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Quote from: WatChe on April 10, 2023, 01:11:44 PM

This is dilemma of every board, players are more interested in money rich leagues like IPL. Last year CA restricted there players from joining IPL due to Australia tour to Pakistan. We have seen many examples where country is losing series as key players are busy playing T20 leagues. There must be some regulations on T20 leagues and international cricket. The restriction on Pakistani players to participate in IPL as now become a blessing for PCB as players are available for national duty in every series like the one coming up against NZ.

I would like to agreeing with you in this point, The way players are chasing money now, I think some countries will go back to the points table later on in the rating point. And especially those teams who are lower in the rankings will be at risk and may face problems in qualifying for the next international tournament due to missing this players.
I think the management board of each country should be stricter to control these activities of the players in addition to introducing rules for this, although there are many instances where the player has come back and played for the country.

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Quote from: posi on April 10, 2023, 02:41:26 PM

Restricting players to play in T20 leagues so that they can perform for the national team, actually forcing them to perform for the national team is not going to be the best solution in this case. If a player does not take pride in representing his own country, it is hard to make him do that.

It is true that West Indies players really want money. But at the same time, it is also true that the West Indies board is also very cheap and tries to keep a huge amount for themselves. I think all of this is happening because of the lack of transparency between the players and the cricket board.

WICB is right now in the worst situation with many issues are rising which are never been good for them because they are not one country having seven or eight countries are playing under one flag and its happening for the last one century which is never been easy they rule the world for long time but now recently they have many on and off the field issues which are creating problems, so many players are not happy to play for this team which is surely big dilemma for them and with this management is also failed to settle problems even they have still enough quality and good players but things going from bad to worse for them if they fail to fix these problems then surely we can have more troubling time in near future.

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Quote from: WatChe on April 10, 2023, 01:11:44 PM

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Arrogance and greed from the players was definitely one of the reasons. Most of them would prefer playing in franchise T20 cricket to national duty. But that was not the sole cause why West Indies cricket went down the drain. The West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) is also responsible in a large way to their own decline. Unlike other teams, the WICB is a union of more than a dozen different countries. This means that the selection process is very complicated and there is a lot of regional and ethnic bias that seeps in.

This is dilemma of every board, players are more interested in money rich leagues like IPL. Last year CA restricted there players from joining IPL due to Australia tour to Pakistan. We have seen many examples where country is losing series as key players are busy playing T20 leagues. There must be some regulations on T20 leagues and international cricket. The restriction on Pakistani players to participate in IPL as now become a blessing for PCB as players are available for national duty in every series like the one coming up against NZ.

Restricting players to play in T20 leagues so that they can perform for the national team, actually forcing them to perform for the national team is not going to be the best solution in this case. If a player does not take pride in representing his own country, it is hard to make him do that.

It is true that West Indies players really want money. But at the same time, it is also true that the West Indies board is also very cheap and tries to keep a huge amount for themselves. I think all of this is happening because of the lack of transparency between the players and the cricket board.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 09, 2023, 08:45:22 PM

Arrogance and greed from the players was definitely one of the reasons. Most of them would prefer playing in franchise T20 cricket to national duty. But that was not the sole cause why West Indies cricket went down the drain. The West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) is also responsible in a large way to their own decline. Unlike other teams, the WICB is a union of more than a dozen different countries. This means that the selection process is very complicated and there is a lot of regional and ethnic bias that seeps in.

But I believe it's also all about boards and their policies as well because few years back we have some things while they were dominating world but now in last few years they are having personal issues which are hurting them badly specially quota system for few local boards and other things which are bringing personal ego's as well even they have few top ranked players and management peoples those can settle things but no one interested to have any positive change just because of this right now situation is going from bad to worse.

After launching of CPL their financial situation is improving, so now they need to work on few solid policies which increase their quality and also having better package for top players which is also important.

This WICB union is nothing new we have 95 years rich history of this union which is having one of the best cricketers as well but now recently things are completely mess-up and too many big players are losing their passion with this now fans are also not happy with this all which need quick work otherwise as we will celebrate 100 years of this WICB we will be completely lost this all.

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Quote from: BobK71 on April 10, 2023, 12:47:18 PM

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West Indies were once the best in T20 but that reputation is losing day by day. They are lagging behind in almost all formats of cricket. They are quite weak especially in ODI cricket. Those who were once ODI World Cup winners in 1975 and 1979 now find it difficult to qualify for the World Cup. If this situation of the team has not yet come to the attention of the concerned cricket organization, then the future of West Indies cricket is dark.

West Indies has been a great team for a long period of time. They have been producing great players as well. We have got Brian Lara, Chris Gayle, Darren Sammy, and a lot of other great players through the West Indies. Now it is really sad to see what has been happening to the team. The West Indies team was really good in the T20 format even a few years ago. But recently West Indies has become a name that no one actually fears.

Not even in the T20 format. Of course, there are problems going on in the team and also on the board. There is a reason why West Indies players are very interested to play in T20 leagues but not very happy about representing West Indies as a national team player.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 09, 2023, 08:45:22 PM

Arrogance and greed from the players was definitely one of the reasons. Most of them would prefer playing in franchise T20 cricket to national duty. But that was not the sole cause why West Indies cricket went down the drain. The West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) is also responsible in a large way to their own decline. Unlike other teams, the WICB is a union of more than a dozen different countries. This means that the selection process is very complicated and there is a lot of regional and ethnic bias that seeps in.

This is dilemma of every board, players are more interested in money rich leagues like IPL. Last year CA restricted there players from joining IPL due to Australia tour to Pakistan. We have seen many examples where country is losing series as key players are busy playing T20 leagues. There must be some regulations on T20 leagues and international cricket. The restriction on Pakistani players to participate in IPL as now become a blessing for PCB as players are available for national duty in every series like the one coming up against NZ.

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Quote from: DanWalker on April 09, 2023, 12:24:31 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 08, 2023, 09:18:50 PM

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West Indies team is declining day after day. The most surprising thing is that the country whose players are most popular in T20 cricket fails to qualify for the T20 World Cup. Almost everyone knows that how vulnerable such a situation with their cricket. A few teams have been added in recent times which are more stronger Like USA and UAE. Both the teams have good players and these teams are driven by ্good foreign players. As a result, teams like Sri Lanka or West Indies can also be weak opponents for them.

Well.. I feel sad sometimes. There was a time (70s to 90s), when West Indies absolutely dominated international cricket. Now they need to play qualifier tournament to get into the ODI World Cup. They do have some of the best players in limited overs cricket. But the problem is that the main priority for these players is franchise T20 cricket, and not national duty. Look at the ongoing edition of the Indian Premier League. Once again, the West Indian players are among the star performers. But when it comes to representing the West Indian national team, their performance suddenly goes down the hill.

West Indies is currently performing well in only T20 cricket. Other than that I don’t see them performing well in any other format. That’s why I don’t think they are actually going to go deep into the upcoming ODI World Cup. And we can see the same thing happening when West Indies players are playing in franchise cricket. They are performing well because they play T20 well. But they don’t necessarily play well in other formats.

West Indies were once the best in T20 but that reputation is losing day by day. They are lagging behind in almost all formats of cricket. They are quite weak especially in ODI cricket. Those who were once ODI World Cup winners in 1975 and 1979 now find it difficult to qualify for the World Cup. If this situation of the team has not yet come to the attention of the concerned cricket organization, then the future of West Indies cricket is dark.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 09, 2023, 08:45:22 PM

Arrogance and greed from the players was definitely one of the reasons. Most of them would prefer playing in franchise T20 cricket to national duty. But that was not the sole cause why West Indies cricket went down the drain. The West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) is also responsible in a large way to their own decline. Unlike other teams, the WICB is a union of more than a dozen different countries. This means that the selection process is very complicated and there is a lot of regional and ethnic bias that seeps in.

Who is here in the world who don't want a luxury life. Everyone wants this knid of life. Just because of this the players greed become on peak. In my point of view the West Indies players keep their first priority is fame. And we all know that due to the T20 matches and the fast playing the West Indies get more fame and their big sixes are also very famous. I think WICB should take action and should select those players who play for the country not for the fame or money.

This is basic human nature that everyone wants fame , name and money and where ever they can get this from they'll go that side either its not for their own country. Although player should accept this fact that their national duty should be their first priority and they should never leave that for some money .

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 09, 2023, 08:45:22 PM

Arrogance and greed from the players was definitely one of the reasons. Most of them would prefer playing in franchise T20 cricket to national duty. But that was not the sole cause why West Indies cricket went down the drain. The West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) is also responsible in a large way to their own decline. Unlike other teams, the WICB is a union of more than a dozen different countries. This means that the selection process is very complicated and there is a lot of regional and ethnic bias that seeps in.

Who is here in the world who don't want a luxury life. Everyone wants this knid of life. Just because of this the players greed become on peak. In my point of view the West Indies players keep their first priority is fame. And we all know that due to the T20 matches and the fast playing the West Indies get more fame and their big sixes are also very famous. I think WICB should take action and should select those players who play for the country not for the fame or money.

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Quote from: Rabata on April 09, 2023, 07:06:00 AM

Who is responsible for the decline of Went Indies cricket? I realized that West Indies players don't have much interest in their national team. They are only found where the money. If a new player perform well in several matches, he quickly gets opportunities in various franchise teams in different leagues, he never dreams of progressing with the national team. Indifference of the players towards the national team ‍simultaneously there is no activity of the board. Due to both of the fact this team is slowly going down.

Arrogance and greed from the players was definitely one of the reasons. Most of them would prefer playing in franchise T20 cricket to national duty. But that was not the sole cause why West Indies cricket went down the drain. The West Indies Cricket Board (WICB) is also responsible in a large way to their own decline. Unlike other teams, the WICB is a union of more than a dozen different countries. This means that the selection process is very complicated and there is a lot of regional and ethnic bias that seeps in.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on April 09, 2023, 03:58:20 PM

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West Indies is currently performing well in only T20 cricket. Other than that I don’t see them performing well in any other format. That’s why I don’t think they are actually going to go deep into the upcoming ODI World Cup. And we can see the same thing happening when West Indies players are playing in franchise cricket. They are performing well because they play T20 well. But they don’t necessarily play well in other formats.

Where you watch West Indies performing well in T20i because I also watch their last few matches, and they were badly failed in this format as well with losing matches against teams like Ireland and Scotland never been ideal and after losing these matches they were unable to qualify for the T20i world cup in Australia mean currently they are badly down and out of the competition with their all current positions are in test match they are at 8th and then in ODI they are at 9th and in T20i they are currently at 7th with any time they can go down because Sri Lanka and Afghanistan are doing impressive job and have enough quality to bring them down at 9th spot which is actually their best spot for all formats in recent time.

Based on the performance against South Africa in the last T20 series the above user might've said that West Indies is playing really good in T20 cricket. Those matches were really good to watch and the performance is really awesome that none could've expected such a level of performance coming from West Indies team. This shows that the team is able to perform good and have got able players. The bad part, the same team that performed well used to loss very badly in consecutive matches. This used to be real problem with West Indies team staying at the bottom of the table in all formats of cricket.

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Quote from: DanWalker on April 09, 2023, 12:24:31 PM

West Indies is currently performing well in only T20 cricket. Other than that I don’t see them performing well in any other format. That’s why I don’t think they are actually going to go deep into the upcoming ODI World Cup. And we can see the same thing happening when West Indies players are playing in franchise cricket. They are performing well because they play T20 well. But they don’t necessarily play well in other formats.

Where you watch West Indies performing well in T20i because I also watch their last few matches, and they were badly failed in this format as well with losing matches against teams like Ireland and Scotland never been ideal and after losing these matches they were unable to qualify for the T20i world cup in Australia mean currently they are badly down and out of the competition with their all current positions are in test match they are at 8th and then in ODI they are at 9th and in T20i they are currently at 7th with any time they can go down because Sri Lanka and Afghanistan are doing impressive job and have enough quality to bring them down at 9th spot which is actually their best spot for all formats in recent time.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 08, 2023, 09:18:50 PM

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West Indies team is declining day after day. The most surprising thing is that the country whose players are most popular in T20 cricket fails to qualify for the T20 World Cup. Almost everyone knows that how vulnerable such a situation with their cricket. A few teams have been added in recent times which are more stronger Like USA and UAE. Both the teams have good players and these teams are driven by ্good foreign players. As a result, teams like Sri Lanka or West Indies can also be weak opponents for them.

Well.. I feel sad sometimes. There was a time (70s to 90s), when West Indies absolutely dominated international cricket. Now they need to play qualifier tournament to get into the ODI World Cup. They do have some of the best players in limited overs cricket. But the problem is that the main priority for these players is franchise T20 cricket, and not national duty. Look at the ongoing edition of the Indian Premier League. Once again, the West Indian players are among the star performers. But when it comes to representing the West Indian national team, their performance suddenly goes down the hill.

West Indies is currently performing well in only T20 cricket. Other than that I don’t see them performing well in any other format. That’s why I don’t think they are actually going to go deep into the upcoming ODI World Cup. And we can see the same thing happening when West Indies players are playing in franchise cricket. They are performing well because they play T20 well. But they don’t necessarily play well in other formats.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 08, 2023, 09:18:50 PM

Quote from: BobK71 on April 08, 2023, 11:47:15 AM

West Indies team is declining day after day. The most surprising thing is that the country whose players are most popular in T20 cricket fails to qualify for the T20 World Cup. Almost everyone knows that how vulnerable such a situation with their cricket. A few teams have been added in recent times which are more stronger Like USA and UAE. Both the teams have good players and these teams are driven by ্good foreign players. As a result, teams like Sri Lanka or West Indies can also be weak opponents for them.

Well.. I feel sad sometimes. There was a time (70s to 90s), when West Indies absolutely dominated international cricket. Now they need to play qualifier tournament to get into the ODI World Cup. They do have some of the best players in limited overs cricket. But the problem is that the main priority for these players is franchise T20 cricket, and not national duty. Look at the ongoing edition of the Indian Premier League. Once again, the West Indian players are among the star performers. But when it comes to representing the West Indian national team, their performance suddenly goes down the hill.

Who is responsible for the decline of Went Indies cricket? I realized that West Indies players don't have much interest in their national team. They are only found where the money. If a new player perform well in several matches, he quickly gets opportunities in various franchise teams in different leagues, he never dreams of progressing with the national team. Indifference of the players towards the national team ‍simultaneously there is no activity of the board. Due to both of the fact this team is slowly going down.

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Quote from: BobK71 on April 08, 2023, 11:47:15 AM

West Indies team is declining day after day. The most surprising thing is that the country whose players are most popular in T20 cricket fails to qualify for the T20 World Cup. Almost everyone knows that how vulnerable such a situation with their cricket. A few teams have been added in recent times which are more stronger Like USA and UAE. Both the teams have good players and these teams are driven by ্good foreign players. As a result, teams like Sri Lanka or West Indies can also be weak opponents for them.

Well.. I feel sad sometimes. There was a time (70s to 90s), when West Indies absolutely dominated international cricket. Now they need to play qualifier tournament to get into the ODI World Cup. They do have some of the best players in limited overs cricket. But the problem is that the main priority for these players is franchise T20 cricket, and not national duty. Look at the ongoing edition of the Indian Premier League. Once again, the West Indian players are among the star performers. But when it comes to representing the West Indian national team, their performance suddenly goes down the hill.

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Quote from: n0ne on April 06, 2023, 06:53:02 PM

If every team needs to play with the native players, then this is going to be tough as many teams have got foreign players. They might have played or haven't played for the home country, now they're part of a national team. Though they're immigrants and the country have given the opportunity. Let the serve the nation that have given life for them.

UAE is really strong and at times the performance used to be very bad. In the match from the beginning UAE stood strong and developed partnership after the first wicket. This helped the the team make 284 runs. Jersey had good start, once the wickets started to fall, they were unable to have control and develop partnership. Anyhow cricketing have improved a lot from these teams.

These foreign players are playing in the team as national team players because ICC is just loose about it. ICC is not doing anything to prevent it. I can see they are actually encouraging this.

I would rather prefer teams playing with native players and trying to get better at the game instead of teams just having foreign players who are there just because they could not make it in their own country, and they are just playing cricket for money, not for glory.

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Of course, these two teams are the strongest among all that are left. These two are the strongest by far. No other team is actually going to come even close to them. These two, Sri Lanka and West Indies are performing well even against regular cricket-playing nations. Beating some associate relations, and very weak opponents are not going to be very problematic for them.

And it is also true that these two can gain revenue. Sri Lanka can often upset, bigger opponents, and West Indies can always entertain people with big hitting.

No doubt these are strong teams with good experience and quality but now time changing quickly, and we can expect any upset as well with most chances Sri Lanka is hot favorite for the qualification, but I have some doubts about West Indies because their performance is no consistent, and they are having few problems which can give them another shock as we have few months back while they fail to qualify for the T20i world cup due to bad performance, so any result can happen here as well with Ireland, Netherlands, Zimbabwe and USA are teams which are capable of giving their best on their day and in ODI any bad day can ruin your all event we have too many results like these, so even I also believe about these two teams could be in World Cup but keep these teams in mind as well here ICC doing few bad things as reducing teams which is surely not good they need to have 12 or 14 teams for this event.

West Indies team is declining day after day. The most surprising thing is that the country whose players are most popular in T20 cricket fails to qualify for the T20 World Cup. Almost everyone knows that how vulnerable such a situation with their cricket. A few teams have been added in recent times which are more stronger Like USA and UAE. Both the teams have good players and these teams are driven by ্good foreign players. As a result, teams like Sri Lanka or West Indies can also be weak opponents for them.

The team hadn't qualified for the ODI World Cup. The team is to play the qualifier. West Indies is a team that used to play the best as well as the worst cricket in consecutive matches. This makes the performance from the team unpredictable. New teams into the fight to get qualified is very low, because experience have got upper hands.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on April 08, 2023, 02:59:19 PM

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West Indies team is declining day after day. The most surprising thing is that the country whose players are most popular in T20 cricket fails to qualify for the T20 World Cup. Almost everyone knows that how vulnerable such a situation with their cricket.

There is always dispute with the West Indies Cricket board and the players and on top of that they are all from different Island Countries playing under West Indies. They get more money from franchise Cricket and hence majority are playing them rather than under West Indies.

West Indian ship is already drown and now with the involvement of politics and quota system things going from bad to worse side even still they have few quality players but due to inner politics things are not in positive way so just because of this many players are involved in franchise cricket despite having amazing quality not interested to play for their national team now from here if they want to bring positive changes then surely they need to sit and have one fair policy for all three formats and end this quota system as well which is bringing dispute between these boards and players.

Situation is not positive and with this no one capable of having one team which give them better result they are also not able to sit and have settled things which are bringing them in negativity which is also the biggest blunder now It's time they are fighting hard for the qualification of world cup after losing their spot in T20i world cup even they won title few times few years back.

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Quote from: BobK71 on April 08, 2023, 11:47:15 AM

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West Indies team is declining day after day. The most surprising thing is that the country whose players are most popular in T20 cricket fails to qualify for the T20 World Cup. Almost everyone knows that how vulnerable such a situation with their cricket.

There is always dispute with the West Indies Cricket board and the players and on top of that they are all from different Island Countries playing under West Indies. They get more money from franchise Cricket and hence majority are playing them rather than under West Indies.

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A few teams have been added in recent times which are more stronger Like USA and UAE. Both the teams have good players and these teams are driven by ্good foreign players. As a result, teams like Sri Lanka or West Indies can also be weak opponents for them.

I doubt USA or UAE could beat West Indies or Sri Lanka even when they are having an off day. Against other Associate countries they are a better team but not against major teams.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on April 08, 2023, 06:22:40 AM

Quote from: Minecache on April 07, 2023, 12:58:22 PM

Of course, these two teams are the strongest among all that are left. These two are the strongest by far. No other team is actually going to come even close to them. These two, Sri Lanka and West Indies are performing well even against regular cricket-playing nations. Beating some associate relations, and very weak opponents are not going to be very problematic for them.
And it is also true that these two can gain revenue. Sri Lanka can often upset, bigger opponents, and West Indies can always entertain people with big hitting.

No doubt these are strong teams with good experience and quality but now time changing quickly, and we can expect any upset as well with most chances Sri Lanka is hot favorite for the qualification, but I have some doubts about West Indies because their performance is no consistent, and they are having few problems which can give them another shock as we have few months back while they fail to qualify for the T20i world cup due to bad performance, so any result can happen here as well with Ireland, Netherlands, Zimbabwe and USA are teams which are capable of giving their best on their day and in ODI any bad day can ruin your all event we have too many results like these, so even I also believe about these two teams could be in World Cup but keep these teams in mind as well here ICC doing few bad things as reducing teams which is surely not good they need to have 12 or 14 teams for this event.

Sri Lanka and West Indies are surely going to qualify. My opinion is that other teams are just not capable enough. I know that West Indies has been quite inconsistent in recent times. But I don’t think that is going to stop them from qualifying for the World Cup. And about the number of teams in the tournament, I believe it should be much higher. At least 25 if not more.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on April 08, 2023, 05:49:24 AM

West Indies have some great players with them interms of batting already surprised to see them in qualifiers.
Sirlanka is a good team too they can play good cricket in terms of balling.
Looking forward to see them in world cup .

It is not surprising that the West Indies and Sri Lanka are looking good going into the competition because they both have a great cricketing tradition and some extremely excellent players. Even though the West Indies have to compete in qualifiers, they have often demonstrated their ability to punch above their weight and take everyone by surprise. Similar to this, Sri Lanka has some excellent bowling talent and if they can produce a consistent showing they will undoubtedly make an impact in the competition. I'm eager to see what these two teams have to offer since it is wonderful to watch underdog teams succeed.

It is actually a little sad to see them in this situation. They are generally a lot better compared to what we are currently seeing. To be honest, I am not very interested in ICC tournaments, especially two of them anymore. Those are the ODI in the World Cup and also the test world championship.

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