance their checkbook...



They even have cars and microwaves, and internet!  Fucking poors.  

And I suppose you would only be happy if they couldnt even afford toilet paper? Doesnt say what kind of car but people need to get places. There are a lot of working poor out there. Also in the US I believe there are cell phones that are specifically subsidized for poor people.

Incidentally I dont own a car (anymore), cell phone, garbage disposal, satellite tv, washing machine or dryer. I guess I must be poor. I sure as heck feel like it though. So much for bettering your life through post secondary education.

Hear hear. I blew through $200k in California, then $300k in Korea and now I'm a minimalist. I don't even want to touch a car ever again.
hero member
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November 20, 2011, 04:17:09 PM
#23
If those OWS a-holes have android phones, I'll punch them myself.  WTF are they spending money on an android phone if they are worried about paying for s**t they "need." 

I don't own an android phone, and I seem to get along just fine.  Maybe that will help them balance their checkbook...



They even have cars and microwaves, and internet!  Fucking poors.   

And I suppose you would only be happy if they couldnt even afford toilet paper? Doesnt say what kind of car but people need to get places. There are a lot of working poor out there. Also in the US I believe there are cell phones that are specifically subsidized for poor people.

Incidentally I dont own a car (anymore), cell phone, garbage disposal, satellite tv, washing machine or dryer. I guess I must be poor. I sure as heck feel like it though. So much for bettering your life through post secondary education.
legendary
Activity: 1652
Merit: 1128
November 20, 2011, 04:12:32 PM
#22
If those OWS a-holes have android phones, I'll punch them myself.  WTF are they spending money on an android phone if they are worried about paying for s**t they "need." 

I don't own an android phone, and I seem to get along just fine.  Maybe that will help them balance their checkbook...



They even have cars and microwaves, and internet!  Fucking poors.   
hero member
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November 20, 2011, 04:10:01 PM
#21
It seems to me that many of the people who are from the OWS movement would be supporters of the BTC movement. Given that so many of them are camping out in various occupy protests around the world I can't help but think that this is affecting current BTC prices through non activity/involvement from them. Just opening the door to a conversation here but I think this may have prices temporarily lower than they should be.

you need a computer, not a tent in central park to be able to use bitcoin...

nah all you need is an android phone Smiley

If those OWS a-holes have android phones, I'll punch them myself.  WTF are they spending money on an android phone if they are worried about paying for s**t they "need." 

I don't own an android phone, and I seem to get along just fine.  Maybe that will help them balance their checkbook...

I dont own a cell phone but an android phone is sure as heck a lot better than an apple phone. Android is based on Linux which is freeware software while apple is extremely propriatary.

Android is much more appropriate than iOS which can also be used.
legendary
Activity: 2114
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November 20, 2011, 04:08:10 PM
#20
It seems to me that many of the people who are from the OWS movement would be supporters of the BTC movement. Given that so many of them are camping out in various occupy protests around the world I can't help but think that this is affecting current BTC prices through non activity/involvement from them. Just opening the door to a conversation here but I think this may have prices temporarily lower than they should be.

you need a computer, not a tent in central park to be able to use bitcoin...

nah all you need is an android phone Smiley

If those OWS a-holes have android phones, I'll punch them myself.  WTF are they spending money on an android phone if they are worried about paying for s**t they "need." 

I don't own an android phone, and I seem to get along just fine.  Maybe that will help them balance their checkbook...
legendary
Activity: 1652
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November 20, 2011, 04:05:20 PM
#19
The obvious solution here is to print the blockchain and hand it out to everybody.   People can write their own changes in and everyone will get together and sync them up at the end of the night. 
hero member
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November 20, 2011, 03:56:08 PM
#18
It seems to me that many of the people who are from the OWS movement would be supporters of the BTC movement. Given that so many of them are camping out in various occupy protests around the world I can't help but think that this is affecting current BTC prices through non activity/involvement from them. Just opening the door to a conversation here but I think this may have prices temporarily lower than they should be.

you need a computer, not a tent in central park to be able to use bitcoin...

nah all you need is an android phone Smiley

All you really need is a photographic memory and a glance of your wallet private key.
legendary
Activity: 1792
Merit: 1047
November 20, 2011, 03:51:21 PM
#17
It seems to me that many of the people who are from the OWS movement would be supporters of the BTC movement. Given that so many of them are camping out in various occupy protests around the world I can't help but think that this is affecting current BTC prices through non activity/involvement from them. Just opening the door to a conversation here but I think this may have prices temporarily lower than they should be.

you need a computer, not a tent in central park to be able to use bitcoin...

nah all you need is an android phone Smiley
legendary
Activity: 2114
Merit: 1031
November 20, 2011, 02:19:03 PM
#16
It seems to me that many of the people who are from the OWS movement would be supporters of the BTC movement. Given that so many of them are camping out in various occupy protests around the world I can't help but think that this is affecting current BTC prices through non activity/involvement from them. Just opening the door to a conversation here but I think this may have prices temporarily lower than they should be.

you need a computer, not a tent in central park to be able to use bitcoin...
hero member
Activity: 938
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November 20, 2011, 10:45:13 AM
#15
Actually all we need is social mobility - everyone has a fair chance to get wealth through competition. All kinds of economic regulation, taxes, etc are plainly adding friction to the society. Economic growth is pretty much an excuse for degrading society today.

Perfectly put, thanks.

Liberals, by the very meaning of the word, endorse freedom. One cannot be a liberal and demand others to pay excessive amounts of tax money for some personal agenda, because that would go against the personal freedom of the taxpayers.

In this country, Liberal means "hands out" and lots of freebies. What's your point? You just want to read your own writing?

I think his criticism is spot on. Blackwhite.

Getting back to Bitcoin, I don't think OWS protesters are a suitable audience. I instead suggest that we need to spread the word internationally. Believe it or not, not everyone speaks English fluently, and even the ones that do are not eager to join English-centric online culture (even if there are non-English sections). They would constantly get flamed and trolled anyway. I even think "Bitcoin", being an English name, makes perceiving it as something belonging to all humanity difficult. Besides internationalizing Bitcoin tools, we need separate sites that focus on different cultures. Maybe find a way to internationalize the name "Bitcoin". Anyway, regarding the topic, I don't think, even internationally, die-hard social democrats in general won't find it appealing.
legendary
Activity: 1036
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November 20, 2011, 07:47:26 AM
#14
In this country, Liberal means "hands out" and lots of freebies. What's your point? You just want to read your own writing?

In this country, liberal means pro-market. What's your point, do you want to write exclusively for your country? If even that, I doubt everybody agrees on that kind of meaning.

When there's a collision in terminology, it's a good idea to take a step back for a moment and think about it. Usually, there is a clear answer how a word should be used. Identifying "liberal" with "demanding freebies" is just an English play on words that start with "free".

How can one do a political map if the entire "liberal versus socialist market" axis collapses to "liberal versus liberal market"? This is trying to identify an expression with its opposite. One could place liberals on the socialist side, away from the libertarians, but that does not look right either.
donator
Activity: 392
Merit: 252
November 20, 2011, 06:56:06 AM
#13
I don't really want to dive into this discussion, just state one thing.

(...) liberal blowhards with their hands out.

For any reasonable, internationally used definition of "liberal", this makes no sense. It's like saying "those damn communists always wanting free trade", just the other way around. How can someone who marches onto a stock exchange to hinder trade there possibly be a liberal?

Liberals, by the very meaning of the word, endorse freedom. One cannot be a liberal and demand others to pay excessive amounts of tax money for some personal agenda, because that would go against the personal freedom of the taxpayers.

Sure, it's possible to name a party "liberal" and then just do arbitrary different politics, but if you refer to such people, name them by their party.

In this country, Liberal means "hands out" and lots of freebies. What's your point? You just want to read your own writing?
legendary
Activity: 1036
Merit: 1002
November 20, 2011, 06:44:02 AM
#12
I don't really want to dive into this discussion, just state one thing.

(...) liberal blowhards with their hands out.

For any reasonable, internationally used definition of "liberal", this makes no sense. It's like saying "those damn communists always wanting free trade", just the other way around. How can someone who marches onto a stock exchange to hinder trade there possibly be a liberal?

Liberals, by the very meaning of the word, endorse freedom. One cannot be a liberal and demand others to pay excessive amounts of tax money for some personal agenda, because that would go against the personal freedom of the taxpayers.

Sure, it's possible to name a party "liberal" and then just do arbitrary different politics, but if you refer to such people, name them by their party.
hero member
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November 20, 2011, 02:33:50 AM
#11
hero member
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November 20, 2011, 02:25:42 AM
#10
We don't really need income equality. Some people are lazy and some are hard working. They deserve to be treated differently.

Actually all we need is social mobility - everyone has a fair chance to get wealth through competition. All kinds of economic regulation, taxes, etc are plainly adding friction to the society. Economic growth is pretty much an excuse for degrading society today.

I mostly disagree on the protesters. The real people we should care about are the ones without the opportunity to protest. College graduates who are in the debt trap deserve empathy, but how about the other people who couldn't even go to college? With proper management skills, there should be no problems about the educated groups of people.

I don't feel sad for poor people who blame the rich for making too much money. The real problem is how fast can wealth be redistributed.

I am a college graduate and am getting out of the debt trap. Many of the OWS are too. I still have yet to pay off my student loan but the rest of my debt will be gone soon. The corporations refuse to hire anyone without experience and look for ridiculous requirements that just do not exist in the real world then claim of a skills shortage. I think corporations need to be more realistic with their expectations and reward those who are edcuated better. The OWS are not necessarily protesting for income equality but equal chance in todays world which we are quite a ways off of.

(Edit)

My grandpa who is hardcore conservative used to say that you could either be a bum or a millionaire if you wanted when I was younger but now too agrees that this is not the case in the world we live in. You basically have the choice of being a bum or poor unless you know the right people. Even then if you go to school for many years you still may end up a bum because the opportunities just arent out there and the wealthy elite are hogging all that they can. As I saw on the CBC here the other night, North American corporations have never been more profitable nor hold more relative cash reservese but they are reluctant to spend it. This means no raises, cutting benefits and worsening working conditions. If you do not see it then you are one of the few lucky ones not affected.
I disagree that NA corporations are more profitable than ever; some are doing great, and many are not. Most of the corporations doing well are only doing well by outsourcing to China and India, and that's another can of worms that will come back to bite us in the ass. But I digress....

Here's the problem with college these days: first, kids take out huge loans they cannot hope to repay when they graduate, and then they expect to be hired and paid a reasonable salary. Hey, I graduated in CS, took a job as an entry-level programmer earning $45K, got laid off (quite a while back), and ten years later I'm *still* trying to pay off my student loans -- and I only had about $20K in loans. I know idiots people that took out $100K for a liberal arts education, and it's ludicrous for them to expect to pay it off. Whose fault is it that they decided to go to a school that charges $20K in tuition? Hint: it's not the "system" but rather the entitlement generation.

I'd argue that the problem with the US right now (and much of the first world countries) is that there are too many college graduates that only learned to jump through the hoops necessary for graduation. I've read some studies that show the quality and productivity of an employee has essentially no correlation whatsoever with whether or not they graduated from college, and my experience in the work force backs that up. I've met people that never attended a university at all that are amazing at what they do (in the computer field), and I've met people with masters and doctorate degrees that don't know squat.

Funny thing is I hear people talk about Atlas Shrugged as though it has something to do with OWS. I'd say the fundamentals of Atlas Shrugged (or Ayn Rand's Objectivism) is the exact opposite of what OWS is asking for. Yet another example of how OWS people seem to be clueless about what they're doing. Couple that with the vandalism, trash, etc. they generate with no regard for those around them, and if they were in the world of Atlas Shrugged John Galt would be saying, "Let them rot and die with the system they expect to help them."
donator
Activity: 392
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November 20, 2011, 02:13:17 AM
#9
We don't really need income equality. Some people are lazy and some are hard working. They deserve to be treated differently.

Actually all we need is social mobility - everyone has a fair chance to get wealth through competition. All kinds of economic regulation, taxes, etc are plainly adding friction to the society. Economic growth is pretty much an excuse for degrading society today.

I mostly disagree on the protesters. The real people we should care about are the ones without the opportunity to protest. College graduates who are in the debt trap deserve empathy, but how about the other people who couldn't even go to college? With proper management skills, there should be no problems about the educated groups of people.

I don't feel sad for poor people who blame the rich for making too much money. The real problem is how fast can wealth be redistributed.

hero member
Activity: 560
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November 20, 2011, 02:11:44 AM
#8
We don't really need income equality. Some people are lazy and some are hard working. They deserve to be treated differently.

Actually all we need is social mobility - everyone has a fair chance to get wealth through competition. All kinds of economic regulation, taxes, etc are plainly adding friction to the society. Economic growth is pretty much an excuse for degrading society today.

I mostly disagree on the protesters. The real people we should care about are the ones without the opportunity to protest. College graduates who are in the debt trap deserve empathy, but how about the other people who couldn't even go to college? With proper management skills, there should be no problems about the educated groups of people.

I don't feel sad for poor people who blame the rich for making too much money. The real problem is how fast can wealth be redistributed.

I am a college graduate and am getting out of the debt trap. Many of the OWS are too. I still have yet to pay off my student loan but the rest of my debt will be gone soon. The corporations refuse to hire anyone without experience and look for ridiculous requirements that just do not exist in the real world then claim of a skills shortage. I think corporations need to be more realistic with their expectations and reward those who are edcuated better. The OWS are not necessarily protesting for income equality but equal chance in todays world which we are quite a ways off of.

(Edit)

My grandpa who is hardcore conservative used to say that you could either be a bum or a millionaire if you wanted when I was younger but now too agrees that this is not the case in the world we live in. You basically have the choice of being a bum or poor unless you know the right people. Even then if you go to school for many years you still may end up a bum because the opportunities just arent out there and the wealthy elite are hogging all that they can. As I saw on the CBC here the other night, North American corporations have never been more profitable nor hold more relative cash reservese but they are reluctant to spend it. This means no raises, cutting benefits and worsening working conditions. If you do not see it then you are one of the few lucky ones not affected.
vip
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November 20, 2011, 02:08:58 AM
#7
We don't really need income equality. Some people are lazy and some are hard working. They deserve to be treated differently.

Actually all we need is social mobility - everyone has a fair chance to get wealth through competition. All kinds of economic regulation, taxes, etc are plainly adding friction to the society. Economic growth is pretty much an excuse for degrading society today.

I mostly disagree on the protesters. The real people we should care about are the ones without the opportunity to protest. College graduates who are in the debt trap deserve empathy, but how about the other people who couldn't even go to college? With proper management skills, there should be no problems about the educated groups of people.

I don't feel sad for poor people who blame the rich for making too much money. The real problem is how fast can wealth be redistributed.
legendary
Activity: 4760
Merit: 1283
November 20, 2011, 01:46:29 AM
#6
It seems to me that many of the people who are from the OWS movement would be supporters of the BTC movement. Given that so many of them are camping out in various occupy protests around the world I can't help but think that this is affecting current BTC prices through non activity/involvement from them. Just opening the door to a conversation here but I think this may have prices temporarily lower than they should be.

That's exactly what we need: An inflow of liberal blowhards with their hands out. Sounds awesome.

I'll take an active interest in elaborating on what an interesting, unique, powerful, and potentially game-changing system Bitcoin is.

Also in mentioning the preponderance of shitheads in the community...in case it is not immediately obvious.  When the initial awe of the system wears off it is not hard to understand why this state of affairs exists.

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