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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 03, 2022, 08:42:07 PM

Quote from: Vaskiy on October 03, 2022, 06:53:05 PM

For now ICC doesn't have any other go other than increasing the number of teams. Till date ICC tries to keep everything under control, and having more teams might affect the persons who are in the top authority. Real cricket lovers always stays with the test cricket, but the revenue making and time constraints have moved people to watch T20 and T10 matches more than the test and ODI matches.

The number of teams is being increased. But the problem is that most of the teams that qualify are "fake" national teams without any native players. And that is not going to do anything towards increasing the popularity of cricket. And in order to waste resources, the ICC need to cut down the number of test matches. Test cricket is dying, and there is no point in diverting the resources to a losing cause when it can be better utilized elsewhere. 3-4 test matches a year should be enough, and remaining time should be devoted to T20 cricket.

Yes this is true. When the viewers or audiences are losing interest, investment in test matches are expected to nothing but losses. Especially in Asia, the importance of test match is reduced day by day. Local cricket boards are not willing to keep test match in the series. Since T20 has more viewers, ICC should give more importance to T20 along with ODI format.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on October 03, 2022, 06:53:05 PM

For now ICC doesn't have any other go other than increasing the number of teams. Till date ICC tries to keep everything under control, and having more teams might affect the persons who are in the top authority. Real cricket lovers always stays with the test cricket, but the revenue making and time constraints have moved people to watch T20 and T10 matches more than the test and ODI matches.

The number of teams is being increased. But the problem is that most of the teams that qualify are "fake" national teams without any native players. And that is not going to do anything towards increasing the popularity of cricket. And in order to waste resources, the ICC need to cut down the number of test matches. Test cricket is dying, and there is no point in diverting the resources to a losing cause when it can be better utilized elsewhere. 3-4 test matches a year should be enough, and remaining time should be devoted to T20 cricket.

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Quote from: DanWalker on October 03, 2022, 06:44:20 AM

@BobK71 you are right, that even though ICC is actually trying to do better it probably seems too late. The era of test cricket and One-Day Internationals are going to be dead very soon. The era of T20 and t10 is going to start very soon as well and ICC will not have any options other than increasing the number of teams in the tournaments.

For now ICC doesn't have any other go other than increasing the number of teams. Till date ICC tries to keep everything under control, and having more teams might affect the persons who are in the top authority. Real cricket lovers always stays with the test cricket, but the revenue making and time constraints have moved people to watch T20 and T10 matches more than the test and ODI matches.

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Quote from: DanWalker on October 03, 2022, 06:44:20 AM

I agree with @Sithara007 because I really think that the qualification process is not fair in the ICC in almost any competition. And not only talking about the men's competition. We have recently seen how unfair it was for Thailand women not to get qualified. Instead, ICC decided to give the spot to Pakistani women.

@BobK71 you are right, that even though ICC is actually trying to do better it probably seems too late. The era of test cricket and One-Day Internationals are going to be dead very soon. The era of T20 and t10 is going to start very soon as well and ICC will not have any options other than increasing the number of teams in the tournaments.

I believe people are not liking test cricket much
they are. more fan of fast cricket - the coulour and glittz is always so attractive to the people and fan

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Quote from: BobK71 on October 02, 2022, 07:06:44 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on October 02, 2022, 05:56:47 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 29, 2022, 06:07:23 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 29, 2022, 12:37:08 AM

From ICC and the broadcaster's point of view, 70% of revenue loss is not so little and it comes from just 1 source.
We've discussed many times here and everyone is very critical on how unfair is to organize only 10-12 team WC, including the qualification process. But at the same time we have to be practical as well, after all, this money subsidizes cricket in smaller cricketing nations.

If the ICC want to limit the number of teams to 10 or 12, it is OK. But then there should be a fair qualification pathway. What happens now is that ODI ranking decides the 8 slots (where associate nations are not included), and the qualification tournament decides only the last two slots. In other sports, direct qualification is provided to only one team (hosts). Even giving direct entry to 2-3 teams is OK. But doing so for 80% of the participants is a sham. In FIFA World Cup, even teams like Brazil and Germany needs to play the qualifying tournament.

Right now cricket is not played by majority of countries as compare to football. ICC should introduce cricket in different countries to make it qualifying process more diverse and fair. Cricket is for now limited to few countries that's y we have lesser teams and unfair competition, with diversity there comes fair rankings.

ICC is trying to do that even though it is late. Maybe it could have been done more strongly. If you look at the ICC ranking list, there are 20 countries named included. Cricket has just started in those countries. Matches with good teams may seem boring to many. Because those matches will be one sided. It will take a long time to resolve all this.

I agree with @Sithara007 because I really think that the qualification process is not fair in the ICC in almost any competition. And not only talking about the men's competition. We have recently seen how unfair it was for Thailand women not to get qualified. Instead, ICC decided to give the spot to Pakistani women.

@BobK71 you are right, that even though ICC is actually trying to do better it probably seems too late. The era of test cricket and One-Day Internationals are going to be dead very soon. The era of T20 and t10 is going to start very soon as well and ICC will not have any options other than increasing the number of teams in the tournaments.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on October 02, 2022, 05:56:47 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 29, 2022, 06:07:23 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 29, 2022, 12:37:08 AM

From ICC and the broadcaster's point of view, 70% of revenue loss is not so little and it comes from just 1 source.

We've discussed many times here and everyone is very critical on how unfair is to organize only 10-12 team WC, including the qualification process. But at the same time we have to be practical as well, after all, this money subsidizes cricket in smaller cricketing nations.

If the ICC want to limit the number of teams to 10 or 12, it is OK. But then there should be a fair qualification pathway. What happens now is that ODI ranking decides the 8 slots (where associate nations are not included), and the qualification tournament decides only the last two slots. In other sports, direct qualification is provided to only one team (hosts). Even giving direct entry to 2-3 teams is OK. But doing so for 80% of the participants is a sham. In FIFA World Cup, even teams like Brazil and Germany needs to play the qualifying tournament.

Right now cricket is not played by majority of countries as compare to football. ICC should introduce cricket in different countries to make it qualifying process more diverse and fair. Cricket is for now limited to few countries that's y we have lesser teams and unfair competition, with diversity there comes fair rankings.

ICC is trying to do that even though it is late. Maybe it could have been done more strongly. If you look at the ICC ranking list, there are 20 countries named included. Cricket has just started in those countries. Matches with good teams may seem boring to many. Because those matches will be one sided. It will take a long time to resolve all this.

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Quote from: Tony116 on October 02, 2022, 06:00:53 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 01, 2022, 09:38:35 PM

Once again, there are attempts to reform the ICC voting structure, to be discussed during the board meeting next month:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2022/09/21/a-push-for-full-membership-to-be-scrapped-amid-proposed-cricket-governance-overhaul/

I am not expecting much, and even the proposals doesn't sound unbiased. Once again, they want to distribute funds based on performance of the teams, which would result in more teams importing players from India and Pakistan and then fielding a playing XI comprised of zero citizens.

BTW, Emirates Cricket Board boss Mubashshir Usmani has once again renewed his demand for full membership status for the United Arab Emirates. If granted, it will just destroy associate cricket. A large chunk of the funds earmarked for associates will be eaten up by a team that has no citizens in the team, and they will use that funds to import more mercenary players.

Right, when everyone is talking about reducing the number of foreign players on the team it feels like ICC is trying to give more credibility to this. They are not at all worried about improving cricket as a game. All they are concerned about is generating more revenue and doing so as quickly as possible. I strongly believe that if the fund is distributed based on performance, then it would be extremely unfair for those teams, which are actually made up of players from their own country, to receive money from the fund. If that happens usually every team is going to try to get foreign players on the team. For some reason, I think that it is going to be a really bad decision for the future of cricket.

ICC is now more concerned about menting money and less on promoting cricket
some rich country can buy players but the real essence of playing for the country is lost then

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 01, 2022, 09:38:35 PM

Once again, there are attempts to reform the ICC voting structure, to be discussed during the board meeting next month:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2022/09/21/a-push-for-full-membership-to-be-scrapped-amid-proposed-cricket-governance-overhaul/

I am not expecting much, and even the proposals doesn't sound unbiased. Once again, they want to distribute funds based on performance of the teams, which would result in more teams importing players from India and Pakistan and then fielding a playing XI comprised of zero citizens.

BTW, Emirates Cricket Board boss Mubashshir Usmani has once again renewed his demand for full membership status for the United Arab Emirates. If granted, it will just destroy associate cricket. A large chunk of the funds earmarked for associates will be eaten up by a team that has no citizens in the team, and they will use that funds to import more mercenary players.

Right, when everyone is talking about reducing the number of foreign players on the team it feels like ICC is trying to give more credibility to this. They are not at all worried about improving cricket as a game. All they are concerned about is generating more revenue and doing so as quickly as possible. I strongly believe that if the fund is distributed based on performance, then it would be extremely unfair for those teams, which are actually made up of players from their own country, to receive money from the fund. If that happens usually every team is going to try to get foreign players on the team. For some reason, I think that it is going to be a really bad decision for the future of cricket.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 29, 2022, 06:07:23 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 29, 2022, 12:37:08 AM

From ICC and the broadcaster's point of view, 70% of revenue loss is not so little and it comes from just 1 source.

We've discussed many times here and everyone is very critical on how unfair is to organize only 10-12 team WC, including the qualification process. But at the same time we have to be practical as well, after all, this money subsidizes cricket in smaller cricketing nations.

If the ICC want to limit the number of teams to 10 or 12, it is OK. But then there should be a fair qualification pathway. What happens now is that ODI ranking decides the 8 slots (where associate nations are not included), and the qualification tournament decides only the last two slots. In other sports, direct qualification is provided to only one team (hosts). Even giving direct entry to 2-3 teams is OK. But doing so for 80% of the participants is a sham. In FIFA World Cup, even teams like Brazil and Germany needs to play the qualifying tournament.

Right now cricket is not played by majority of countries as compare to football. ICC should introduce cricket in different countries to make it qualifying process more diverse and fair. Cricket is for now limited to few countries that's y we have lesser teams and unfair competition, with diversity there comes fair rankings.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 01, 2022, 09:38:35 PM

Once again, there are attempts to reform the ICC voting structure, to be discussed during the board meeting next month:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2022/09/21/a-push-for-full-membership-to-be-scrapped-amid-proposed-cricket-governance-overhaul/

I am not expecting much, and even the proposals doesn't sound unbiased. Once again, they want to distribute funds based on performance of the teams, which would result in more teams importing players from India and Pakistan and then fielding a playing XI comprised of zero citizens.

BTW, Emirates Cricket Board boss Mubashshir Usmani has once again renewed his demand for full membership status for the United Arab Emirates. If granted, it will just destroy associate cricket. A large chunk of the funds earmarked for associates will be eaten up by a team that has no citizens in the team, and they will use that funds to import more mercenary players.

Mubashshir Usmani is very enthusiastic about overseas players from various foreign countries. In this way they have given permission to their various agents. They want more players where almost everyone can be an outside player. Such a decision by him will definitely cause a backlash among the local players. They will be discouraged from cricket. As a result, their country's cricket will be more hindered in the future.

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Once again, there are attempts to reform the ICC voting structure, to be discussed during the board meeting next month:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2022/09/21/a-push-for-full-membership-to-be-scrapped-amid-proposed-cricket-governance-overhaul/

I am not expecting much, and even the proposals doesn't sound unbiased. Once again, they want to distribute funds based on performance of the teams, which would result in more teams importing players from India and Pakistan and then fielding a playing XI comprised of zero citizens.

BTW, Emirates Cricket Board boss Mubashshir Usmani has once again renewed his demand for full membership status for the United Arab Emirates. If granted, it will just destroy associate cricket. A large chunk of the funds earmarked for associates will be eaten up by a team that has no citizens in the team, and they will use that funds to import more mercenary players.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 30, 2022, 12:20:16 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 30, 2022, 05:08:14 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 30, 2022, 03:52:41 AM

It was a really shitty move and surprisingly no one from the cricketing world made any fuss except a couple of Op-ed.

ICC didn't even discuss this issue in their meetings so it's clear what their thought process is. Maybe the cricketing world would have taken this issue seriously if the Indian W team was the beneficiary of this fuckup.

The mainstream media hardly covers any of the qualifying matches. I mostly depend on blogs and social media to follow associate cricket, since ESPN-Cricinfo usually ignores such competitions. Another factor is that associate representation is very thin in the ICC. And now it is even thinner after the election of the pro-BCCI Pankaj Khimji (Oman) as one of the associate representative. The other two representatives (Imran Khwaja and Neil Speight) are unable to do much on their own, and constantly gets sidelined.

I believe I got to know about this story from one ESPN article then maybe I heard Isa Guha talking about this. Usually, I hardly follow women's cricket except for important matches of our girls but I tuned in because of Isa Guha as I'm a big fan of her commentary and voice (due to tradition of man of culture lol).

Women would always be having tough time where-ever they go
But those who survive are really iron ladies - those who stand by their will and makes a differences

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 30, 2022, 05:08:14 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 30, 2022, 03:52:41 AM

It was a really shitty move and surprisingly no one from the cricketing world made any fuss except a couple of Op-ed.

ICC didn't even discuss this issue in their meetings so it's clear what their thought process is. Maybe the cricketing world would have taken this issue seriously if the Indian W team was the beneficiary of this fuckup.

The mainstream media hardly covers any of the qualifying matches. I mostly depend on blogs and social media to follow associate cricket, since ESPN-Cricinfo usually ignores such competitions. Another factor is that associate representation is very thin in the ICC. And now it is even thinner after the election of the pro-BCCI Pankaj Khimji (Oman) as one of the associate representative. The other two representatives (Imran Khwaja and Neil Speight) are unable to do much on their own, and constantly gets sidelined.

I believe I got to know about this story from one ESPN article then maybe I heard Isa Guha talking about this. Usually, I hardly follow women's cricket except for important matches of our girls but I tuned in because of Isa Guha as I'm a big fan of her commentary and voice (due to tradition of man of culture lol).

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 30, 2022, 03:52:41 AM

It was a really shitty move and surprisingly no one from the cricketing world made any fuss except a couple of Op-ed.

ICC didn't even discuss this issue in their meetings so it's clear what their thought process is. Maybe the cricketing world would have taken this issue seriously if the Indian W team was the beneficiary of this fuckup.

The mainstream media hardly covers any of the qualifying matches. I mostly depend on blogs and social media to follow associate cricket, since ESPN-Cricinfo usually ignores such competitions. Another factor is that associate representation is very thin in the ICC. And now it is even thinner after the election of the pro-BCCI Pankaj Khimji (Oman) as one of the associate representative. The other two representatives (Imran Khwaja and Neil Speight) are unable to do much on their own, and constantly gets sidelined.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 29, 2022, 10:09:06 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 29, 2022, 12:29:07 PM

I've never liked the existing qualification process and am completely against it. We've seen a small example in the last Women's WC. IMO it should get scrapped for good.

If there is no consensus on scrapping this policy then at least make the qualification policy simple for associate nations.

Yeah.. last time Thailand finished on top of the points table, and yet the 2nd and 3rd placed teams qualified for the world cup because the former is not a part of the ICC ranking system. ICC has a habit of punishing the associates for their own success. The perfect example is that of the 2007 ODI World Cup. After Ireland and Bangladesh managed to kick out India and Pakistan in the group stage, the ICC reduced the number of participants from 16 to 10, just to prevent such upsets. FIFA, FIH and FIBA are trying to increase the number of participants in their world cup, while the ICC is going in the opposite direction.

It was a really shitty move and surprisingly no one from the cricketing world made any fuss except a couple of Op-ed.

ICC didn't even discuss this issue in their meetings so it's clear what their thought process is. Maybe the cricketing world would have taken this issue seriously if the Indian W team was the beneficiary of this fuckup.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 26, 2022, 09:37:58 PM

Quote from: Theones on September 26, 2022, 04:27:35 PM

Thank God after all we started talking and admiring women cricket teams as well
I was watching Shahbash Mithu - a movie on indian cricket team and how they excelled despite of having financial and cultural issues

I really doubt whether these Bollywood movies will give an accurate portrayal. For example, recently there was a movie named "Gunjan Saxena: The Kargil Girl" released on Netflix. It starred some of the big names in Bollywood, such as Janhvi Kapoor and Pankaj Tripathi. The Indian Air Force complained against the movie, for it's inaccurate portrayal of various facts. Even in cricket sector, there was another movie named 1983. This one also came under heavy criticism for historically inaccurate scenes.

I believe - the bollywood and lollywood need to invest more on research rather than investing on songs and costume.
We are not India but the movie on Indian woman team captain showed that maybe Indian Government don't invest much on the women athletes and other in sports.
But I think that too is not correct because Indian sports women are coming fwd in every fields

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 29, 2022, 12:29:07 PM

I've never liked the existing qualification process and am completely against it. We've seen a small example in the last Women's WC. IMO it should get scrapped for good.

If there is no consensus on scrapping this policy then at least make the qualification policy simple for associate nations.

Yeah.. last time Thailand finished on top of the points table, and yet the 2nd and 3rd placed teams qualified for the world cup because the former is not a part of the ICC ranking system. ICC has a habit of punishing the associates for their own success. The perfect example is that of the 2007 ODI World Cup. After Ireland and Bangladesh managed to kick out India and Pakistan in the group stage, the ICC reduced the number of participants from 16 to 10, just to prevent such upsets. FIFA, FIH and FIBA are trying to increase the number of participants in their world cup, while the ICC is going in the opposite direction.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 29, 2022, 06:07:23 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 29, 2022, 12:37:08 AM

From ICC and the broadcaster's point of view, 70% of revenue loss is not so little and it comes from just 1 source.

We've discussed many times here and everyone is very critical on how unfair is to organize only 10-12 team WC, including the qualification process. But at the same time we have to be practical as well, after all, this money subsidizes cricket in smaller cricketing nations.

If the ICC want to limit the number of teams to 10 or 12, it is OK. But then there should be a fair qualification pathway. What happens now is that ODI ranking decides the 8 slots (where associate nations are not included), and the qualification tournament decides only the last two slots. In other sports, direct qualification is provided to only one team (hosts). Even giving direct entry to 2-3 teams is OK. But doing so for 80% of the participants is a sham. In FIFA World Cup, even teams like Brazil and Germany needs to play the qualifying tournament.

We are talking too much about this all but sadly no one caring about this because deep greedy pockets are having their own mindset, and they are doing which is suitable for them, I am also not in favour of this system because they need to be set this only host and defending champion can go through direct all others have to be done qualification pathway which is much better and bring some more entertainment but sadly who cares in ICC about this they are doing their own business with their own policies which are not suitable for this game.

FIFA is surely doing one of the best thing in their game just because of this they have enough success and strong system even many allegations are around them as well, but their system is still one of the best and giving good development to the game.

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Quote from: JSRAW on September 29, 2022, 12:29:07 PM

iked the existing qualification process and am completely against it. We've seen a small example in the last Women's WC. IMO it should get scrapped for good.

If there is no consensus on scrapping this policy then at least make the qualification policy simple for associate nations.

Just heard the Bumrah is not in World cup
The bowler like him make the frontal action they bowl from back speed- like Sharne Warne, Bishop - if he would not change his style he will make more injury to his back
I have heard Shoaib Akhtar saying this about Bumrah

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 29, 2022, 06:07:23 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on September 29, 2022, 12:37:08 AM

From ICC and the broadcaster's point of view, 70% of revenue loss is not so little and it comes from just 1 source.

We've discussed many times here and everyone is very critical on how unfair is to organize only 10-12 team WC, including the qualification process. But at the same time we have to be practical as well, after all, this money subsidizes cricket in smaller cricketing nations.

If the ICC want to limit the number of teams to 10 or 12, it is OK. But then there should be a fair qualification pathway. What happens now is that ODI ranking decides the 8 slots (where associate nations are not included), and the qualification tournament decides only the last two slots. In other sports, direct qualification is provided to only one team (hosts). Even giving direct entry to 2-3 teams is OK. But doing so for 80% of the participants is a sham. In FIFA World Cup, even teams like Brazil and Germany needs to play the qualifying tournament.

I've never liked the existing qualification process and am completely against it. We've seen a small example in the last Women's WC. IMO it should get scrapped for good.

If there is no consensus on scrapping this policy then at least make the qualification policy simple for associate nations.

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