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Quote from: ThemePen on April 12, 2023, 12:08:59 AM

In my point of view ICC will never decide to expell Pakistan from ODI world cup. Because if we see that Pakistan and India matches give a handsome amount of revenue to ICC. And therefore ICC will not take this action. If ICC will make a good decision so the both teams India and Pakistan will play ICC. Otherwise these two boards are refusing and against each other. So the good decision will matter more.

Actually it's India who has decided not to play in Pakistan and now PCB is boycotting ODI world cup in India (its not final though). Najam Sethi said yesterday we have to face 3 million USD loss if we gave up Asia cup and our relations with ICC will go down if we boycott ODI worldcup. I don't its issue to two boards rather it's only BCCI decision that has created this deadlock. Surprisingly BCCI and Indian government has no objection in India Pakistan match to be played in India.

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Quote from: rojan on April 12, 2023, 03:59:17 AM

These two teams India and Pakistan have devotion in almost all countries. India and Pakistan are two very popular teams. But I think if those who like to watch cricket play, they will listen to the game of India and Pakistan team. I think they have a lot of work to do. They will finish their work later and enjoy the game of two teams first. So it can be said that many fans are still waiting to watch the game of India and Pakistan. I support Pakistan. But if there is any game of India, I will watch the match of India. I don't miss it because I like watching India play a lot.

I have a feeling that now they are overestimating the importance of India vs Pakistan matches. Previously we used to have 1-2 matches between these two teams every year. But now, in each ICC event, we have 2-3 matches. After some time, fans will get tired of this. BTW, on the political front, the relations between India and Pakistan have stabilized. But after 12 months, general elections are due in India. Usually during this time, there is always a heightened chance of something untoward happening (during 2019 elections, it was the Pulwama attacks).

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Meanwhile PCB Chairman Najam Sethi has said that PCB will face 3 million USD loss in case they refuses to play the cup. He further said that PCB is ready to bear these loses as its "a matter of principle". It seems like we will see final decision about Asia Cup and Pakistan participation in ODI world cup very soon.

In my point of view ICC will never decide to expell Pakistan from ODI world cup. Because if we see that Pakistan and India matches give a handsome amount of revenue to ICC. And therefore ICC will not take this action. If ICC will make a good decision so the both teams India and Pakistan will play ICC. Otherwise these two boards are refusing and against each other. So the good decision will matter more.

When the two good teams play in the tournament,their supporters also want to watch the game. If there is a match between India and Pakistan the audience will have a lot of gathering, which I can definitely say that won't be as glamorous against others. As a proof of this, if we look at the last T20 World Cup, we will realize that when India was dropped from the tournament, the price of the ticket was also reduced. Finally i can say that if ICC want to get a big revenue then they have to create a positive environment for both of the two teams. Otherwise they may have to lose big revenue. As a cricket fan I would like to watch India and Pakistan match.

These two teams India and Pakistan have devotion in almost all countries. India and Pakistan are two very popular teams. But I think if those who like to watch cricket play, they will listen to the game of India and Pakistan team. I think they have a lot of work to do. They will finish their work later and enjoy the game of two teams first. So it can be said that many fans are still waiting to watch the game of India and Pakistan. I support Pakistan. But if there is any game of India, I will watch the match of India. I don't miss it because I like watching India play a lot.

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Meanwhile PCB Chairman Najam Sethi has said that PCB will face 3 million USD loss in case they refuses to play the cup. He further said that PCB is ready to bear these loses as its "a matter of principle". It seems like we will see final decision about Asia Cup and Pakistan participation in ODI world cup very soon.

In my point of view ICC will never decide to expell Pakistan from ODI world cup. Because if we see that Pakistan and India matches give a handsome amount of revenue to ICC. And therefore ICC will not take this action. If ICC will make a good decision so the both teams India and Pakistan will play ICC. Otherwise these two boards are refusing and against each other. So the good decision will matter more.

When the two good teams play in the tournament,their supporters also want to watch the game. If there is a match between India and Pakistan the audience will have a lot of gathering, which I can definitely say that won't be as glamorous against others. As a proof of this, if we look at the last T20 World Cup, we will realize that when India was dropped from the tournament, the price of the ticket was also reduced. Finally i can say that if ICC want to get a big revenue then they have to create a positive environment for both of the two teams. Otherwise they may have to lose big revenue. As a cricket fan I would like to watch India and Pakistan match.

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Quote from: WatChe on April 11, 2023, 11:45:44 AM

Meanwhile PCB Chairman Najam Sethi has said that PCB will face 3 million USD loss in case they refuses to play the cup. He further said that PCB is ready to bear these loses as its "a matter of principle". It seems like we will see final decision about Asia Cup and Pakistan participation in ODI world cup very soon.

In my point of view ICC will never decide to expell Pakistan from ODI world cup. Because if we see that Pakistan and India matches give a handsome amount of revenue to ICC. And therefore ICC will not take this action. If ICC will make a good decision so the both teams India and Pakistan will play ICC. Otherwise these two boards are refusing and against each other. So the good decision will matter more.

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Quote from: WatChe on April 11, 2023, 03:11:56 AM

West Indies is the name we only hear in cricket only not anywhere else there exists a country with such name. From day one West Indies team is compromised of players from different Islands and they were brilliant in Test and ODIs till late 90s. The downfall of West Indies started in early 2000 and now there performance in ODI has gone down to level that they have to play world cup qualifying rounds. If WIndies players continue to prefer T20 leagues over national duty then very soon WI will be like Zimbabwe and Kenya.

Yeah.. until the 1990s, they were among the best. I still remember an England tour by the West Indian team somewhere in the late 90s. Courtney Walsh and Curtly Ambrose had to take most of the burden on their shoulders, since the younger players were not performing. And it got worse from there, after both Walsh and Ambrose retired. The only quality player they had on their squad after the retirement of Walsh was Shivnarine Chanderpaul. But then he was treated very harshly by the WICB, due to various reasons other than cricket.

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Quote from: Rabata on April 11, 2023, 01:37:19 PM

In One Day International cricket Bangladesh is much prominent. According to their experience they can make a significant challenge to any strong team. On the other hand, in ICC ranking Ireland lower ranked team so the Bangladesh team will have more opportunities to control this series. In this regard, the upcoming ODI series between the two teams could be in favor of Bangladesh. Because in the team senior players will be in charge especially Tamim Iqbal, Shakib Al Hasan, Liton Das, Mushfiqur Rahim and Mostafizur Rahman are expected to perform good. They are experienced enough to beat their opponents.

There is no doubt about Bangladesh performance in ODI and T20i as they are doing better performance and have enough ability to give better results as well but playing in England has never been easy for subcontinent teams due to conditions and pitch is also never been supportive for them, so this series could be not easy for them after having good result at home against Ireland even they have services of few experienced players which are doing amazing job in last few years and bringing team moral high for having good results.

Prediction is not easy even Bangladesh will be favorite to win, but Ireland can take good advantage of home and favorable conditions BCB announces their full strength squad as they are also feeling it's good opportunity before world cup for having good practice in ODI.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 11, 2023, 03:51:17 AM

WI cricket form has already gone down and I doubt that it’ll ever recover in the coming year’s too, because T20 matches are rising a lot and so is the participating fees for the player’s hence I doubt that WI player’s will chose to play international cricket over T20 matches.

Furthermore I don’t blame the player’s they have been complaining about their salary for quite a while, but the WI cricket board has ignored their pleas and now even if the board fixes it I feel that it’s too late as the WI player’s will not trust them.

Yeah, West Indies already down and out of this game where they were trended setter and rule for very long time this all happens due to poor management and politics which is now having vital role in their set-up firs out of the T20i world cup, and now they need to play qualification round for having spot into ODI world cup 2023 their test team is also having not enough quality which give them any positive relief in long run.

Even they already have the good number of quality players for the T20i and ODI which can bring better results but due to inner politics and quota system things are going bad which need to solve if they want to have better future in this game otherwise in near future we will have things more down.

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The BCB has already announced the 15-man squad for the three ODI series against Ireland in England. The Bangladesh Cricket Board announced Tamim Iqbal as the captain of the 15-member team. BCB has announced the team against Ireland with several changes.
Taskin Ahmed has been dropped from the team and replaced by fast bowling all-rounder Mrittunjoy Chaudhary. Taskin Ahmed has been ruled out of this series due to his injury. Left-arm spinner Taijul Islam has been replaced by Masum Ahmed. Mahmudullah Riyad was not included in the team for this series as before. Afif Hossain Dhruvo has been dropped from this series.

Liton Kumar Das and Mustafizur Rahman will leave for England directly after finishing the IPL. However, the tour of England will not be so easy for Bangladesh. Because the condition of England and the condition of Bangladesh are very different. In particular, Ireland will play in England's conditions, so they will have an added advantage on English soil.

Playing against Ireland on England home ground will not be easy for Bangladesh team as they played at their home ground. There will definitely be competitive matches. Pitch conditions will favor Ireland's bowlers. In that pitch Bangladesh team will miss Taskin. However, he is eliminate due to injury.Those who have been placed in the team squad against Ireland who are Tamim Iqbal (c) Yasir Ali,Shakib Al Hasan, Mrittunjoy Chowdhury, Litton Das, Mehidy Hasan, Ebadot Hossain, Towhid Hridoy, Shoriful Islam,Taijul Islam, Hasan Mahmoud, Mushfiqur Rahim, Mustafizur Rahman, Najmul Hossain hanto ‍and Rony Talukdar.

Even if Bangladesh's absence of Taskin is a setback the team still has a talented and seasoned lineup. The team's strong batting core which includes players like Tamim Iqbal, Shakib Al Hasan, and Mushfiqur Rahim, can withstand Ireland's bowling onslaught. Furthermore the pace and variation of Mustafizur Rahman can hamper Ireland's batters. Promising young players like Mrittunjoy Chowdhury and Towhid Hridoy are also on the team and they can help the club succeed. Overall, Bangladesh has a chance to battle hard and prevail even though the circumstances might be in Ireland's favour.

In One Day International cricket Bangladesh is much prominent. According to their experience they can make a significant challenge to any strong team. On the other hand, in ICC ranking Ireland lower ranked team so the Bangladesh team will have more opportunities to control this series. In this regard, the upcoming ODI series between the two teams could be in favor of Bangladesh. Because in the team senior players will be in charge especially Tamim Iqbal, Shakib Al Hasan, Liton Das, Mushfiqur Rahim and Mostafizur Rahman are expected to perform good. They are experienced enough to beat their opponents.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 11, 2023, 03:51:17 AM

@WatChe WI cricket form has already gone down and I doubt that it’ll ever recover in the coming year’s too, because T20 matches are rising a lot and so is the participating fees for the player’s hence I doubt that WI player’s will chose to play international cricket over T20 matches.

Furthermore I don’t blame the player’s they have been complaining about their salary for quite a while, but the WI cricket board has ignored their pleas and now even if the board fixes it I feel that it’s too late as the WI player’s will not trust them.

Yes its unfortunate to see WI cricket going down like this along with teams like Sri lanka. If teams continue to go down in performance like this then very soon we will left with 5 or 6 competitive teams. As i already mentioned that Kenya is extinct from International cricket and Zimbabwe is no more then an associate team these days.
Meanwhile PCB Chairman Najam Sethi has said that PCB will face 3 million USD loss in case they refuses to play the cup. He further said that PCB is ready to bear these loses as its "a matter of principle". It seems like we will see final decision about Asia Cup and Pakistan participation in ODI world cup very soon.

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The BCB has already announced the 15-man squad for the three ODI series against Ireland in England. The Bangladesh Cricket Board announced Tamim Iqbal as the captain of the 15-member team. BCB has announced the team against Ireland with several changes.
Taskin Ahmed has been dropped from the team and replaced by fast bowling all-rounder Mrittunjoy Chaudhary. Taskin Ahmed has been ruled out of this series due to his injury. Left-arm spinner Taijul Islam has been replaced by Masum Ahmed. Mahmudullah Riyad was not included in the team for this series as before. Afif Hossain Dhruvo has been dropped from this series.

Liton Kumar Das and Mustafizur Rahman will leave for England directly after finishing the IPL. However, the tour of England will not be so easy for Bangladesh. Because the condition of England and the condition of Bangladesh are very different. In particular, Ireland will play in England's conditions, so they will have an added advantage on English soil.

Playing against Ireland on England home ground will not be easy for Bangladesh team as they played at their home ground. There will definitely be competitive matches. Pitch conditions will favor Ireland's bowlers. In that pitch Bangladesh team will miss Taskin. However, he is eliminate due to injury.Those who have been placed in the team squad against Ireland who are Tamim Iqbal (c) Yasir Ali,Shakib Al Hasan, Mrittunjoy Chowdhury, Litton Das, Mehidy Hasan, Ebadot Hossain, Towhid Hridoy, Shoriful Islam,Taijul Islam, Hasan Mahmoud, Mushfiqur Rahim, Mustafizur Rahman, Najmul Hossain hanto ‍and Rony Talukdar.

Even if Bangladesh's absence of Taskin is a setback the team still has a talented and seasoned lineup. The team's strong batting core which includes players like Tamim Iqbal, Shakib Al Hasan, and Mushfiqur Rahim, can withstand Ireland's bowling onslaught. Furthermore the pace and variation of Mustafizur Rahman can hamper Ireland's batters. Promising young players like Mrittunjoy Chowdhury and Towhid Hridoy are also on the team and they can help the club succeed. Overall, Bangladesh has a chance to battle hard and prevail even though the circumstances might be in Ireland's favour.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on April 11, 2023, 03:08:03 AM

The BCB has already announced the 15-man squad for the three ODI series against Ireland in England. The Bangladesh Cricket Board announced Tamim Iqbal as the captain of the 15-member team. BCB has announced the team against Ireland with several changes.
Taskin Ahmed has been dropped from the team and replaced by fast bowling all-rounder Mrittunjoy Chaudhary. Taskin Ahmed has been ruled out of this series due to his injury. Left-arm spinner Taijul Islam has been replaced by Masum Ahmed. Mahmudullah Riyad was not included in the team for this series as before. Afif Hossain Dhruvo has been dropped from this series.

Liton Kumar Das and Mustafizur Rahman will leave for England directly after finishing the IPL. However, the tour of England will not be so easy for Bangladesh. Because the condition of England and the condition of Bangladesh are very different. In particular, Ireland will play in England's conditions, so they will have an added advantage on English soil.

Playing against Ireland on England home ground will not be easy for Bangladesh team as they played at their home ground. There will definitely be competitive matches. Pitch conditions will favor Ireland's bowlers. In that pitch Bangladesh team will miss Taskin. However, he is eliminate due to injury.Those who have been placed in the team squad against Ireland who are Tamim Iqbal (c) Yasir Ali,Shakib Al Hasan, Mrittunjoy Chowdhury, Litton Das, Mehidy Hasan, Ebadot Hossain, Towhid Hridoy, Shoriful Islam,Taijul Islam, Hasan Mahmoud, Mushfiqur Rahim, Mustafizur Rahman, Najmul Hossain hanto ‍and Rony Talukdar.

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In case of Cricket Australia, the contract salaries are quite good and the cricket board can ask the players to prioritize national games over franchise cricket. That is not the case with WICB. The contract salaries are not that good and a number of regular players are not contracted. And then the players are drawn from over a dozen different independent nations, and therefore there is always controversies related to selection and bias. And then there are allegations from the players related to misuse of the funds that the board receives from the ICC.

West Indies is the name we only hear in cricket only not anywhere else there exists a country with such name. From day one West Indies team is compromised of players from different Islands and they were brilliant in Test and ODIs till late 90s. The downfall of West Indies started in early 2000 and now there performance in ODI has gone down to level that they have to play world cup qualifying rounds. If WIndies players continue to prefer T20 leagues over national duty then very soon WI will be like Zimbabwe and Kenya.

@WatChe WI cricket form has already gone down and I doubt that it’ll ever recover in the coming year’s too, because T20 matches are rising a lot and so is the participating fees for the player’s hence I doubt that WI player’s will chose to play international cricket over T20 matches.

Furthermore I don’t blame the player’s they have been complaining about their salary for quite a while, but the WI cricket board has ignored their pleas and now even if the board fixes it I feel that it’s too late as the WI player’s will not trust them.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 10, 2023, 11:08:18 PM

In case of Cricket Australia, the contract salaries are quite good and the cricket board can ask the players to prioritize national games over franchise cricket. That is not the case with WICB. The contract salaries are not that good and a number of regular players are not contracted. And then the players are drawn from over a dozen different independent nations, and therefore there is always controversies related to selection and bias. And then there are allegations from the players related to misuse of the funds that the board receives from the ICC.

West Indies is the name we only hear in cricket only not anywhere else there exists a country with such name. From day one West Indies team is compromised of players from different Islands and they were brilliant in Test and ODIs till late 90s. The downfall of West Indies started in early 2000 and now there performance in ODI has gone down to level that they have to play world cup qualifying rounds. If WIndies players continue to prefer T20 leagues over national duty then very soon WI will be like Zimbabwe and Kenya.

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The BCB has already announced the 15-man squad for the three ODI series against Ireland in England. The Bangladesh Cricket Board announced Tamim Iqbal as the captain of the 15-member team. BCB has announced the team against Ireland with several changes.
Taskin Ahmed has been dropped from the team and replaced by fast bowling all-rounder Mrittunjoy Chaudhary. Taskin Ahmed has been ruled out of this series due to his injury. Left-arm spinner Taijul Islam has been replaced by Masum Ahmed. Mahmudullah Riyad was not included in the team for this series as before. Afif Hossain Dhruvo has been dropped from this series.

Liton Kumar Das and Mustafizur Rahman will leave for England directly after finishing the IPL. However, the tour of England will not be so easy for Bangladesh. Because the condition of England and the condition of Bangladesh are very different. In particular, Ireland will play in England's conditions, so they will have an added advantage on English soil.

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Quote from: WatChe on April 10, 2023, 07:43:59 PM

A player is invited in T20 league because of his performance and appearance in national team. Not many domestic players are invited to play in T20 leagues. As I said CA stopped his players from IPL due to Pakistan tour last year.
We see West Indies players mostly busy in T20 leagues and there national team is suffering alot because of absence of major players. Very soon boards may start taking undertaking from new players before inclusion in national team that they will remain available for national duty.

In case of Cricket Australia, the contract salaries are quite good and the cricket board can ask the players to prioritize national games over franchise cricket. That is not the case with WICB. The contract salaries are not that good and a number of regular players are not contracted. And then the players are drawn from over a dozen different independent nations, and therefore there is always controversies related to selection and bias. And then there are allegations from the players related to misuse of the funds that the board receives from the ICC.

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Quote from: posi on April 10, 2023, 03:41:26 PM

Restricting players to play in T20 leagues so that they can perform for the national team, actually forcing them to perform for the national team is not going to be the best solution in this case. If a player does not take pride in representing his own country, it is hard to make him do that.

It is true that West Indies players really want money. But at the same time, it is also true that the West Indies board is also very cheap and tries to keep a huge amount for themselves. I think all of this is happening because of the lack of transparency between the players and the cricket board.

A player is invited in T20 league because of his performance and appearance in national team. Not many domestic players are invited to play in T20 leagues. As I said CA stopped his players from IPL due to Pakistan tour last year.
We see West Indies players mostly busy in T20 leagues and there national team is suffering alot because of absence of major players. Very soon boards may start taking undertaking from new players before inclusion in national team that they will remain available for national duty.

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Quote from: WatChe on April 10, 2023, 02:11:44 PM

This is dilemma of every board, players are more interested in money rich leagues like IPL. Last year CA restricted there players from joining IPL due to Australia tour to Pakistan. We have seen many examples where country is losing series as key players are busy playing T20 leagues. There must be some regulations on T20 leagues and international cricket. The restriction on Pakistani players to participate in IPL as now become a blessing for PCB as players are available for national duty in every series like the one coming up against NZ.

I would like to agreeing with you in this point, The way players are chasing money now, I think some countries will go back to the points table later on in the rating point. And especially those teams who are lower in the rankings will be at risk and may face problems in qualifying for the next international tournament due to missing this players.
I think the management board of each country should be stricter to control these activities of the players in addition to introducing rules for this, although there are many instances where the player has come back and played for the country.

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Quote from: posi on April 10, 2023, 03:41:26 PM

Restricting players to play in T20 leagues so that they can perform for the national team, actually forcing them to perform for the national team is not going to be the best solution in this case. If a player does not take pride in representing his own country, it is hard to make him do that.

It is true that West Indies players really want money. But at the same time, it is also true that the West Indies board is also very cheap and tries to keep a huge amount for themselves. I think all of this is happening because of the lack of transparency between the players and the cricket board.

WICB is right now in the worst situation with many issues are rising which are never been good for them because they are not one country having seven or eight countries are playing under one flag and its happening for the last one century which is never been easy they rule the world for long time but now recently they have many on and off the field issues which are creating problems, so many players are not happy to play for this team which is surely big dilemma for them and with this management is also failed to settle problems even they have still enough quality and good players but things going from bad to worse for them if they fail to fix these problems then surely we can have more troubling time in near future.

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Arrogance and greed from the players was definitely one of the reasons. Most of them would prefer playing in franchise T20 cricket to national duty. But that was not the sole cause why West Indies cricket went down the drain. The West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) is also responsible in a large way to their own decline. Unlike other teams, the WICB is a union of more than a dozen different countries. This means that the selection process is very complicated and there is a lot of regional and ethnic bias that seeps in.

This is dilemma of every board, players are more interested in money rich leagues like IPL. Last year CA restricted there players from joining IPL due to Australia tour to Pakistan. We have seen many examples where country is losing series as key players are busy playing T20 leagues. There must be some regulations on T20 leagues and international cricket. The restriction on Pakistani players to participate in IPL as now become a blessing for PCB as players are available for national duty in every series like the one coming up against NZ.

Restricting players to play in T20 leagues so that they can perform for the national team, actually forcing them to perform for the national team is not going to be the best solution in this case. If a player does not take pride in representing his own country, it is hard to make him do that.

It is true that West Indies players really want money. But at the same time, it is also true that the West Indies board is also very cheap and tries to keep a huge amount for themselves. I think all of this is happening because of the lack of transparency between the players and the cricket board.

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