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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 18, 2023, 11:18:28 AM

Well.. the BCCI launched IPL back in 2008. They waited for one and half decades to launch the WPL. ECB, CA, CNZ and even the WICB were much ahead of them. And the BCCI was not much worried about the revenues. Their main concern was that WPL would take away some interest from the IPL. Anyway, finally they launched the WPL in 2023, and it was a grand success. The first edition showcased the depth of talent in this country. Hardly anyone knew about players such as Kiran Navgire, Saika Ishaque and Simran Shaikh before this tournament. Now they are famous all over India.

Could you please share details of how much profit BCCI generated from WIPL? Seeing the participation of people in WIPL, I am sure the WIPL must be in profit. BCCI earns so much from IPL that they can bear WIPL in loss too.
With T20 leagues of women being launched in every country, we can say that finally women cricket is underway globally. There are even few T20 matches of women T20 in Pakistan where women cricketers from different countries participated.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on April 18, 2023, 06:45:58 AM

@WatChe ICC only listens to the big 4, and since all of them had a growing audience that wanted to watch more woman’s cricket they finally decided to step up their efforts for the same. @Sithra007 BCCI saw that there was a nice opportunity to milk money out of woman’s cricket and that’s why they finally launched WIPL, but it’ll take a very long time before WIPL generate revenues like IPL does.

Well.. the BCCI launched IPL back in 2008. They waited for one and half decades to launch the WPL. ECB, CA, CNZ and even the WICB were much ahead of them. And the BCCI was not much worried about the revenues. Their main concern was that WPL would take away some interest from the IPL. Anyway, finally they launched the WPL in 2023, and it was a grand success. The first edition showcased the depth of talent in this country. Hardly anyone knew about players such as Kiran Navgire, Saika Ishaque and Simran Shaikh before this tournament. Now they are famous all over India.

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Quote from: WatChe on April 18, 2023, 04:11:26 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 17, 2023, 11:00:27 PM

ICC and some of the Asian boards started giving importance to women's cricket only recently. Other sports bodies such as the FIH and FIFA were much ahead of them. Anyway, better late than never. Women's cricket will never be able to match the popularity and revenues from the men's game, but it is important in terms of acceptance from the governments and other global bodies such as the International Olympic Committee (IOC). At least now, we can say that the ICC is moving in the right direction, although they may be a few decades behind the other sports bodies.

In cricket only Australia, England and New Zealand were paying attention to there women team. Very recently we saw BCCI also joining in and promoting women cricket by launching Women IPL. Outside South Asia popularity of cricket is not very hight, so women cricket will take time before it attracts adequate viewership.
Meanwhile first ODI match of ACC Men's Premier Cup is in progress at Kirtipur, Nepal. Malaysia have given a target of 236 to Nepal. Nepal so far steady in run chase as they have scored 53 runs in 8 overs.

Recently we have good changes in sports with many countries are also developing these facilities for their women's because they understand this is also good way of making profit and many other advantages as well so after Big-3 now few more countries are bringing good improvement in quality and having leagues as well which will surely give experience and improvement in performance, even it's still not easy job with domestic restrictions and many other social difficulties.

But, as ICC is forcing for these things surely we will have better results and all countries will also encourage their domestic setup for having better sources and finances as well recently we have few teams from Thailand, Malaysia and Rwanda in women's world cup which is also big success for the game.

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Quote from: WatChe on April 18, 2023, 04:11:26 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 17, 2023, 11:00:27 PM

ICC and some of the Asian boards started giving importance to women's cricket only recently. Other sports bodies such as the FIH and FIFA were much ahead of them. Anyway, better late than never. Women's cricket will never be able to match the popularity and revenues from the men's game, but it is important in terms of acceptance from the governments and other global bodies such as the International Olympic Committee (IOC). At least now, we can say that the ICC is moving in the right direction, although they may be a few decades behind the other sports bodies.

In cricket only Australia, England and New Zealand were paying attention to there women team. Very recently we saw BCCI also joining in and promoting women cricket by launching Women IPL. Outside South Asia popularity of cricket is not very hight, so women cricket will take time before it attracts adequate viewership.

@WatChe ICC only listens to the big 4, and since all of them had a growing audience that wanted to watch more woman’s cricket they finally decided to step up their efforts for the same. @Sithra007 BCCI saw that there was a nice opportunity to milk money out of woman’s cricket and that’s why they finally launched WIPL, but it’ll take a very long time before WIPL generate revenues like IPL does.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 17, 2023, 11:00:27 PM

ICC and some of the Asian boards started giving importance to women's cricket only recently. Other sports bodies such as the FIH and FIFA were much ahead of them. Anyway, better late than never. Women's cricket will never be able to match the popularity and revenues from the men's game, but it is important in terms of acceptance from the governments and other global bodies such as the International Olympic Committee (IOC). At least now, we can say that the ICC is moving in the right direction, although they may be a few decades behind the other sports bodies.

In cricket only Australia, England and New Zealand were paying attention to there women team. Very recently we saw BCCI also joining in and promoting women cricket by launching Women IPL. Outside South Asia popularity of cricket is not very hight, so women cricket will take time before it attracts adequate viewership.
Meanwhile first ODI match of ACC Men's Premier Cup is in progress at Kirtipur, Nepal. Malaysia have given a target of 236 to Nepal. Nepal so far steady in run chase as they have scored 53 runs in 8 overs.

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Quote from: BobK71 on April 17, 2023, 07:34:26 PM

Yes, ICC should give equal importance to each team especially to improve the game. Relying only on revenue may lead to a serious crisis in cricket after a long time. Currently women's cricket has also received good praise in addition to men's cricket. If ICC focuses on the development of women's cricket as well as men's, then after a certain period of time women's cricket can also gain great popularity.

ICC and some of the Asian boards started giving importance to women's cricket only recently. Other sports bodies such as the FIH and FIFA were much ahead of them. Anyway, better late than never. Women's cricket will never be able to match the popularity and revenues from the men's game, but it is important in terms of acceptance from the governments and other global bodies such as the International Olympic Committee (IOC). At least now, we can say that the ICC is moving in the right direction, although they may be a few decades behind the other sports bodies.

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Despite having various problems in Afghanistan they still focused on the cricket. Their cricket has also improved. Moreover, no one can call this weaker team. Their women's cricket is quite restricted under the Taliban regime but they are not restricted in men's cricket. Afghanistan is not financially self-sufficient. But if ICC extends a helping hand to them then they will be able to rise to a better position in cricket.

Exactly that is the reason. They want a helping hand from ICC. Doesn't matter if the country is under Taliban now. They are now a nation. They deserve the equality like others. ICC should consider it as a good team and should fund it. Because this team has the ability to grow up. ICC should think neutraly.

In my opinion, ICC should extend comparable facilities to the potential teams. If those teams can be given some facilities then they can perform better in cricket. As a result, ICC may not be profitable in the short term, but in the long run, they can be profitable. Afghanistan is now considered one of the better teams and they should be rewarded for the short time they have developed their cricket. So that others can be inspired.

ICC makes big profit and this isn't gonna affect its revenue at any means. BCCI stands as one among the richest sports organization. When BCCI have got the status, why couldn't ICC reach such a position. Also the importance need to be given equally, same as what men team enjoy every form of comfort and support needs to be provided to the women's team too. When we need to develop cricket all around we shouldn't think of the revenue and all.

Yes, ICC should give equal importance to each team especially to improve the game. Relying only on revenue may lead to a serious crisis in cricket after a long time. Currently women's cricket has also received good praise in addition to men's cricket. If ICC focuses on the development of women's cricket as well as men's, then after a certain period of time women's cricket can also gain great popularity.

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Quote from: BobK71 on April 16, 2023, 02:27:08 PM

Despite having various problems in Afghanistan they still focused on the cricket. Their cricket has also improved. Moreover, no one can call this weaker team. Their women's cricket is quite restricted under the Taliban regime but they are not restricted in men's cricket. Afghanistan is not financially self-sufficient. But if ICC extends a helping hand to them then they will be able to rise to a better position in cricket.

Exactly that is the reason. They want a helping hand from ICC. Doesn't matter if the country is under Taliban now. They are now a nation. They deserve the equality like others. ICC should consider it as a good team and should fund it. Because this team has the ability to grow up. ICC should think neutraly.

In my opinion, ICC should extend comparable facilities to the potential teams. If those teams can be given some facilities then they can perform better in cricket. As a result, ICC may not be profitable in the short term, but in the long run, they can be profitable. Afghanistan is now considered one of the better teams and they should be rewarded for the short time they have developed their cricket. So that others can be inspired.

ICC makes big profit and this isn't gonna affect its revenue at any means. BCCI stands as one among the richest sports organization. When BCCI have got the status, why couldn't ICC reach such a position. Also the importance need to be given equally, same as what men team enjoy every form of comfort and support needs to be provided to the women's team too. When we need to develop cricket all around we shouldn't think of the revenue and all.

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Quote from: ThemePen on April 17, 2023, 05:53:28 PM

Quote from: BobK71 on April 16, 2023, 02:27:08 PM

Despite having various problems in Afghanistan they still focused on the cricket. Their cricket has also improved. Moreover, no one can call this weaker team. Their women's cricket is quite restricted under the Taliban regime but they are not restricted in men's cricket. Afghanistan is not financially self-sufficient. But if ICC extends a helping hand to them then they will be able to rise to a better position in cricket.

Exactly that is the reason. They want a helping hand from ICC. Doesn't matter if the country is under Taliban now. They are now a nation. They deserve the equality like others. ICC should consider it as a good team and should fund it. Because this team has the ability to grow up. ICC should think neutraly.

In my opinion, ICC should extend comparable facilities to the potential teams. If those teams can be given some facilities then they can perform better in cricket. As a result, ICC may not be profitable in the short term, but in the long run, they can be profitable. Afghanistan is now considered one of the better teams and they should be rewarded for the short time they have developed their cricket. So that others can be inspired.

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Quote from: BobK71 on April 16, 2023, 02:27:08 PM

Despite having various problems in Afghanistan they still focused on the cricket. Their cricket has also improved. Moreover, no one can call this weaker team. Their women's cricket is quite restricted under the Taliban regime but they are not restricted in men's cricket. Afghanistan is not financially self-sufficient. But if ICC extends a helping hand to them then they will be able to rise to a better position in cricket.

Exactly that is the reason. They want a helping hand from ICC. Doesn't matter if the country is under Taliban now. They are now a nation. They deserve the equality like others. ICC should consider it as a good team and should fund it. Because this team has the ability to grow up. ICC should think neutraly.

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The case with Afghanistan is a bit tricky. After the Taliban took over administration, the ICC refused to release any payments to the Afghanistan Cricket Board. They are receiving some minor funding from the Asian Cricket Council, but apart from that the ACB has been running low on money for some time now. ECB and CA are adamant that the funding should be released only after ACB could guarantee women's participation in cricket. The future looks uncertain for now, and most of the national team players have moved out to countries such as the United Arab Emirates.

One thing ICC and big 3 must understand is that there is no chance of women cricket under Taliban rule. Afghanistan cricket is developed because most of there players are either born or brought up in Pakistan or they go to Pakistan to play crikcet. Its all because there is no visa restriction for Afghanistan natioanls to visit Pakistan. I don't know how ICC will react to Afghanistan policy of zero cricket for women but men cricket in Afghanistan really need support of ICC at the moment.

I do not understand why ICC cannot respect the idea of someone else. Why do they have to have a women’s cricket team to get funding from the ICC? Why if they don’t like the ideology of someone else, they always have to take certain negative steps about that? If they do not want to make a women’s cricket team, just based on the religious belief, I think they should not face any problems for that.

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Quote from: n0ne on April 16, 2023, 07:25:04 PM

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Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

Despite having various problems in Afghanistan they still focused on the cricket. Their cricket has also improved. Moreover, no one can call this weaker team. Their women's cricket is quite restricted under the Taliban regime but they are not restricted in men's cricket. Afghanistan is not financially self-sufficient. But if ICC extends a helping hand to them then they will be able to rise to a better position in cricket.

This is the reality with the cricket. The country itself needs to make necessary arrangements and train themselves. Amidst all the difficult experienced the team had experienced big change in players perfect. Same as them countries should request for the funds. Mostly BCCI won't be favourable to the team goodness

Afghanistan has improved and evolved alot In cricket and credit goes to the players and management totally as their government and political situation have never been stable and supportive specially under Taliban rule .
Their team didn't give up and kept on playing, now Afghanistan have top class spinners batsman who are ruling and playing in different leagues.

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Quote from: BobK71 on April 16, 2023, 02:27:08 PM

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Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

Despite having various problems in Afghanistan they still focused on the cricket. Their cricket has also improved. Moreover, no one can call this weaker team. Their women's cricket is quite restricted under the Taliban regime but they are not restricted in men's cricket. Afghanistan is not financially self-sufficient. But if ICC extends a helping hand to them then they will be able to rise to a better position in cricket.

This is the reality with the cricket. The country itself needs to make necessary arrangements and train themselves. Amidst all the difficult experienced the team had experienced big change in players perfect. Same as them countries should request for the funds. Mostly BCCI won't be favourable to the team goodness

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 16, 2023, 03:00:14 AM

The case with Afghanistan is a bit tricky. After the Taliban took over administration, the ICC refused to release any payments to the Afghanistan Cricket Board. They are receiving some minor funding from the Asian Cricket Council, but apart from that the ACB has been running low on money for some time now. ECB and CA are adamant that the funding should be released only after ACB could guarantee women's participation in cricket. The future looks uncertain for now, and most of the national team players have moved out to countries such as the United Arab Emirates.

One thing ICC and big 3 must understand is that there is no chance of women cricket under Taliban rule. Afghanistan cricket is developed because most of there players are either born or brought up in Pakistan or they go to Pakistan to play crikcet. Its all because there is no visa restriction for Afghanistan natioanls to visit Pakistan. I don't know how ICC will react to Afghanistan policy of zero cricket for women but men cricket in Afghanistan really need support of ICC at the moment.

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Quote from: ThemePen on April 16, 2023, 02:51:38 AM

Quote from: Vaskiy on April 15, 2023, 05:25:08 PM

Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

Despite having various problems in Afghanistan they still focused on the cricket. Their cricket has also improved. Moreover, no one can call this weaker team. Their women's cricket is quite restricted under the Taliban regime but they are not restricted in men's cricket. Afghanistan is not financially self-sufficient. But if ICC extends a helping hand to them then they will be able to rise to a better position in cricket.

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Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

The case with Afghanistan is a bit tricky. After the Taliban took over administration, the ICC refused to release any payments to the Afghanistan Cricket Board. They are receiving some minor funding from the Asian Cricket Council, but apart from that the ACB has been running low on money for some time now. ECB and CA are adamant that the funding should be released only after ACB could guarantee women's participation in cricket. The future looks uncertain for now, and most of the national team players have moved out to countries such as the United Arab Emirates.

I still remember that Afghanistan had to play a certain ICC tournament (most probably a world cup) just depending upon the money that Nabi was giving the team. ICC should really think about Afghanistan as a serious regular cricket playing country. Because they certainly does have the potential to be one of the best in the world.

The problem is the infrastructure is not good at all. Other than the main 11, I don't think they have world class players like that coming up. And even though they have a lot of potential, who are the ICC giving money to? USA and other teams that basically don't have negative players in the team. Now tell me how that's fair!

In fact ODI format is one of the formats of cricket. Almost every cricket team is used to this format. Basically, when playing in the ODI format, the team actually depends more on the batsmen to win or lose the match. Afghanistan is a fairly good team, this team can perform well in T20 format.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 16, 2023, 03:00:14 AM

Quote from: ThemePen on April 16, 2023, 02:51:38 AM

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

The case with Afghanistan is a bit tricky. After the Taliban took over administration, the ICC refused to release any payments to the Afghanistan Cricket Board. They are receiving some minor funding from the Asian Cricket Council, but apart from that the ACB has been running low on money for some time now. ECB and CA are adamant that the funding should be released only after ACB could guarantee women's participation in cricket. The future looks uncertain for now, and most of the national team players have moved out to countries such as the United Arab Emirates.

I still remember that Afghanistan had to play a certain ICC tournament (most probably a world cup) just depending upon the money that Nabi was giving the team. ICC should really think about Afghanistan as a serious regular cricket playing country. Because they certainly does have the potential to be one of the best in the world.

The problem is the infrastructure is not good at all. Other than the main 11, I don't think they have world class players like that coming up. And even though they have a lot of potential, who are the ICC giving money to? USA and other teams that basically don't have negative players in the team. Now tell me how that's fair!

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Quote from: ThemePen on April 16, 2023, 02:51:38 AM

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

The case with Afghanistan is a bit tricky. After the Taliban took over administration, the ICC refused to release any payments to the Afghanistan Cricket Board. They are receiving some minor funding from the Asian Cricket Council, but apart from that the ACB has been running low on money for some time now. ECB and CA are adamant that the funding should be released only after ACB could guarantee women's participation in cricket. The future looks uncertain for now, and most of the national team players have moved out to countries such as the United Arab Emirates.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on April 15, 2023, 05:25:08 PM

Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on April 15, 2023, 05:25:08 PM

Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

Cricket in Afghanistan grew during the late 1990s and early 2000s. Back then, Jagmohan Dalmiya was the President of International Cricket Council, and he was a big supporter of cricket in associate nations. And then they received good support from both the BCCI and PCB (for reasons other than cricket). But things changed once Dalmiya was replaced by the pig-4 mafia. Sharad Pawar - N Srinivasan gang took over, and this was when cricket in associate nations started to die off. Some of the teams (like Kenya) got completely destroyed, while others like Nepal and Malaysia were severely weakened.

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