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Quote from: JSRAW on October 29, 2019, 07:38:40 AM

Looks political witch hunt to me, we are suppose to believe that after 2 years suddenly ICC woke up and got their shit together. Timing is fucked up here without any doubt and as far as i understand he denied the Bookie's offer. 6-18 months sounds harsh as well - for not reporting-

Probably, but Shakib is not as innocent as you guys make him out to be. As I mentioned earlier, both are at fault here. He is definitely one of the best Cricket players(Already a legend in my opinion), but he has made a lot of mistakes before and this could probably have been one of them.

I do hope that he bows out of this sport gracefully though somehow despite all these allegations even though this seems highly unlikely at this point. I wonder how the Bangladesh team will recover from these consecutive blows.

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In pre-war era Japan, there was a practise called Seppuku (also known as harakiri). It involved elaborate ritual suicide by disembowelment (usually performed with a sword). During the WW2, a lot of the Japanese soldiers committed ritual suicide, in order to avoid being taken as PoW by the Americans and the other allied soldiers.

I can see that the Bangladesh Cricket Board has revived the practise of harakiri. They have done that on their own national team. Can you imagine a Bangladeshi side without Shakib al Hassan? That guy was the backbone for the Bangladeshis for the last so many years. He was the sole Bangladeshi player who had performed well during the CWC 2019. What to say... Bangladesh will become another Zimbabwe now....

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 29, 2019, 08:16:25 AM

He has been banned from all forms of cricket for the next two years (with one year suspended). He is already 32 years old, and this could possibly mean that his international cricketing career is over for all practical purposes. Staying away from the game for 12 months and then attempting a comeback is not something very easy to do. It looks like he will be looking at other career options in the meantime. BTW, more than Shakib, this is going to have a negative impact on the performance of the Bangladesh team. They badly needed him now.

I think this is more a political issue. Bangladesh team has a brilliant guy and he has been accused of this shit. Since he was leading the strike called by the Bangladeshi players, he has been a victim. I don't know what exactly happened though. If it happened long ago, why this has been brought now right after the strike?
Politics will destroy the sub continental cricket someday. More or less all the subcontinental cricket teams are affected by either internal politics or external.
Bangladesh will have a worst series with us. That's sad.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 29, 2019, 07:38:40 AM

Looks political witch hunt to me, we are suppose to believe that after 2 years suddenly ICC woke up and got their shit together. Timing is fucked up here without any doubt and as far as i understand he denied the Bookie's offer. 6-18 months sounds harsh as well - for not reporting-

If the bookies approached him and Shakib al Hassan did not report them to the authorities when he was approached then he will seriously get into trouble as per the ICC policies and with the cold war between BCB and Shakib al Hassan it is possible they have hidden these things from the ICC in the past but now they will not be holding back and it will have an impact in his career as well.

He has been banned from all forms of cricket for the next two years (with one year suspended). He is already 32 years old, and this could possibly mean that his international cricketing career is over for all practical purposes. Staying away from the game for 12 months and then attempting a comeback is not something very easy to do. It looks like he will be looking at other career options in the meantime. BTW, more than Shakib, this is going to have a negative impact on the performance of the Bangladesh team. They badly needed him now.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 29, 2019, 07:38:40 AM

Looks political witch hunt to me, we are suppose to believe that after 2 years suddenly ICC woke up and got their shit together. Timing is fucked up here without any doubt and as far as i understand he denied the Bookie's offer. 6-18 months sounds harsh as well - for not reporting-

If the bookies approached him and Shakib al Hassan did not report them to the authorities when he was approached then he will seriously get into trouble as per the ICC policies and with the cold war between BCB and Shakib al Hassan it is possible they have hidden these things from the ICC in the past but now they will not be holding back and it will have an impact in his career as well.

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Looks political witch hunt to me, we are suppose to believe that after 2 years suddenly ICC woke up and got their shit together. Timing is fucked up here without any doubt and as far as i understand he denied the Bookie's offer. 6-18 months sounds harsh as well - for not reporting-

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 29, 2019, 02:42:41 AM

I don't think BCB is entirely at fault here. I do blame them for the manner in which they handled this entire situation, but this does not mean that the players are completely innocent themselves. Shakib knew damn well what he was doing when he breached the contract.

Also, Tamim decided to stay back all of a sudden and other players could do the same even after the board agreed to their demands which is why both sides are at fault here which is why I mentioned that they need to resolve this asap before it gets any worse in the future.

Big news came just now. Check this:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27955337/shakib-al-hasan-investigation-not-reporting-bookie-approach

Shakib Al Hasan under investigation for not reporting bookie's approach

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Shakib Al Hasan is being investigated by the ICC for not reporting approaches by bookies. It is believed, though, that the ICC has so far not pressed any charges against Shakib, Bangladesh's Test and T20I captain. As reported yesterday, Shakib has missed most of the training sessions in the past few days and the Bangladesh Cricket Board has not officially explained his absence.

You can't blame the BCB here, as it is the ICC which has put him under investigation. In fact, I don't think that the BCB is even involved in anyway here. Irrespective of whether these charges are proven false or not, Shakib is in quite a lot of trouble here. We all saw what happened to the Indian and South African players back in 2000 (Hansie Cronje, Herschelle Gibbs, Ajay Jadeja, Mohammad Azharuddin.etc) when they got accused of similar charges. Their reputation was tarnished forever and their careers were destroyed.

That said, I don't know whether this latest drama is a part of some blackmail attempt or not. But I don't think so at this point of time, due to the involvement of the ICC.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 28, 2019, 07:57:31 PM

I would just ignore these rumors. The Bangladesh team will be leaving for India tomorrow, and as of now Shakib al Hassan remains as the captain of the squad. If he misses the tournament as a result of the differences with BCB, and Bangladesh performs poorly against India, then Nazmul Hassan will be the first person to get kicked out of the BCB.

BTW, the latest news is that the BCB CEO Nizamuddin Chowdhury has told the media that he would not take any legal action against Shakib al Hassan as long as he files a proper reply to the legal notice. His tone is much different from that of Nazmul Hassan, and gives an indication that the board may be looking for a compromise with the player on this issue.

I don't think BCB is entirely at fault here. I do blame them for the manner in which they handled this entire situation, but this does not mean that the players are completely innocent themselves. Shakib knew damn well what he was doing when he breached the contract.

Also, Tamim decided to stay back all of a sudden and other players could do the same even after the board agreed to their demands which is why both sides are at fault here which is why I mentioned that they need to resolve this asap before it gets any worse in the future.

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I would just ignore these rumors. The Bangladesh team will be leaving for India tomorrow, and as of now Shakib al Hassan remains as the captain of the squad. If he misses the tournament as a result of the differences with BCB, and Bangladesh performs poorly against India, then Nazmul Hassan will be the first person to get kicked out of the BCB.

BTW, the latest news is that the BCB CEO Nizamuddin Chowdhury has told the media that he would not take any legal action against Shakib al Hassan as long as he files a proper reply to the legal notice. His tone is much different from that of Nazmul Hassan, and gives an indication that the board may be looking for a compromise with the player on this issue.

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Quote from: Ayiranorea on October 28, 2019, 04:54:58 PM

It is a way to give pressure to the player and make him take responsibility. He is one that has helped Bangladesh win several matches.

Putting pressure to play better, I never heard of this strategy any where. Putting pressure on a player will never bring something good to the team. He is already in a lot of pressure I think because he had leaded the strike for 11 points someday ago.
I doubt Bangladesh will have much benefit even if the Indian teal is a total mess for me. A lot of inexperienced players.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 28, 2019, 08:31:51 AM

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Today there was a statement from Nazmul Hassan (president of the Bangladesh Cricket Board). He hinted that Shakib Al Hasan may miss the upcoming Indian tour. The team will be leaving in two days time, so I don't think that Shakib is left with many options. In case Shakib is left out of the squad, then the playing XI will be very much weakened. Already they are missing two big names (Mohammad Saifuddin and Tamim Iqbal).

It is just a statement just to put pressure on Shakib Al Hasan because if the Bangladesh cricket wanted to avoid him from the team they could have already done that but instead picking him in the team and then voicing their opinion that he could miss the tour does not make any sense other than making news headline and putting pressure on the player. If he is not in the team then it will create a big void in their performance because even with Shakib in the team there is no chance for Bangladesh.

It is a way to give pressure to the player and make him take responsibility. He is one that has helped Bangladesh win several matches. He also got good record against India compared to other players of the squad. Another thing India is strong to face any team, but India will have fear playing against Bangladesh. Once they won against India and that day was declared national holiday in Bangladesh which caused big criticism over India.

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 28, 2019, 01:48:08 PM

They will probably retain him for the series against India after which they will let him go and focus on the legal stuff. Why do you think they will forgive him that easily after he breached the contract?

If the cricket board is to take any actions they will be taking it now rather than waiting for the series to end and if that is the case then they are willing to sort the case between Shakib Al Hasan and the cricket board as he is their best player in the team and his absence will have an impact on the team performance and even during the recent world cup we saw how Shakib Al Hasan performed as he was one of the leading all rounders in the entire tournament.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 28, 2019, 01:32:29 PM

If Bangladesh Cricket Board decide to leave him out of this series then it’ll backfire on them, as he’s an experienced player and the team will miss his presence. There’s no official word whether he’ll be excluded or not, but I’m hoping he’ll be forgiven and allowed to play in the upcoming series vs India. @SaShiRaJaVu I won’t underestimate Bangladesh as I have seen them perform well whenever they’re playing against team India.

They will probably retain him for the series against India after which they will let him go and focus on the legal stuff. Why do you think they will forgive him that easily after he breached the contract?

The president of the BCB himself is pretty pissed about this entire ordeal and he will definitely not let this slide so easily unless the entire nation causes an uproar forcing him to change his decision. I do hope he continues playing though especially since he is in the form of this life currently.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 28, 2019, 08:31:51 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 28, 2019, 06:28:02 AM

Today there was a statement from Nazmul Hassan (president of the Bangladesh Cricket Board). He hinted that Shakib Al Hasan may miss the upcoming Indian tour. The team will be leaving in two days time, so I don't think that Shakib is left with many options. In case Shakib is left out of the squad, then the playing XI will be very much weakened. Already they are missing two big names (Mohammad Saifuddin and Tamim Iqbal).

It is just a statement just to put pressure on Shakib Al Hasan because if the Bangladesh cricket wanted to avoid him from the team they could have already done that but instead picking him in the team and then voicing their opinion that he could miss the tour does not make any sense other than making news headline and putting pressure on the player. If he is not in the team then it will create a big void in their performance because even with Shakib in the team there is no chance for Bangladesh.

If Bangladesh Cricket Board decide to leave him out of this series then it’ll backfire on them, as he’s an experienced player and the team will miss his presence. There’s no official word whether he’ll be excluded or not, but I’m hoping he’ll be forgiven and allowed to play in the upcoming series vs India. @SaShiRaJaVu I won’t underestimate Bangladesh as I have seen them perform well whenever they’re playing against team India.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 28, 2019, 06:28:02 AM

Today there was a statement from Nazmul Hassan (president of the Bangladesh Cricket Board). He hinted that Shakib Al Hasan may miss the upcoming Indian tour. The team will be leaving in two days time, so I don't think that Shakib is left with many options. In case Shakib is left out of the squad, then the playing XI will be very much weakened. Already they are missing two big names (Mohammad Saifuddin and Tamim Iqbal).

It is just a statement just to put pressure on Shakib Al Hasan because if the Bangladesh cricket wanted to avoid him from the team they could have already done that but instead picking him in the team and then voicing their opinion that he could miss the tour does not make any sense other than making news headline and putting pressure on the player. If he is not in the team then it will create a big void in their performance because even with Shakib in the team there is no chance for Bangladesh.

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Today there was a statement from Nazmul Hassan (president of the Bangladesh Cricket Board). He hinted that Shakib Al Hasan may miss the upcoming Indian tour. The team will be leaving in two days time, so I don't think that Shakib is left with many options. In case Shakib is left out of the squad, then the playing XI will be very much weakened. Already they are missing two big names (Mohammad Saifuddin and Tamim Iqbal).

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Quote from: DarkDays on July 26, 2019, 05:03:22 AM

It's not really strange. Cricket fans are not very tech savvy, they go to a field and lay down eating chips. It's not a gentleman's game it's a lazy spectator's sport. A lot has changed with the new formats limitations and the T20 mode, but its still a grill. And the only reason anyone talks about Cricket on Bitcointalk is because of signature campaigns. Not because of the game itself.

Basically all the sports fans who watches these sport are viewing for the love of the game and usually we watch at the comfort of our home or in the stadium and as a viewer you are putting your ass down and watching the game and if you view that as laziness then nothing more to tell Tongue

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I know that this is a really old post but after seeing this now i feel like commenting.

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I don't really think that you can associate a sport with how tech savvy its viewers are.
At last, it comes down to money and profits, like most of members here trying to get most out of the campaigns.

Anyone can have their opinion about things, quoting the post of DarkDays to show his high octane high energy games he plays and view, just want to show his hypocrisy. Not commenting on the campaigns as he is also involved in one and i just want to show his love for high octane games like brick mortar, virtual casino and on top of that Poker, he just view cricket for lazy spectators.

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I'm a semi-professional Poker player based in Singapore.
I am very familiar with both the online casino and brick & mortar casino industries, and obviously know Poker like the back of my hand.

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Sure, The format has changes lately, considering T20 formats but it was necessary to open new small formats to gather more viewers.

The game needs to change with the changing taste of the fans. A few decades back, ODI cricket was considered revolutionary. But when Kerry Packer suggested the idea for the first time (sometime during 1970s), it met with huge opposition from the traditionalists. He couldn't convince the boards, and in the end, he rolled out his own competition (World Series Cricket). Ironically, the cricket boards later realized that this format could earn a lot of revenues for them, and they later approved it.

The same had happened with the T20 format as well. It was an Indian media tycoon (Subhash Chandra, the owner of Zee Entertainment Enterprises), who first came up with the Indian Cricket League. The BCCI was initially opposed to it, until they realized how much money they could make from a similar league. After sometime, they came up with their own league (the IPL) without giving any credit to Mr. Chandra.

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I don't really think that you can associate a sport with how tech savvy its viewers are. Cricket has always been a gentlemen's game if you watch it properly and get the intricacies of it .

I wonder how you went back and took this specific post to respond which is posted months ago Roll Eyes

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Not sure how you differentiate sports into categories.
cricket- Gentleman's game
Football- Hooligans game
Golf, F1- Rich mans game
Kabaddi - poor mans game

These are just terms added by the media or a concept in the minds of the general public and majority of these terms comes from the roots of these sports, cricket was started by the English and they conquered the world and they planted the seed where ever they went and these people were looked upon as upper hierarchy because they ruled the place where they conquered and hence they were called as gentleman and that is the brief history since you brought up this Tongue

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Cricket fans are not very tech savvy

which sport needs tech savvy people to watch the sport Roll Eyes

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on October 27, 2019, 12:44:27 PM

@7788bitcoin has a point that the rules were made before the tournament but it was the dumbest rule set i have seen in cricket, earlier we had similar incident in 1992 world cup when the umpires cut short the game when South Africa need 22 runs from 13 balls against England and after the rain the umpires decided to cut short and asked to score 21 runs in 1 ball Cheesy

, it is said that because of television demands the umpires were forced to come with a decision like that, either way these dumb rules continued in 2019.

Well.. the rules are constantly evolving. There was a lot of outcry after the 1992 world cup match, and that is how the Duckworth-Lewis rule came in to effect (there were a few deficiencies in this rule as well, and eventually it was replaced with the Duckworth–Lewis–Stern method). But the problem is that the results if the past matches can't be changed. South Africa was robbed of a win in 1992 and nothing can change that outcome.

The boundary count rule was really dumb thinking. But at the same time, we need to remember that no one actually noticed it until it was put into effect during the final match. No one even thought about the possibility of the final match ending in a tie, because the chances of something like that occurring was very very remote. As I said earlier, the rule was changed as a result of protests from the cricket fans, but the final result remains unchanged.

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