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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 26, 2022, 03:10:03 AM

Anyone following the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League positions?

As of now, 7 teams have confirmed their standing in top-8, thereby directly qualifying to the 2023 ODI World Cup.

1. England
2. Bangladesh
3. Pakistan
4. New Zealand
5. India
6. Afghanistan
7. Australia

The final position will be decided in the next 2-3 months and the teams that are competing for the 8th position are:

1. West Indies (88 points from 24 matches. 0 matches remaining)
2. Ireland (68 points from 21 matches. 3 matches remaining)
3. Sri Lanka (62 points from 18 matches. 6 matches remaining)
4. South Africa (49 points from 16 matches. 8 matches remaining)

Only one among these 4 teams will manage direct qualification.

I think SA will be able to qualify as they still have 8 matches left and this team has the potential to win all 8 matches. Srilanka does have 6 more matches but the team is very unreliable when it comes to ODI. What interested me with the qualifying list is that Bangladesh and Afghanistan qualified. I was not expecting these two teams to be on the qualifying list.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 26, 2022, 03:10:03 AM

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The final position will be decided in the next 2-3 months and the teams that are competing for the 8th position are:

1. West Indies (88 points from 24 matches. 0 matches remaining)
2. Ireland (68 points from 21 matches. 3 matches remaining)
3. Sri Lanka (62 points from 18 matches. 6 matches remaining)
4. South Africa (49 points from 16 matches. 8 matches remaining)

Only one among these 4 teams will manage direct qualification.

There will be a total of ten teams in the 2023 ODI World Cup right. The top 7 teams are confirmed to play the World Cup and one among the four mentioned from West Indies, Ireland, Sri Lanka and South Africa will be missing out the competition if they fail to qualify. Sri Lanka has 6 matches left and South Africa even though has the lowest points have 8 matches remaining to seal their fate.

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Yes, even with the English players the Zimbabwe team wasn't considered strong and they were treated as a team whom every strong team can defeat easily. I still remember the two gentlemen Grant Flower and Andy flower as used to represent the Zimbabwe team at that time.
It's difficult for Zimbabwe to reach that same class of cricket but nothing is impossible. If they build a strong domestic setup in their country then everything is possible.

I am very doubtful. Back in late 1990s, Zimbabwe managed to upset top teams, despite not having access to a lot of funds. And now despite having access to funds they are struggling to defeat teams such as Ireland and Nepal. Fund inflow from the ICC have meant that now they have 5 first class teams instead of the two they were having in 1990s. But the quality has gone down. The standard of play is not the same as they had before. I am not witnessing any light at the end of the tunnel. The cycle of good players emigrating out of Zimbabwe will continue for some more time.

As things stand now, there does not seem to be much of a chance that Zimbabwe is going to be able to improve in the near future. There is a problem in the fact that they are not being able to utilize the funds that are given by the ICC. In the Zimbabwe cricket board, some corrupt individuals are in charge of handling the funds. I believe that this is the reason why Zimbabwe cricket is not improving as it should be.

There has been a good improvement in Ireland in recent times, I think we have seen a lot of positive signs. We all know how far Afghanistan has come in the last five years in terms of the quality of its team. It does, however, seem like the Zimbabwe cricket team is the same team that we used to see ten or fifteen years ago when it comes to the national side.

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Quote from: BobK71 on August 26, 2022, 02:11:20 PM

If such a situation exists then how will it be resolved in cricket? If no one comes forward, where will the state of cricket go? No one knows the answer to these questions. Today many cricket boards like Zimbabwe, Bangladesh have reached the peak of corruption which is known to everyone.

Corruption in cricket boards increased when domestic politics influenced cricket boards. We saw the situation in Zimbabwe. The team was almost in ruins. The condition of Bangladesh is still not too bad. However, if the corruption of board officials and the influence of domestic politics do not decrease, Bangladesh's situation will be worse than Zimbabwe's.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2022, 07:54:11 PM

Back in late 1990s, Zimbabwe managed to upset top teams, despite not having access to a lot of funds. And now despite having access to funds they are struggling to defeat teams such as Ireland and Nepal. Fund inflow from the ICC have meant that now they have 5 first class teams instead of the two they were having in 1990s. But the quality has gone down. The standard of play is not the same as they had before. I am not witnessing any light at the end of the tunnel. The cycle of good players emigrating out of Zimbabwe will continue for some more time.

After having a lot of funds from ICC now Zimbabwe officials are enjoying and have no good interest in development of cricket because they have not good setup and political influence is also having good impact on this board as well, so we can't expect positive development in this current situation they need few professional peoples for running this all then we can expect some better results.

But sadly no one is interested in this, and they are also losing charm from youths just because of political corruption right now they have no enough sponsors as well which can help them for better structure as well because all know they will lose their funds in corruption and nothing positive will happen now it's all going to be a big question in near future.

If such a situation exists then how will it be resolved in cricket? If no one comes forward, where will the state of cricket go? No one knows the answer to these questions. Today many cricket boards like Zimbabwe, Bangladesh have reached the peak of corruption which is known to everyone.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2022, 07:54:11 PM

Back in late 1990s, Zimbabwe managed to upset top teams, despite not having access to a lot of funds. And now despite having access to funds they are struggling to defeat teams such as Ireland and Nepal. Fund inflow from the ICC have meant that now they have 5 first class teams instead of the two they were having in 1990s. But the quality has gone down. The standard of play is not the same as they had before. I am not witnessing any light at the end of the tunnel. The cycle of good players emigrating out of Zimbabwe will continue for some more time.

After having a lot of funds from ICC now Zimbabwe officials are enjoying and have no good interest in development of cricket because they have not good setup and political influence is also having good impact on this board as well, so we can't expect positive development in this current situation they need few professional peoples for running this all then we can expect some better results.

But sadly no one is interested in this, and they are also losing charm from youths just because of political corruption right now they have no enough sponsors as well which can help them for better structure as well because all know they will lose their funds in corruption and nothing positive will happen now it's all going to be a big question in near future.

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Quote from: Rigon on August 25, 2022, 06:49:09 PM

Due to political vendettas, some cultures and civilizations around the world today are facing many obstacles and extinctions.Today, the country and cultural civilization are being run by a few experienced people due to political vindictiveness.Those who are not eligible are trying to work at the eligible level today.Whenever this political vendetta is removed from one country then all those countries will give something good.

But can the moribund political environment come back from this previous position? Every country in the world is going through a very difficult time. As of lately no one can say they are happy. At times, there is also a feeling that World War III. But whatever the political situation, the cricket world should not be involved. When a position is filled by an unqualified person. What can be expected from the position? When there is nothing to do, it is wise to adapt.

We all say and expect that whatever the political situation in the world is, cricket should not be involved. But I can assure everyone that whenever there is going to be a problem in the world, it is going to have an effect on every aspect of life.

Right now with the world almost facing World War 3, and the economy of the whole world being very unstable it is obvious that cricket is going to have to see some bad days. It does not matter how someone tries to keep sports out of politics, eventually, they are going to fail.

Obviously, the people in power are most of the time not qualified for their job. Because life is not fair. I believe that people have already understood that and got used to it.

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Anyone following the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League positions?

As of now, 7 teams have confirmed their standing in top-8, thereby directly qualifying to the 2023 ODI World Cup.

1. England
2. Bangladesh
3. Pakistan
4. New Zealand
5. India
6. Afghanistan
7. Australia

The final position will be decided in the next 2-3 months and the teams that are competing for the 8th position are:

1. West Indies (88 points from 24 matches. 0 matches remaining)
2. Ireland (68 points from 21 matches. 3 matches remaining)
3. Sri Lanka (62 points from 18 matches. 6 matches remaining)
4. South Africa (49 points from 16 matches. 8 matches remaining)

Only one among these 4 teams will manage direct qualification.

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Quote from: Rigon on August 25, 2022, 06:49:09 PM

Due to political vendettas, some cultures and civilizations around the world today are facing many obstacles and extinctions.Today, the country and cultural civilization are being run by a few experienced people due to political vindictiveness.Those who are not eligible are trying to work at the eligible level today.Whenever this political vendetta is removed from one country then all those countries will give something good.

But can the moribund political environment come back from this previous position? Every country in the world is going through a very difficult time. As of lately no one can say they are happy. At times, there is also a feeling that World War III. But whatever the political situation, the cricket world should not be involved. When a position is filled by an unqualified person. What can be expected from the position? When there is nothing to do, it is wise to adapt.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on August 25, 2022, 06:15:07 PM

Yes, even with the English players the Zimbabwe team wasn't considered strong and they were treated as a team whom every strong team can defeat easily. I still remember the two gentlemen Grant Flower and Andy flower as used to represent the Zimbabwe team at that time.

It's difficult for Zimbabwe to reach that same class of cricket but nothing is impossible. If they build a strong domestic setup in their country then everything is possible.

I am very doubtful. Back in late 1990s, Zimbabwe managed to upset top teams, despite not having access to a lot of funds. And now despite having access to funds they are struggling to defeat teams such as Ireland and Nepal. Fund inflow from the ICC have meant that now they have 5 first class teams instead of the two they were having in 1990s. But the quality has gone down. The standard of play is not the same as they had before. I am not witnessing any light at the end of the tunnel. The cycle of good players emigrating out of Zimbabwe will continue for some more time.

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Zimbabwe do have a well structured domestic system and more than 90% of the players are native African. But the problem is that the quality is not very good. And that is why they are very dependent on players who are based outside such as Sean Williams. In case of Sikandar Raza, he was originally born in Sialkot, but migrated to Zimbabwe when he was 16 years old. His case is unlike the case with the UAE national team, which just imports players from India and Pakistan. Raza started his cricketing career in Zimbabwe.

Actually in my opinion the Zimbabwe cricket board is the one to blame. They had a really good team and they also had a good thing going on quite a long while ago. But because of the problems between the players and the cricket board the Zimbabwe team absolutely fell apart. And I think that is a big reason why the native people are not interested in cricket so much. But I have to agree that players are really hard-working in the Zimbabwe cricket team. They actually give their heart and soul to the game.

If any country wants quality native players it's not easy for them because it needs good structure and better facilities for players right now Zimbabwe is having political issues with corruption is also on high level which is preventing them from having good enough native players same happening in South Africa, but they have some better domestic setup, so they are enjoying with White players even many are migrating from them as well but still they can do better than Zimbabwe.

Here they were banned due to their corrupt system and now again doing some things better, but they can't compete with top six nations in cricket in any format which is the biggest issue even their past teams were capable of giving upsets but right now this is also not possible with their current quality.

At this time political parties are scrambling at every level to take their advantage. Even in a national cricket board that is supposed to be free of political influence, their dominance is reckless. Corruption has now reached its peak. Where the opportunity to make good player is very limited. The same thing happened in Zimbabwe where their cricket sustainability issue has become a big challenge.

Due to political vendettas, some cultures and civilizations around the world today are facing many obstacles and extinctions.Today, the country and cultural civilization are being run by a few experienced people due to political vindictiveness.Those who are not eligible are trying to work at the eligible level today.Whenever this political vendetta is removed from one country then all those countries will give something good.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2022, 02:31:53 AM

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If the cricketers of a country lose their interest, it is natural that there will be no good cricketers in that country. The cricket board of that country has the biggest role behind it. Zimbabwe could not do well in world cricket history and their cricket board was not in their favor, so their situation was gradually becoming critical. But recently, their name started to rise through the Bangladesh series. Also in the last match Zimbabwe cricket played a competitive game against India. Although their victory came very close, they did not win in at the end. But I can say spontaneously that, they are come back to the cricket.

As I explained in my previous post, back in 1990s the Zimbabwe team was dominated by white players. This was never going to work in the long term, because even back then whites were less than 1% of the population. And starting from the 1990s, whites began emigrating out of the country as a result of political violence. Now they are around 0.1% of the population. The transition was so quick that the native players never got adequate experience before getting involved in top level cricket. And I don't know whether Zimbabwe will ever reach a level where they were in the 1990s.

Yes, even with the English players the Zimbabwe team wasn't considered strong and they were treated as a team whom every strong team can defeat easily. I still remember the two gentlemen Grant Flower and Andy flower as used to represent the Zimbabwe team at that time.

It's difficult for Zimbabwe to reach that same class of cricket but nothing is impossible. If they build a strong domestic setup in their country then everything is possible.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2022, 02:31:53 AM

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If the cricketers of a country lose their interest, it is natural that there will be no good cricketers in that country. The cricket board of that country has the biggest role behind it. Zimbabwe could not do well in world cricket history and their cricket board was not in their favor, so their situation was gradually becoming critical. But recently, their name started to rise through the Bangladesh series. Also in the last match Zimbabwe cricket played a competitive game against India. Although their victory came very close, they did not win in at the end. But I can say spontaneously that, they are come back to the cricket.

As I explained in my previous post, back in 1990s the Zimbabwe team was dominated by white players. This was never going to work in the long term, because even back then whites were less than 1% of the population. And starting from the 1990s, whites began emigrating out of the country as a result of political violence. Now they are around 0.1% of the population. The transition was so quick that the native players never got adequate experience before getting involved in top level cricket. And I don't know whether Zimbabwe will ever reach a level where they were in the 1990s.

This issue continues. Above all is the corruption that doesn't let the team to progress. As said Zimbabwe is one amongst the top teams. Now the popularity of cricket have come down. This has happened as a result of various issues. Another thing is the lack of club cricket, recently the former Zimbabwe team captain Brendan Taylor have been banned from cricket for not reporting match fixing approach from bookie during a visit to India. Someway money is destroying the goodness of cricket.

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Quote from: BALIK on August 25, 2022, 01:27:04 PM

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If any country wants quality native players it's not easy for them because it needs good structure and better facilities for players right now Zimbabwe is having political issues with corruption is also on high level which is preventing them from having good enough native players same happening in South Africa, but they have some better domestic setup, so they are enjoying with White players even many are migrating from them as well but still they can do better than Zimbabwe.

Here they were banned due to their corrupt system and now again doing some things better, but they can't compete with top six nations in cricket in any format which is the biggest issue even their past teams were capable of giving upsets but right now this is also not possible with their current quality.

Corruption is going to be everywhere no matter what. It is like a plague which just there to destroy anything good that is happening. Cricket is not so popular. But we have already seen many cricket boards and cricket teams losing their way just because of some corrupted people. When it comes to cricket board versus the players I am always going to support the players. Because the cricket boards are always going to think about how to get more money (The corrupted ones). But the players are always going to think about how to play better because that is their job.

Quote from: BobK71 on August 25, 2022, 06:52:21 AM

At this time political parties are scrambling at every level to take their advantage. Even in a national cricket board that is supposed to be free of political influence, their dominance is reckless. Corruption has now reached its peak. Where the opportunity to make good player is very limited. The same thing happened in Zimbabwe where their cricket sustainability issue has become a big challenge.

The one thing I don’t understand in the Zimbabwe cricket board is whether can they absolutely not find any good people who are actually serious about cricket? This situation in Zimbabwe cricket has been going on for quite a long time if I am not wrong. And I don’t think they have done anything substantial to fix the problem.

You can definitely get a good cricketer if you want. Where corruption has infiltrated people, how do you expect good things? How is the development of cricket possible if it relies on corruption in the preliminary selection phase? I think it's happening in Zimbabwe. There will be no good cricketers unless the players are financially satisfied. For this reason, it is necessary to reduce the level of corruption in cricket boards. If the government of any country wants, they can be able to do that.

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Quote from: doomloop on August 25, 2022, 03:34:54 AM

If any country wants quality native players it's not easy for them because it needs good structure and better facilities for players right now Zimbabwe is having political issues with corruption is also on high level which is preventing them from having good enough native players same happening in South Africa, but they have some better domestic setup, so they are enjoying with White players even many are migrating from them as well but still they can do better than Zimbabwe.

Here they were banned due to their corrupt system and now again doing some things better, but they can't compete with top six nations in cricket in any format which is the biggest issue even their past teams were capable of giving upsets but right now this is also not possible with their current quality.

Corruption is going to be everywhere no matter what. It is like a plague which just there to destroy anything good that is happening. Cricket is not so popular. But we have already seen many cricket boards and cricket teams losing their way just because of some corrupted people. When it comes to cricket board versus the players I am always going to support the players. Because the cricket boards are always going to think about how to get more money (The corrupted ones). But the players are always going to think about how to play better because that is their job.

Quote from: BobK71 on August 25, 2022, 06:52:21 AM

At this time political parties are scrambling at every level to take their advantage. Even in a national cricket board that is supposed to be free of political influence, their dominance is reckless. Corruption has now reached its peak. Where the opportunity to make good player is very limited. The same thing happened in Zimbabwe where their cricket sustainability issue has become a big challenge.

The one thing I don’t understand in the Zimbabwe cricket board is whether can they absolutely not find any good people who are actually serious about cricket? This situation in Zimbabwe cricket has been going on for quite a long time if I am not wrong. And I don’t think they have done anything substantial to fix the problem.

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Quote from: BobK71 on August 25, 2022, 06:52:21 AM

At this time political parties are scrambling at every level to take their advantage. Even in a national cricket board that is supposed to be free of political influence, their dominance is reckless. Corruption has now reached its peak. Where the opportunity to make good player is very limited. The same thing happened in Zimbabwe where their cricket sustainability issue has become a big challenge.

I am sorry about this because political free environment is not available in Africa and most part of Asia because we have no education and better development for this all even it's not working in most part of South America right now Europeans, Americans and Australians are enjoying with this all because they change their system completely with fair policies and better educational system which is not working around these areas, so we have to live with this all for some more decades because I am sure it's not going to change in our lives this need sacrifice of generation, and then you can take good dividend from this all otherwise we have to live as we are living for last 2 centuries first under white colonies and now local are treating us like them.

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Zimbabwe do have a well structured domestic system and more than 90% of the players are native African. But the problem is that the quality is not very good. And that is why they are very dependent on players who are based outside such as Sean Williams. In case of Sikandar Raza, he was originally born in Sialkot, but migrated to Zimbabwe when he was 16 years old. His case is unlike the case with the UAE national team, which just imports players from India and Pakistan. Raza started his cricketing career in Zimbabwe.

Actually in my opinion the Zimbabwe cricket board is the one to blame. They had a really good team and they also had a good thing going on quite a long while ago. But because of the problems between the players and the cricket board the Zimbabwe team absolutely fell apart. And I think that is a big reason why the native people are not interested in cricket so much. But I have to agree that players are really hard-working in the Zimbabwe cricket team. They actually give their heart and soul to the game.

If any country wants quality native players it's not easy for them because it needs good structure and better facilities for players right now Zimbabwe is having political issues with corruption is also on high level which is preventing them from having good enough native players same happening in South Africa, but they have some better domestic setup, so they are enjoying with White players even many are migrating from them as well but still they can do better than Zimbabwe.

Here they were banned due to their corrupt system and now again doing some things better, but they can't compete with top six nations in cricket in any format which is the biggest issue even their past teams were capable of giving upsets but right now this is also not possible with their current quality.

At this time political parties are scrambling at every level to take their advantage. Even in a national cricket board that is supposed to be free of political influence, their dominance is reckless. Corruption has now reached its peak. Where the opportunity to make good player is very limited. The same thing happened in Zimbabwe where their cricket sustainability issue has become a big challenge.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on August 25, 2022, 01:36:59 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 24, 2022, 09:09:15 PM

Zimbabwe do have a well structured domestic system and more than 90% of the players are native African. But the problem is that the quality is not very good. And that is why they are very dependent on players who are based outside such as Sean Williams. In case of Sikandar Raza, he was originally born in Sialkot, but migrated to Zimbabwe when he was 16 years old. His case is unlike the case with the UAE national team, which just imports players from India and Pakistan. Raza started his cricketing career in Zimbabwe.

Actually in my opinion the Zimbabwe cricket board is the one to blame. They had a really good team and they also had a good thing going on quite a long while ago. But because of the problems between the players and the cricket board the Zimbabwe team absolutely fell apart. And I think that is a big reason why the native people are not interested in cricket so much. But I have to agree that players are really hard-working in the Zimbabwe cricket team. They actually give their heart and soul to the game.

If any country wants quality native players it's not easy for them because it needs good structure and better facilities for players right now Zimbabwe is having political issues with corruption is also on high level which is preventing them from having good enough native players same happening in South Africa, but they have some better domestic setup, so they are enjoying with White players even many are migrating from them as well but still they can do better than Zimbabwe.

Here they were banned due to their corrupt system and now again doing some things better, but they can't compete with top six nations in cricket in any format which is the biggest issue even their past teams were capable of giving upsets but right now this is also not possible with their current quality.

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Quote from: GigaBit on August 25, 2022, 01:53:08 AM

If the cricketers of a country lose their interest, it is natural that there will be no good cricketers in that country. The cricket board of that country has the biggest role behind it. Zimbabwe could not do well in world cricket history and their cricket board was not in their favor, so their situation was gradually becoming critical. But recently, their name started to rise through the Bangladesh series. Also in the last match Zimbabwe cricket played a competitive game against India. Although their victory came very close, they did not win in at the end. But I can say spontaneously that, they are come back to the cricket.

As I explained in my previous post, back in 1990s the Zimbabwe team was dominated by white players. This was never going to work in the long term, because even back then whites were less than 1% of the population. And starting from the 1990s, whites began emigrating out of the country as a result of political violence. Now they are around 0.1% of the population. The transition was so quick that the native players never got adequate experience before getting involved in top level cricket. And I don't know whether Zimbabwe will ever reach a level where they were in the 1990s.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 24, 2022, 10:49:31 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on August 24, 2022, 10:20:24 PM

I believe that Zimbabwean team never really improved in ODI once their star player’s left, and since then they have only been in a one way decline mode. Furthermore I feel that if they had a strong fan base then it would have helped them put some pressure on their board, but since they don’t have a strong fan base I doubt that we’ll see them improve anytime soon.

At that time, Zimbabwe was involved in several upsets. But all the players were lost due to political reasons and the team went in to decline soon after.

If the cricketers of a country lose their interest, it is natural that there will be no good cricketers in that country. The cricket board of that country has the biggest role behind it. Zimbabwe could not do well in world cricket history and their cricket board was not in their favor, so their situation was gradually becoming critical. But recently, their name started to rise through the Bangladesh series. Also in the last match Zimbabwe cricket played a competitive game against India. Although their victory came very close, they did not win in at the end. But I can say spontaneously that, they are come back to the cricket.

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