ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] - page 682.

Sithara007

legendary

Activity: 3346

Merit: 1352

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: ThemePen on April 16, 2023, 01:51:38 AM

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

The case with Afghanistan is a bit tricky. After the Taliban took over administration, the ICC refused to release any payments to the Afghanistan Cricket Board. They are receiving some minor funding from the Asian Cricket Council, but apart from that the ACB has been running low on money for some time now. ECB and CA are adamant that the funding should be released only after ACB could guarantee women's participation in cricket. The future looks uncertain for now, and most of the national team players have moved out to countries such as the United Arab Emirates.

ThemePen

hero member

Activity: 1008

Merit: 798

I stand with Palestine.

Quote from: Vaskiy on April 15, 2023, 04:25:08 PM

Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

Yes we can consider Afghanistan as a poor country. But this is a good thing that in this situation (means you know the condition of Afghanistan and its economic crisis) this country team is playing. This is a good thing. And this is good thing and we are looking that this team is growing slowly but growing. And hope it will grow more.

Sithara007

legendary

Activity: 3346

Merit: 1352

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: Vaskiy on April 15, 2023, 04:25:08 PM

Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

Cricket in Afghanistan grew during the late 1990s and early 2000s. Back then, Jagmohan Dalmiya was the President of International Cricket Council, and he was a big supporter of cricket in associate nations. And then they received good support from both the BCCI and PCB (for reasons other than cricket). But things changed once Dalmiya was replaced by the pig-4 mafia. Sharad Pawar - N Srinivasan gang took over, and this was when cricket in associate nations started to die off. Some of the teams (like Kenya) got completely destroyed, while others like Nepal and Malaysia were severely weakened.

Vaskiy

legendary

Activity: 2688

Merit: 1106

DGbet.fun - Crypto Sportsbook

Quote from: BobK71 on April 15, 2023, 01:40:11 PM

Quote from: Tony116 on April 15, 2023, 01:01:26 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 15, 2023, 06:29:30 AM

At this point, the associate teams are facing a double whammy. On one hand, teams like United Arab Emirates, USA and Oman are recruiting former first class players from test nations and the poorer associate nations can't compete against them. On the other hand, the fund distribution is linked to performance in the ICC qualifier tournaments. The poorer teams are getting squeezed from all sides. Neither they get the opportunity to compete in the big tournaments, nor do they get enough funds to properly train their players.

These are the reasons why the associate teams do not take cricket seriously for the most part. And the players who play in these teams are also not going to take cricket as a profession seriously because they also know that the pay that they are going to get is probably not going to be enough. So, these are the reasons why they do not actually get better.

Of course, there is also the reason for ICC not giving enough attention to them. The big four also does not care about them as well.

ICC has constricted the low-income countries, if those poor country get a good opportunity like Afghanistan, those teams would have reached in good position. As much as Afghanistan has been in cricket, cricket could have been more competitive if more teams add to their position. But that is not possible if ICC does not contribute. It is impossible to get good output from small countries without increasing financial incentives. The small teams are not getting support from their boards or from the ICC. They are not benefiting from any aspect.

Afghanistan didn't had much of opportunity or support. The country players progressed well amidst the financial and hard time on their country. Atleast the small nations were able to play within their country. For Afghanistan they were depending the neighbouring countries for their matches. This is how they slowly grew up, and they had got consideration at times which isn't deniable.

BobK71

hero member

Activity: 2128

Merit: 658

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: Tony116 on April 15, 2023, 01:01:26 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 15, 2023, 06:29:30 AM

At this point, the associate teams are facing a double whammy. On one hand, teams like United Arab Emirates, USA and Oman are recruiting former first class players from test nations and the poorer associate nations can't compete against them. On the other hand, the fund distribution is linked to performance in the ICC qualifier tournaments. The poorer teams are getting squeezed from all sides. Neither they get the opportunity to compete in the big tournaments, nor do they get enough funds to properly train their players.

These are the reasons why the associate teams do not take cricket seriously for the most part. And the players who play in these teams are also not going to take cricket as a profession seriously because they also know that the pay that they are going to get is probably not going to be enough. So, these are the reasons why they do not actually get better.

Of course, there is also the reason for ICC not giving enough attention to them. The big four also does not care about them as well.

ICC has constricted the low-income countries, if those poor country get a good opportunity like Afghanistan, those teams would have reached in good position. As much as Afghanistan has been in cricket, cricket could have been more competitive if more teams add to their position. But that is not possible if ICC does not contribute. It is impossible to get good output from small countries without increasing financial incentives. The small teams are not getting support from their boards or from the ICC. They are not benefiting from any aspect.

Tony116

legendary

Activity: 2366

Merit: 1023

DGbet.fun - Crypto Sportsbook

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 15, 2023, 06:29:30 AM

At this point, the associate teams are facing a double whammy. On one hand, teams like United Arab Emirates, USA and Oman are recruiting former first class players from test nations and the poorer associate nations can't compete against them. On the other hand, the fund distribution is linked to performance in the ICC qualifier tournaments. The poorer teams are getting squeezed from all sides. Neither they get the opportunity to compete in the big tournaments, nor do they get enough funds to properly train their players.

These are the reasons why the associate teams do not take cricket seriously for the most part. And the players who play in these teams are also not going to take cricket as a profession seriously because they also know that the pay that they are going to get is probably not going to be enough. So, these are the reasons why they do not actually get better.

Of course, there is also the reason for ICC not giving enough attention to them. The big four also does not care about them as well.

Sithara007

legendary

Activity: 3346

Merit: 1352

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: Tony116 on April 15, 2023, 05:29:22 AM

Personally, I would like to see the ICC take matters into their own hands. ICC relies too much on the big four cricket boards to make decisions. And that certainly should not be the way to do things. ICC should also give the associate countries, which does have native players on the team, a little more money.

There are a lot of poor associate countries, which are not able to show good performance, because of two reasons.

1-they are not being able to improve as well as they should, because of Money being an issue.

2-and they are not being able to show good performance against associate teams that have foreign players in the team, which should also not be a thing in cricket.

At this point, the associate teams are facing a double whammy. On one hand, teams like United Arab Emirates, USA and Oman are recruiting former first class players from test nations and the poorer associate nations can't compete against them. On the other hand, the fund distribution is linked to performance in the ICC qualifier tournaments. The poorer teams are getting squeezed from all sides. Neither they get the opportunity to compete in the big tournaments, nor do they get enough funds to properly train their players.

Tony116

legendary

Activity: 2366

Merit: 1023

DGbet.fun - Crypto Sportsbook

Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 15, 2023, 03:11:23 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 15, 2023, 02:17:17 AM

We had debate on this topic manytimes. Can't expect anything good unless the current pig-4 system is removed. Right now Greg Barclay is the chairman of the ICC and he is a businessman with no experience in cricket. When people with no links to cricket are taking decisions, you can't really expect them to keep the health of the sport in mind. They only care about money. And countries such as UAE and USA are big markets, where the ICC believes that it is possible to earn good revenues. Nepal and Namibia are given much lower priority.

I think what ICC is doing is better for cricket and good for its revenue. They should focus more on Europe and US. They have already penetrated a larger portion of Europe and now it is time to penetrate the US. Middle East country have a lot of oil money but they know they cannot sustain it for long therefore they are venturing into sports tourism.

There are other deserving countries that do not have big economy but eventually in time they would be part of the big league through their players skills.

Personally, I would like to see the ICC take matters into their own hands. ICC relies too much on the big four cricket boards to make decisions. And that certainly should not be the way to do things. ICC should also give the associate countries, which does have native players on the team, a little more money.

There are a lot of poor associate countries, which are not able to show good performance, because of two reasons.

1-they are not being able to improve as well as they should, because of Money being an issue.

2-and they are not being able to show good performance against associate teams that have foreign players in the team, which should also not be a thing in cricket.

ThemePen

hero member

Activity: 1008

Merit: 798

I stand with Palestine.

Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 15, 2023, 03:11:23 AM

There are other deserving countries that do not have big economy but eventually in time they would be part of the big league through their players skills.

A team can build with their players. In simple words you can say that the Players make a team. Big economy also matters too because if they have the budget so they will practice with more advanced equipments. With the low budget players will practice less.

But the thing is that a good player has the skills which doesn't care where is he playing and which equipments he has.

pakhitheboss

hero member

Activity: 2156

Merit: 803

Top Crypto Casino

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 15, 2023, 02:17:17 AM

We had debate on this topic manytimes. Can't expect anything good unless the current pig-4 system is removed. Right now Greg Barclay is the chairman of the ICC and he is a businessman with no experience in cricket. When people with no links to cricket are taking decisions, you can't really expect them to keep the health of the sport in mind. They only care about money. And countries such as UAE and USA are big markets, where the ICC believes that it is possible to earn good revenues. Nepal and Namibia are given much lower priority.

I think what ICC is doing is better for cricket and good for its revenue. They should focus more on Europe and US. They have already penetrated a larger portion of Europe and now it is time to penetrate the US. Middle East country have a lot of oil money but they know they cannot sustain it for long therefore they are venturing into sports tourism.

There are other deserving countries that do not have big economy but eventually in time they would be part of the big league through their players skills.

Sithara007

legendary

Activity: 3346

Merit: 1352

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: BobK71 on April 15, 2023, 02:00:33 AM

ICC should remove such behavior. Economically small cricket loving countries are not able to fulfill themselves in cricket if the ICC retreats without extending a hand of cooperation, after a certain period of time cricket in these countries will be forced to die. Although ICC is an organization in the name of protecting cricket, they will be a big obstacle for cricket because of their hostile attitude towards small countries.

We had debate on this topic manytimes. Can't expect anything good unless the current pig-4 system is removed. Right now Greg Barclay is the chairman of the ICC and he is a businessman with no experience in cricket. When people with no links to cricket are taking decisions, you can't really expect them to keep the health of the sport in mind. They only care about money. And countries such as UAE and USA are big markets, where the ICC believes that it is possible to earn good revenues. Nepal and Namibia are given much lower priority.

BobK71

hero member

Activity: 2128

Merit: 658

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 14, 2023, 08:35:20 PM

Quote from: MusaPk on April 14, 2023, 05:13:35 AM

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

Teams like Nepal, Papua New Guinea and Namibia are all cricket crazy nations. Football is also popular in Nepal, however as the no.1 sport cricket is far ahead of others. The reason why Nepal is not as cricket crazy as India may be due to the fact that they always have to deal with harsh treatment from the ICC. The ICC put so many obstacles to their funding and entry to major cricket tournaments, as they only support rich teams such as the UAE and USA. And despite being a neighboring country, the BCCI has never spent a penny to support cricket in Nepal. The only test playing nation who has supported cricket in Nepal is Pakistan.

ICC should remove such behavior. Economically small cricket loving countries are not able to fulfill themselves in cricket if the ICC retreats without extending a hand of cooperation, after a certain period of time cricket in these countries will be forced to die. Although ICC is an organization in the name of protecting cricket, they will be a big obstacle for cricket because of their hostile attitude towards small countries.

Sithara007

legendary

Activity: 3346

Merit: 1352

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: MusaPk on April 14, 2023, 05:13:35 AM

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

Teams like Nepal, Papua New Guinea and Namibia are all cricket crazy nations. Football is also popular in Nepal, however as the no.1 sport cricket is far ahead of others. The reason why Nepal is not as cricket crazy as India may be due to the fact that they always have to deal with harsh treatment from the ICC. The ICC put so many obstacles to their funding and entry to major cricket tournaments, as they only support rich teams such as the UAE and USA. And despite being a neighboring country, the BCCI has never spent a penny to support cricket in Nepal. The only test playing nation who has supported cricket in Nepal is Pakistan.

Rabata

sr. member

Activity: 994

Merit: 314

Quote from: Marvell1 on April 14, 2023, 01:11:09 PM

Quote from: darewaller on April 14, 2023, 08:29:00 AM

Quote from: MusaPk on April 14, 2023, 05:13:35 AM

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

Recently we have good development in Nepal about cricket but sadly still this is not enough for having quick results like we have in the UAE and USA because they are not rich like them, so things can bring changes but not significantly this will take time, and we can hope Nepal will be improved their quality in T20i which will bring them to better place in near future.
Recently we have the good number of matches in Kirtipur Cricket Stadium and fans were exciting about this which is also good sign for them sadly no big board in subcontinent is going ahead for the giving them better support but still they can alone win this fight which will help them for having their part in this game in near future.

Nepal has shown good improvements recently. But of course, they will have to prove themselves against bigger opponents. The only way to get recognized all around the world is to beat opponents who are better.

One example I can think of is Bangladesh. At first, they were not good enough to date anyone except Zimbabwe and Kenya. But they started getting some victories here and there against bigger opponents like Australia, England, India, and also South Africa. After that, they got the taste of victory. The main thing is, Bangladesh always tried to improve themselves. The same thing should be done by Nepal. It will also have to be as consistent as they can be.

Currently, Nepal has progressed tremendously in cricket. Their style of play has also garnered much praise. However, it is true that if a team wants to come into the limelight, then if they beat a big opponent, they can quickly turn the attention of the international arena towards them. A win against Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or Afghanistan will get the support of the crowd very quickly. Since their team is consisted with foreign players I believe they can do it. But they may have to wait a little longer for that. More experience is required for showing such performance.

mm2543363580

full member

Activity: 952

Merit: 105

Quote from: Marvell1 on April 14, 2023, 01:11:09 PM

Quote from: darewaller on April 14, 2023, 08:29:00 AM

Quote from: MusaPk on April 14, 2023, 05:13:35 AM

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

Recently we have good development in Nepal about cricket but sadly still this is not enough for having quick results like we have in the UAE and USA because they are not rich like them, so things can bring changes but not significantly this will take time, and we can hope Nepal will be improved their quality in T20i which will bring them to better place in near future.
Recently we have the good number of matches in Kirtipur Cricket Stadium and fans were exciting about this which is also good sign for them sadly no big board in subcontinent is going ahead for the giving them better support but still they can alone win this fight which will help them for having their part in this game in near future.

Nepal has shown good improvements recently. But of course, they will have to prove themselves against bigger opponents. The only way to get recognized all around the world is to beat opponents who are better.

One example I can think of is Bangladesh. At first, they were not good enough to date anyone except Zimbabwe and Kenya. But they started getting some victories here and there against bigger opponents like Australia, England, India, and also South Africa. After that, they got the taste of victory. The main thing is, Bangladesh always tried to improve themselves. The same thing should be done by Nepal. It will also have to be as consistent as they can be.

That's true Bangladesh is an example for all the associate teams like hoe to improve themselves and make your name among strongest teams .
They have evolved in top cricket horizon and have beaten all strong teams , they are more confident now for their bright future.
Nepal is another team who have emerged in cricket world , now looking forward to their performances in ODI matches.

Marvell1

legendary

Activity: 2408

Merit: 1102

Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

Quote from: darewaller on April 14, 2023, 08:29:00 AM

Quote from: MusaPk on April 14, 2023, 05:13:35 AM

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

Recently we have good development in Nepal about cricket but sadly still this is not enough for having quick results like we have in the UAE and USA because they are not rich like them, so things can bring changes but not significantly this will take time, and we can hope Nepal will be improved their quality in T20i which will bring them to better place in near future.
Recently we have the good number of matches in Kirtipur Cricket Stadium and fans were exciting about this which is also good sign for them sadly no big board in subcontinent is going ahead for the giving them better support but still they can alone win this fight which will help them for having their part in this game in near future.

Nepal has shown good improvements recently. But of course, they will have to prove themselves against bigger opponents. The only way to get recognized all around the world is to beat opponents who are better.

One example I can think of is Bangladesh. At first, they were not good enough to date anyone except Zimbabwe and Kenya. But they started getting some victories here and there against bigger opponents like Australia, England, India, and also South Africa. After that, they got the taste of victory. The main thing is, Bangladesh always tried to improve themselves. The same thing should be done by Nepal. It will also have to be as consistent as they can be.

darewaller

hero member

Activity: 2968

Merit: 640

Quote from: MusaPk on April 14, 2023, 05:13:35 AM

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

Recently we have good development in Nepal about cricket but sadly still this is not enough for having quick results like we have in the UAE and USA because they are not rich like them, so things can bring changes but not significantly this will take time, and we can hope Nepal will be improved their quality in T20i which will bring them to better place in near future.

Recently we have the good number of matches in Kirtipur Cricket Stadium and fans were exciting about this which is also good sign for them sadly no big board in subcontinent is going ahead for the giving them better support but still they can alone win this fight which will help them for having their part in this game in near future.

MusaPk

full member

Activity: 840

Merit: 213

Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 14, 2023, 03:44:37 AM

Quote from: MusaPk on April 13, 2023, 06:17:26 PM

Qatar atleast has 60% native players and remaining 40% are expats but still have the nationality. That's not the case with cricket, if you see teams of UAE then there is no local player as all are either from Pakistan or India. The downside of this approach is that nations that are passionate about cricket are suffering alot like Nepal. ICC has no objection on such team of expats which mean they will continue to have team like this.

Arabs are crazy about football and least interested in cricket. Whereas the ex-pats working and living in the middle east are least bothered about football but are crazy about cricket. So the government in these countries was already making money from soccer and now they have started doing the same for cricket. In a decade you might see some countries hosting the T20 world cup.

Nepal is not a nation where cricket is played more they are also crazy about soccer. Football has penetration at the school level and if they want cricket to thrive they need to work on some basics. Otherwise they have the option to always buy players for their national team.

In recent ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 the last part was played in Nepal and Kirtipur cricket stadium was full of spectators. From that massive crowd participation, one can infer that cricket is a popular sports in Nepal. Nepal also finished third in ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 which is there best ever performance. The good thing about having team of native players is that once your team and infrastructure is built, it will be there forever and this is not possible with team of expats.

pakhitheboss

hero member

Activity: 2156

Merit: 803

Top Crypto Casino

Quote from: MusaPk on April 13, 2023, 06:17:26 PM

Qatar atleast has 60% native players and remaining 40% are expats but still have the nationality. That's not the case with cricket, if you see teams of UAE then there is no local player as all are either from Pakistan or India. The downside of this approach is that nations that are passionate about cricket are suffering alot like Nepal. ICC has no objection on such team of expats which mean they will continue to have team like this.

Arabs are crazy about football and least interested in cricket. Whereas the ex-pats working and living in the middle east are least bothered about football but are crazy about cricket. So the government in these countries was already making money from soccer and now they have started doing the same for cricket. In a decade you might see some countries hosting the T20 world cup.

Nepal is not a nation where cricket is played more they are also crazy about soccer. Football has penetration at the school level and if they want cricket to thrive they need to work on some basics. Otherwise they have the option to always buy players for their national team.

ThemePen

hero member

Activity: 1008

Merit: 798

I stand with Palestine.

Quote from: MusaPk on April 13, 2023, 06:17:26 PM

Qatar atleast has 60% native players and remaining 40% are expats but still have the nationality. That's not the case with cricket, if you see teams of UAE then there is no local player as all are either from Pakistan or India. The downside of this approach is that nations that are passionate about cricket are suffering alot like Nepal. ICC has no objection on such team of expats which mean they will continue to have team like this.

Yes that's right ICC has no restrictions about the team players. Anyone can play but I think they should have nationality of this country. By the way this is not a big deal for a country to give nationality to a particular person which is really good for her county. And any country can choose beet players around the world but it will be a difficult work therefore they try to find from its own country.

Topic: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] - page 682. (Read 170460 times)