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Quote from: eaLiTy on October 27, 2019, 01:57:47 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 27, 2019, 01:15:16 PM

I was mentioning about the statement made by Ben Stokes after the match, in which he was claiming that he had asked the umpire (Kumar Dharmasena) to reverse the overthrow decision. Dharmasena later clarified that Stokes never had such a conversation with him.

Ben Stokes is not new to controversy, he came to the limelight when he was arrested from a night club after a brawl and then the other controversy was when Sun publish the story about his family tragedy which was unfortunate, Ben Stokes is the real start of their world cup campaign and he won many close games for England even in the recent Ashes but Stokes is dragged into these unwanted topics and even i heard this from Stokes and Dharmasena said he did not hear anything from him Cheesy

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It is all old story and will be forgotten in quick time. The cricket fans may not be happy with it, but as per the official records England are the world champions. And the thing to remember here is that New Zealand players never protested against either the rule regarding the number of boundaries or the decision by Dharmasena to award the overthrows. They were not happy, but refrained from protesting, taking in to account the spirit of the game.

For many of the cricket fans (including me) what happened during the final was a sham. I believe that New Zealand were the real champions and not England. But after a while all this will be forgotten and only the records will remain. As per the official records, England are the champions and New Zealand are the runners up. And this is what going to matter in the future.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 27, 2019, 01:15:16 PM

I was mentioning about the statement made by Ben Stokes after the match, in which he was claiming that he had asked the umpire (Kumar Dharmasena) to reverse the overthrow decision. Dharmasena later clarified that Stokes never had such a conversation with him.

Ben Stokes is not new to controversy, he came to the limelight when he was arrested from a night club after a brawl and then the other controversy was when Sun publish the story about his family tragedy which was unfortunate, Ben Stokes is the real start of their world cup campaign and he won many close games for England even in the recent Ashes but Stokes is dragged into these unwanted topics and even i heard this from Stokes and Dharmasena said he did not hear anything from him Cheesy

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 27, 2019, 09:41:21 AM

England would always be regarded as the cheaters. At least they should have kept quiet. Ben Stokes tried some drama by claiming that he asked the umpire to reverse the decision to award 6 runs of the overthrow, and it was rubbished by the umpire himself. And this just proved that the Brits are a bunch of liars.

I did not follow these drama after the match but England won the world cup according to the rules that were present before the tournament and hence you cannot call them cheaters but that was not the best decision or rule you can have for a world cup final, i am not aware whether the rule was there from the beginning or changed at a later part but these rules are accepted by every team before the tournament and not during the match.

No... I wasn't referring to the rules. I wouldn't complain against the rule, as it was in place for quite sometime. I was mentioning about the statement made by Ben Stokes after the match, in which he was claiming that he had asked the umpire (Kumar Dharmasena) to reverse the overthrow decision. Dharmasena later clarified that Stokes never had such a conversation with him.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 27, 2019, 09:41:21 AM

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What is the point in changing the rules, after the damage was done already. For the millions of cricket fans around the world, New Zealand were the real champions. England would always be regarded as the cheaters. At least they should have kept quiet. Ben Stokes tried some drama by claiming that he asked the umpire to reverse the decision to award 6 runs of the overthrow, and it was rubbished by the umpire himself. And this just proved that the Brits are a bunch of liars.

@7788bitcoin has a point that the rules were made before the tournament but it was the dumbest rule set i have seen in cricket, earlier we had similar incident in 1992 world cup when the umpires cut short the game when South Africa need 22 runs from 13 balls against England and after the rain the umpires decided to cut short and asked to score 21 runs in 1 ball Cheesy

, it is said that because of television demands the umpires were forced to come with a decision like that, either way these dumb rules continued in 2019.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 27, 2019, 09:41:21 AM

England would always be regarded as the cheaters. At least they should have kept quiet. Ben Stokes tried some drama by claiming that he asked the umpire to reverse the decision to award 6 runs of the overthrow, and it was rubbished by the umpire himself. And this just proved that the Brits are a bunch of liars.

I did not follow these drama after the match but England won the world cup according to the rules that were present before the tournament and hence you cannot call them cheaters but that was not the best decision or rule you can have for a world cup final, i am not aware whether the rule was there from the beginning or changed at a later part but these rules are accepted by every team before the tournament and not during the match.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 15, 2019, 11:09:39 AM

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I think this is good news, judging a winner by boundary count was never good.

It was a dumb rule to decide the winner by the number of boundaries scored, majority of the people did not had any idea about this rule until the final and if everyone knew about this rule before the tournament the ICC could have got some criticism and no one expected a final to be a tie even in the super overs and now the decision to repeat the super over until you see a decisive winner is a fair rule.

What is the point in changing the rules, after the damage was done already. For the millions of cricket fans around the world, New Zealand were the real champions. England would always be regarded as the cheaters. At least they should have kept quiet. Ben Stokes tried some drama by claiming that he asked the umpire to reverse the decision to award 6 runs of the overthrow, and it was rubbished by the umpire himself. And this just proved that the Brits are a bunch of liars.

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Quote from: akhjob on October 15, 2019, 09:02:07 AM

I think this is good news, judging a winner by boundary count was never good.

It was a dumb rule to decide the winner by the number of boundaries scored, majority of the people did not had any idea about this rule until the final and if everyone knew about this rule before the tournament the ICC could have got some criticism and no one expected a final to be a tie even in the super overs and now the decision to repeat the super over until you see a decisive winner is a fair rule.

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Boundary count scrapped as tie-breaker in ICC events

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"In Semi-finals and Finals, there is one change to the Super Over regulation in keeping with the basic principle of scoring more runs than the opponent to win, the Super Over will be repeated until one team has more runs than the other," the ICC stated in a release on Monday (October 14).

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"Following on from a recommendation from the ICC Cricket Committee, the Chief Executives' Committee agreed that the use of the Super Over as a way to decide results at ICC events will be retained. Both the Cricket Committee and CEC agreed it was an exciting and engaging conclusion to the game and will remain in place covering all games at both ODI and T20I World Cups," the release further added.

^ I think this is good news, judging a winner by boundary count was never good.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 09, 2019, 08:40:44 AM

LOL.. I am from India and I am female. And to be honest, I have never heard about her and I have never watched any of her matches. I tried watching the women's matches a few times. But I got bored after 5-10 minutes and I switched to the men's game. It is surprising that you guys care about the women's game. Perhaps I should try watching their matches regularly.

I have not watch an entire match but have seen highlights but i have heard about Mithali Raj as she is competing for a very long time and was the Indian women's captain for a long period and has scored runs but in India only Men's cricket is famous and you cannot find audience for Women's game, but what surprised me is that you are a female who is in the bitcoin market for a long time Wink

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 15, 2019, 01:56:13 AM

^^ Sithara : Recent performance in Women World cup changed the situation and Now good amount of Girls started follow Women cricket along with many dudes.

Not surprising news, it was expected after WC Final blunder.

After World Cup furore, ICC scraps boundary count rule

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The contentious boundary count rule that resulted in England winning the 2019 World Cup despite the final against New Zealand ending in a tie has been scrapped by the International Cricket Council (ICC) and will no longer be used at future ICC events.

The ICC’s Chief Executive Committee on Monday however agreed that the use of a Super Over as a way to decide results at ICC events will be retained. “Both the Cricket Committee and CEC agreed it was an exciting and engaging conclusion to the game and will remain in place covering all games at both ODI and T20I World Cups,” an ICC release said.

“In group stages, if the Super Over is tied, the match will be tied. In Semi Finals and Finals, there is one change to the Super Over regulation in keeping with the basic principle of scoring more runs than the opponent to win, the Super Over will be repeated until one team has more runs than the other.”

In the 2019 World Cup final, widely rated since as the greatest to have ever decided the tournament in its history, England managed to tie the target of 242 that was set for them by New Zealand. The Super Over also ended in a tie but England’s tally of 22 boundaries against New Zealand’s 17 throughout the tournament helped the hosts win the title for the first time in its history.

@JSRAW this is an excellent decision taken by ICC though this rule should have been scrapped off way earlier, and it makes me wonder if this rule didn’t exist in the World Cup match could there have been a different winner?. Another interesting rule regarding the super over especially for the semi finals, and finals now we will get to see a clear winner even if the super over is tied. This rule will play a big role during next years T20 World Cup, no more tied semi finals and finals which shall benefit fans who’re watching the game right from the start.

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^^ Sithara : Recent performance in Women World cup changed the situation and Now good amount of Girls started follow Women cricket along with many dudes.

Not surprising news, it was expected after WC Final blunder.

After World Cup furore, ICC scraps boundary count rule

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The contentious boundary count rule that resulted in England winning the 2019 World Cup despite the final against New Zealand ending in a tie has been scrapped by the International Cricket Council (ICC) and will no longer be used at future ICC events.

The ICC’s Chief Executive Committee on Monday however agreed that the use of a Super Over as a way to decide results at ICC events will be retained. “Both the Cricket Committee and CEC agreed it was an exciting and engaging conclusion to the game and will remain in place covering all games at both ODI and T20I World Cups,” an ICC release said.

“In group stages, if the Super Over is tied, the match will be tied. In Semi Finals and Finals, there is one change to the Super Over regulation in keeping with the basic principle of scoring more runs than the opponent to win, the Super Over will be repeated until one team has more runs than the other.”

In the 2019 World Cup final, widely rated since as the greatest to have ever decided the tournament in its history, England managed to tie the target of 242 that was set for them by New Zealand. The Super Over also ended in a tie but England’s tally of 22 boundaries against New Zealand’s 17 throughout the tournament helped the hosts win the title for the first time in its history.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 09, 2019, 06:07:08 AM

My best wishes for this girl. She must be a legend in India?

LOL.. I am from India and I am female. And to be honest, I have never heard about her and I have never watched any of her matches. I tried watching the women's matches a few times. But I got bored after 5-10 minutes and I switched to the men's game. It is surprising that you guys care about the women's game. Perhaps I should try watching their matches regularly.

One thing I would like to say about the women's game in India. A lot of women do watch cricket here, and I am also one of those die-hard cricket fans. But very few of us play cricket regularly. The last time I played cricket was two decades back, when I was in primary school. IMO, cricket is more like a sport that people enjoy watching, rather than playing.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 09, 2019, 06:07:08 AM

Well these are some impressive achievement for Australian Nation. ?I hope the girls keep going and break the record set by the boys.

I think they are going to surpass Men's record soon, they are unstoppable right now.

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My best wishes for this girl. She must be a legend in India?

People used to call her (Lady Tendulkar) and Yeah she is Legend. she used to be only famous face in Indian Women Cricket, but now most of the girls who are part of the Indian team are well known to the crowd.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 09, 2019, 06:02:26 AM

Couple of news from Women ODI

World record!
Austraila Women team sets a new World Record of 18 consecutive wins in ODI, previous record was 17 ODI wins, Which also belonged to Australia. In Men's ODI longest winning streak is 21, Again its belongs to Australia.

Well these are some impressive achievement for Australian Nation. ?I hope the girls keep going and break the record set by the boys.

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Mithali Raj First Woman to Complete 20 Years in ODI Cricket
She started playing for India when she was 16 yo and scored a ton on a very first game, she's also the only Women Cricketer who played the 200 ODI. When talking about Men cricket. there are only 3 players who played the game for 20 years.

S. Tendulkar : 22 years and 91 days
S. Jayasuriya: 21 years and 184 days
J. Miandad : 20 years and 272 days

My best wishes for this girl. She must be a legend in India?

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Couple of news from Women ODI

World record!
Austraila Women team sets a new World Record of 18 consecutive wins in ODI, previous record was 17 ODI wins, Which also belonged to Australia. In Men's ODI longest winning streak is 21, Again its belongs to Australia.

Mithali Raj First Woman to Complete 20 Years in ODI Cricket
She started playing for India when she was 16 yo and scored a ton on a very first game, she's also the only Women Cricketer who played the 200 ODI. When talking about Men cricket. there are only 3 players who played the game for 20 years.

S. Tendulkar : 22 years and 91 days
S. Jayasuriya: 21 years and 184 days
J. Miandad : 20 years and 272 days

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 05, 2019, 01:31:27 AM

So it is not entirely accurate if you say that the team sent by Sri Lanka Cricket (SLC) is a B side. I would put it like this - they sent their regular side, in which a few players were missing.

Pakistan is a top team when it comes to T20 rankings and the Sri Lankan is not that great in the shorter version of the game. Even if none of the players are missing they are not going to win easily against Pakistan inside their home soil. Now the ODI series is over lets talk about today's match.
Pakistan won the toss and elected to field and Sri Lanka is batting well, Pakistan likes to chase any targets against the Sri Lankan bowling line up.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 04, 2019, 01:25:37 PM

Leave the game, experience wise Pakistan team is far superior than this Srilankan team and we cannot even say that both of them are equal on paper.
Pakistan has world class bowlers and batsmen in their team. Name any player from srilanka whom who is popular ? None, because this is Srilanka B team.

Well.... this is interesting. After reading your post, I checked the stats of all the Sri Lankan players who took part in the 3rd ODI. Majority of the players (6 out of 11) had previously represented Sri Lanka in the test format and even more had ODI experience. And the playing XI consisted of players such as Lahiru Thirimanne (35 tests, 127 ODIs) and Nuwan Pradeep (28 tests and 42 ODIs). So it is not entirely accurate if you say that the team sent by Sri Lanka Cricket (SLC) is a B side. I would put it like this - they sent their regular side, in which a few players were missing.

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The odds are tempting as the T20 matches can be closely contested but Pakistan has more experienced players and they are playing with their best players while Srilanka is not coming into the series with their best one. Even if the Srilanka best eleven play these series i doubt they will defeat Pakistan in their home series.

From what we have seen so far in the series, I would say that the gap between the two teams is not as large as many of us would have feared. The third ODI confirmed this. It was a very closely contested match, and the Sri Lankans had their chances. If they had a bit of luck, then they could have pulled it through. Still, it is an encouraging sign for them, going forward to the T20 series.

Pakistan players are a formidable force when playing at home, but their flaws were definitely exposed in the last match which will boost Srilankan player’s confidence going ahead in T20 series. However I don’t expect Srilankan team to cause an upset because they’re inexperienced, and had they been playing at full strength then I would have placed small bets on them to cause an upset.

Current Sri Lankan team cannot do any upset as we watch in 2 ODI's in third ODI we watch some hype because they want some entertaining cricket and we have now in Twenty/20 we will have some different planing from both sides but still I believe these could be not going in favor of Sri Lanka.

ODI are differnet than T20. The underdog teams can perform well or can upset the big teams in 20 - 20 format. On a given day, Srilanka can perform better and outclass the Pakistani team. I think we are heading for a good competition among these two teams.

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