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Quote from: keyscore44 on January 14, 2023, 04:31:36 PM

One great achievement of Bangladesh women cricket team against Aussie
the Bangladesh women cricket team made a history by defeating Aussie team. NOone talked about women victory - congrats to Bangladesh for great win

A big achievement from Bangladesh Women's team. I've been searching around for the match between Australia Women and Bangladesh Women. To be clear, it was U-19 Women's Worldcup match and Bangladesh Women have won it. Australia Women have won the toss and elected to bat, and made 130 runs losing 5 wickets. Bangladesh women team have reached the target in 18 overs losing 3 wickets which is a big win.

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Quote from: |MINER| on January 14, 2023, 01:52:35 PM

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on January 14, 2023, 09:19:11 AM

Surely Pakistan try their best even they lost two quick wickets after this Fakhar Zaman and Mohammad Rizwan have big partnership which helps them for having score like 280 which is not bad and during bowling their bowlers and run-outs helps them for having chance to win, but GP was big difference in this all who play one of the best inning of his career and give vital win to his team with series win as well, and they are ending this tour on happy note.

For me Pakistan's change in bowling with Naseem Shah drop and bringing Mohammad Hasnain was not good idea specially while you are playing final game and your bowler is doing good job, this was vital for them and big cause for the lost of this match and series.

Pakistan did not try well. NZ did well. They really played well like a team.
Babar Azam poor performance has made the cricket board decide that they are going to change the test cricket captain. I think the addition of Najam Sethi is a poor decision already and is reflected by the poor performance of the team.

It is true that Pakistan lost the last match as well as the series. But I don't agree that they didn't give any effort in the match, because if you see that 280 runs in ODI format is not a small amount. I think the match ended with a very close performance with New Zealand having only 2 wickets to spare.
Looking at the ODI series, I think Pakistan gave enough effort in two matches except the second out of the three matches, one of which was a successful result and the other was a failure.

One great achievement of Bangladesh women cricket team against Aussie
the Bangladesh women cricket team made a history by defeating Aussie team. NOone talked about women victory - congrats to Bangladesh for great win

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Quote from: |MINER| on January 14, 2023, 01:52:35 PM

It is true that Pakistan lost the last match as well as the series. But I don't agree that they didn't give any effort in the match, because if you see that 280 runs in ODI format is not a small amount. I think the match ended with a very close performance with New Zealand having only 2 wickets to spare.
Looking at the ODI series, I think Pakistan gave enough effort in two matches except the second out of the three matches, one of which was a successful result and the other was a failure.

Pakistan is generously hosting the home series and fans are generously clapping for the guests.
But then again - winning and loosing is the part of game. I think after the departure of Ramiz Raja - the team is not stable at all. Even Babar Azam is not sure if he will remain captain or not.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 14, 2023, 01:46:57 PM

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 14, 2023, 09:42:47 AM

Hmm so Pakistan ended their home season with no series win? This must be some kind of record.

Lost test series against Aussie
Lost T-20 series against Poms. 3-nil test series against the same opponent
Draw test series against Kiwis, followed by ODI loss.

I'm missing something or they won any series, did they play any white ball cricket against Australia?

Yes they played ODI series against Australia and that's there only home series win in last year. Pakistan was favorite for WTC final as they were scheduled to play against Australia, England and New Zealand at home and rest is history. It was first time that Pakistan is whitewashed at home in test series. Whats next? I can see Babar losing Captaincy in Test format and Sarfraz taking over Test Captaincy.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-in-pakistan-2021-22-1288300/pakistan-vs-australia-3rd-odi-1288315/full-scorecard

Aha well, at least they won something.

Otherwise, they were the really generous hosts for every touring team and their batters, they truly handed out countless tons to everyone on silver platters.

And what about limited overs captaincy?

Performance of Babar as a player is extraordinary but not as a captain. After every Test, ODI and T20 match we listen Babar has made this and that record, while team is busy making terrible records.
Pakistan is not playing much ODIs so there is no clear picture about how they are performing in ODIs. Last year they played only 9 ODIs (3 against Australia, 3 against Netherland and 3 against West Indies) they won all three series.
I think Babar will retain captaincy of T20 and ODI, as there performance in these two formats is somewhat "satisfactory" when compared with Test.

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Quote from: sovie on January 14, 2023, 01:31:13 PM

Quote from: TheGreatPython on January 14, 2023, 09:19:11 AM

Surely Pakistan try their best even they lost two quick wickets after this Fakhar Zaman and Mohammad Rizwan have big partnership which helps them for having score like 280 which is not bad and during bowling their bowlers and run-outs helps them for having chance to win, but GP was big difference in this all who play one of the best inning of his career and give vital win to his team with series win as well, and they are ending this tour on happy note.

For me Pakistan's change in bowling with Naseem Shah drop and bringing Mohammad Hasnain was not good idea specially while you are playing final game and your bowler is doing good job, this was vital for them and big cause for the lost of this match and series.

Pakistan did not try well. NZ did well. They really played well like a team.
Babar Azam poor performance has made the cricket board decide that they are going to change the test cricket captain. I think the addition of Najam Sethi is a poor decision already and is reflected by the poor performance of the team.

It is true that Pakistan lost the last match as well as the series. But I don't agree that they didn't give any effort in the match, because if you see that 280 runs in ODI format is not a small amount. I think the match ended with a very close performance with New Zealand having only 2 wickets to spare.
Looking at the ODI series, I think Pakistan gave enough effort in two matches except the second out of the three matches, one of which was a successful result and the other was a failure.

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Quote from: WatChe on January 14, 2023, 10:06:56 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 14, 2023, 09:42:47 AM

Hmm so Pakistan ended their home season with no series win? This must be some kind of record.

Lost test series against Aussie
Lost T-20 series against Poms. 3-nil test series against the same opponent
Draw test series against Kiwis, followed by ODI loss.

I'm missing something or they won any series, did they play any white ball cricket against Australia?

Yes they played ODI series against Australia and that's there only home series win in last year. Pakistan was favorite for WTC final as they were scheduled to play against Australia, England and New Zealand at home and rest is history. It was first time that Pakistan is whitewashed at home in test series. Whats next? I can see Babar losing Captaincy in Test format and Sarfraz taking over Test Captaincy.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-in-pakistan-2021-22-1288300/pakistan-vs-australia-3rd-odi-1288315/full-scorecard

Aha well, at least they won something.

Otherwise, they were the really generous hosts for every touring team and their batters, they truly handed out countless tons to everyone on silver platters.

And what about limited overs captaincy?

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on January 14, 2023, 09:19:11 AM

Surely Pakistan try their best even they lost two quick wickets after this Fakhar Zaman and Mohammad Rizwan have big partnership which helps them for having score like 280 which is not bad and during bowling their bowlers and run-outs helps them for having chance to win, but GP was big difference in this all who play one of the best inning of his career and give vital win to his team with series win as well, and they are ending this tour on happy note.

For me Pakistan's change in bowling with Naseem Shah drop and bringing Mohammad Hasnain was not good idea specially while you are playing final game and your bowler is doing good job, this was vital for them and big cause for the lost of this match and series.

Pakistan did not try well. NZ did well. They really played well like a team.
Babar Azam poor performance has made the cricket board decide that they are going to change the test cricket captain. I think the addition of Najam Sethi is a poor decision already and is reflected by the poor performance of the team.

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Quote from: ilovealtcoins on January 14, 2023, 10:14:08 AM

Quote from: WatChe on January 14, 2023, 10:06:56 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 14, 2023, 09:42:47 AM

Hmm so Pakistan ended their home season with no series win? This must be some kind of record.
Lost test series against Aussie
Lost T-20 series against Poms. 3-nil test series against the same opponent
Draw test series against Kiwis, followed by ODI loss.
I'm missing something or they won any series, did they play any white ball cricket against Australia?

Yes they played ODI series against Australia and that's there only home series win in last year. Pakistan was favorite for WTC final as they were scheduled to play against Australia, England and New Zealand at home and rest is history. It was first time that Pakistan is whitewashed at home in test series. Whats next? I can see Babar losing Captaincy in Test format and Sarfraz taking over Test Captaincy.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-in-pakistan-2021-22-1288300/pakistan-vs-australia-3rd-odi-1288315/full-scorecard

Pakistan did play test cricket against Australia in March. Australia won that series as well. 1-0 was the score. Pakistan does not have too many achievements in 2022. A big reason for that is Pakistan not being able to perform consistently and depending on certain players too much. It is going to take a little time for Pakistan to fix these problems. But I believe that Pakistan will be able to eventually fix those problems.

What so ever happened in past now Pakistan should seriously consider this defeat and start working on that. Pakistan is right now on an alarming turn with too many defeats in a row and draws on test series. Pakistani team is good there are different type of players PCB should just help them train and overcome their weaknesses despite of selecting new team.
Now psl is around the corner and there are going to be some interesting matches.

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Quote from: WatChe on January 14, 2023, 10:06:56 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 14, 2023, 09:42:47 AM

Hmm so Pakistan ended their home season with no series win? This must be some kind of record.
Lost test series against Aussie
Lost T-20 series against Poms. 3-nil test series against the same opponent
Draw test series against Kiwis, followed by ODI loss.
I'm missing something or they won any series, did they play any white ball cricket against Australia?

Yes they played ODI series against Australia and that's there only home series win in last year. Pakistan was favorite for WTC final as they were scheduled to play against Australia, England and New Zealand at home and rest is history. It was first time that Pakistan is whitewashed at home in test series. Whats next? I can see Babar losing Captaincy in Test format and Sarfraz taking over Test Captaincy.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-in-pakistan-2021-22-1288300/pakistan-vs-australia-3rd-odi-1288315/full-scorecard

Pakistan did play test cricket against Australia in March. Australia won that series as well. 1-0 was the score. Pakistan does not have too many achievements in 2022. A big reason for that is Pakistan not being able to perform consistently and depending on certain players too much. It is going to take a little time for Pakistan to fix these problems. But I believe that Pakistan will be able to eventually fix those problems.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 14, 2023, 09:42:47 AM

Hmm so Pakistan ended their home season with no series win? This must be some kind of record.

Lost test series against Aussie
Lost T-20 series against Poms. 3-nil test series against the same opponent
Draw test series against Kiwis, followed by ODI loss.

I'm missing something or they won any series, did they play any white ball cricket against Australia?

Yes they played ODI series against Australia and that's there only home series win in last year. Pakistan was favorite for WTC final as they were scheduled to play against Australia, England and New Zealand at home and rest is history. It was first time that Pakistan is whitewashed at home in test series. Whats next? I can see Babar losing Captaincy in Test format and Sarfraz taking over Test Captaincy.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-in-pakistan-2021-22-1288300/pakistan-vs-australia-3rd-odi-1288315/full-scorecard

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 14, 2023, 09:42:47 AM

Hmm so Pakistan ended their home season with no series win? This must be some kind of record.

Lost test series against Aussie
Lost T-20 series against Poms. 3-nil test series against the same opponent
Draw test series against Kiwis, followed by ODI loss.

I'm missing something or they won any series, did they play any white ball cricket against Australia?

Its no doubt a very poor performance by Pakistan against Aus, England and NZ. There is no test win which is alarmingly for domestic cricket in Pakistan. I think its mainly because Pakistan cricket is focusing mainly on T20 format and very little attention is paid to ODI and Test format. ODI world cup is coming up next and I dont think Pakistan will be able to perform better there.

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Hmm so Pakistan ended their home season with no series win? This must be some kind of record.

Lost test series against Aussie
Lost T-20 series against Poms. 3-nil test series against the same opponent
Draw test series against Kiwis, followed by ODI loss.

I'm missing something or they won any series, did they play any white ball cricket against Australia?

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Quote from: BobK71 on January 13, 2023, 10:52:37 PM

The series decider match between Pakistan and New Zealand was entertaining. New Zealand got a hard fought victory. Although there was confusion towards the end of the match, New Zealand succeeded from that position. In the entire of the New Zealand match Glenn Phillips was unbeaten on 63 off 42 balls. New Zealand won the series by 2 wickets in his good batting. At the start of the game, it looked like Pakistan could win but it didn't happen. The Pakistani bowlers failed to pick up two wickets and New Zealand won the match on that occasion. All in all this ODI series has been quite enjoyable.

Yes Pakistan tried hard in their last ODI, they gave a good target and put pressure on Newzealand but they somewhat escaped that pressure and Glenn Phillips helped his team towards victory. A good match played between them Newzealand has a very stable balling and batting side they deserved this win.
Pakistan batting side was unstable only 3 batsman scores runs fakhar zaman, Rizwan and Agha Salman other than that all batsman couldn't enter double digit.

Surely Pakistan try their best even they lost two quick wickets after this Fakhar Zaman and Mohammad Rizwan have big partnership which helps them for having score like 280 which is not bad and during bowling their bowlers and run-outs helps them for having chance to win, but GP was big difference in this all who play one of the best inning of his career and give vital win to his team with series win as well, and they are ending this tour on happy note.

For me Pakistan's change in bowling with Naseem Shah drop and bringing Mohammad Hasnain was not good idea specially while you are playing final game and your bowler is doing good job, this was vital for them and big cause for the lost of this match and series.

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Quote from: BobK71 on January 14, 2023, 05:47:08 AM

When the Test match between Pakistan and New Zealand was underway, it was assumed that Pakistan would probably have the advantage of home ground. But the picture on the field was different. There were two draws but those were tough for Pakistan. But still it was thought that maybe Pakistan can win the ODI series even if they don't whitewash but that didn't happen either. At one point they lost two consecutive ODIs and also lose the series.

There is no doubt Pakistan having home advantage but their current off the field issues and poor captaincy and issues in selection all were against them which is a bigger cause of their defeat in this ODI series lost most chances now in next few days we will have big changes like Babar Azam can lose his captaincy with now they are going to have two captains in red ball and white ball which will help to off load pressure and then Babar Azam will also able to perform better in batting which is most important for the Pakistan right now because they are going down in this department just because of their selection process which is not helpful for them and their batsmen.

As after this series they have long time for doing changes and bringing better system for their team which will help them for having better results because in last few months they are going badly down specially in red ball format.

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Quote from: ThemePen on January 14, 2023, 01:39:58 AM

Yes they tried really well and but the New Zealand was strong in this match. The match was interesting and both teams were trying to win the series. But unfortunately Pakistan lose the match.
I written in my previous reply that if every player of Pakistan's team will play its role so they can easily win the match. But few has played well. So result is infront of us. :

Pakistan got off to a good start by defeating New Zealand by 6 wickets in the first ODI match but New Zealand performed brilliantly in two consecutive matches to take the ODI series under their belt. Neither Pakistan nor New Zealand could win the two Tests instead the two Tests were drawn but in Pakistan's home venue everyone expected New Zealand to be whitewashed but in reality New Zealand won the ODI series by 2-1 against Pakistan. Now all Pakistani players are busy playing Bangladesh Premium League.

When the Test match between Pakistan and New Zealand was underway, it was assumed that Pakistan would probably have the advantage of home ground. But the picture on the field was different. There were two draws but those were tough for Pakistan. But still it was thought that maybe Pakistan can win the ODI series even if they don't whitewash but that didn't happen either. At one point they lost two consecutive ODIs and also lose the series.

Of course, that target was enough. But Pakistan could not defend that successfully. If Pakistan could somehow get Glen Philips out I think that could have been the game for Pakistan. That, in the end, Glen Philips and the extra runs that Pakistan gave away were the problems for Pakistan.

New Zealand is the winner of this series. However, it was not a comfortable win for New Zealand at all. They had to fight really hard to win this series. Rizwan and Fakhar Zaman played really well in this match. But they needed a little more help from the team. If Pakistan reached 300 and gave less than 10 runs extra it could have been their match.

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Quote from: LDL on January 14, 2023, 04:49:17 AM

Quote from: ThemePen on January 14, 2023, 01:39:58 AM

Yes they tried really well and but the New Zealand was strong in this match. The match was interesting and both teams were trying to win the series. But unfortunately Pakistan lose the match.
I written in my previous reply that if every player of Pakistan's team will play its role so they can easily win the match. But few has played well. So result is infront of us. :

Pakistan got off to a good start by defeating New Zealand by 6 wickets in the first ODI match but New Zealand performed brilliantly in two consecutive matches to take the ODI series under their belt. Neither Pakistan nor New Zealand could win the two Tests instead the two Tests were drawn but in Pakistan's home venue everyone expected New Zealand to be whitewashed but in reality New Zealand won the ODI series by 2-1 against Pakistan. Now all Pakistani players are busy playing Bangladesh Premium League.

When the Test match between Pakistan and New Zealand was underway, it was assumed that Pakistan would probably have the advantage of home ground. But the picture on the field was different. There were two draws but those were tough for Pakistan. But still it was thought that maybe Pakistan can win the ODI series even if they don't whitewash but that didn't happen either. At one point they lost two consecutive ODIs and also lose the series.

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Quote from: LDL on January 14, 2023, 04:49:17 AM

Quote from: ThemePen on January 14, 2023, 01:39:58 AM

Yes they tried really well and but the New Zealand was strong in this match. The match was interesting and both teams were trying to win the series. But unfortunately Pakistan lose the match.
I written in my previous reply that if every player of Pakistan's team will play its role so they can easily win the match. But few has played well. So result is infront of us. :

Pakistan got off to a good start by defeating New Zealand by 6 wickets in the first ODI match but New Zealand performed brilliantly in two consecutive matches to take the ODI series under their belt. Neither Pakistan nor New Zealand could win the two Tests instead the two Tests were drawn but in Pakistan's home venue everyone expected New Zealand to be whitewashed but in reality New Zealand won the ODI series by 2-1 against Pakistan. Now all Pakistani players are busy playing Bangladesh Premium League.

Few players are busy playing Bangladesh Premier League not all , and those are mostly ones who didn't got selected in recent squad .
Talking about yesterday Pakistan performance was not bad they played good but obviously Newzealand was better thats why they won the match.

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Quote from: ThemePen on January 14, 2023, 01:39:58 AM

Yes they tried really well and but the New Zealand was strong in this match. The match was interesting and both teams were trying to win the series. But unfortunately Pakistan lose the match.
I written in my previous reply that if every player of Pakistan's team will play its role so they can easily win the match. But few has played well. So result is infront of us. :

Pakistan got off to a good start by defeating New Zealand by 6 wickets in the first ODI match but New Zealand performed brilliantly in two consecutive matches to take the ODI series under their belt. Neither Pakistan nor New Zealand could win the two Tests instead the two Tests were drawn but in Pakistan's home venue everyone expected New Zealand to be whitewashed but in reality New Zealand won the ODI series by 2-1 against Pakistan. Now all Pakistani players are busy playing Bangladesh Premium League.

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Quote from: BobK71 on January 13, 2023, 10:52:37 PM

The series decider match between Pakistan and New Zealand was entertaining. New Zealand got a hard fought victory. Although there was confusion towards the end of the match, New Zealand succeeded from that position. In the entire of the New Zealand match Glenn Phillips was unbeaten on 63 off 42 balls. New Zealand won the series by 2 wickets in his good batting. At the start of the game, it looked like Pakistan could win but it didn't happen. The Pakistani bowlers failed to pick up two wickets and New Zealand won the match on that occasion. All in all this ODI series has been quite enjoyable.

Yes Pakistan tried hard in their last ODI, they gave a good target and put pressure on Newzealand but they somewhat escaped that pressure and Glenn Phillips helped his team towards victory. A good match played between them Newzealand has a very stable balling and batting side they deserved this win.
Pakistan batting side was unstable only 3 batsman scores runs fakhar zaman, Rizwan and Agha Salman other than that all batsman couldn't enter double digit.

Yes they tried really well and but the New Zealand was strong in this match. The match was interesting and both teams were trying to win the series. But unfortunately Pakistan lose the match.
I written in my previous reply that if every player of Pakistan's team will play its role so they can easily win the match. But few has played well. So result is infront of us.

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Quote from: BobK71 on January 13, 2023, 10:52:37 PM

The series decider match between Pakistan and New Zealand was entertaining. New Zealand got a hard fought victory. Although there was confusion towards the end of the match, New Zealand succeeded from that position. In the entire of the New Zealand match Glenn Phillips was unbeaten on 63 off 42 balls. New Zealand won the series by 2 wickets in his good batting. At the start of the game, it looked like Pakistan could win but it didn't happen. The Pakistani bowlers failed to pick up two wickets and New Zealand won the match on that occasion. All in all this ODI series has been quite enjoyable.

Yes Pakistan tried hard in their last ODI, they gave a good target and put pressure on Newzealand but they somewhat escaped that pressure and Glenn Phillips helped his team towards victory. A good match played between them Newzealand has a very stable balling and batting side they deserved this win.
Pakistan batting side was unstable only 3 batsman scores runs fakhar zaman, Rizwan and Agha Salman other than that all batsman couldn't enter double digit.

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