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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 28, 2022, 01:40:36 PM

Personally I don't think that Bangladesh will face the same fate as that of Kenya or Canada. Corruption is there, but there is a lot of talent in Bangladesh. But competing against the big-4 requires consistency in addition to talent. At this point, I can't find anyone in the Bangladeshi squad who is consistent. Litton Das is the one who comes close to being consistent. Shakib al Hasan was consistent until a few years ago, but he seems to have lost his mojo. Among the bowlers, Mustafizur Rahman is comparatively better, but again not quite there.

Tamim, Mushfiqur, Shakib and Mahmudullah, these four senior and important players of Bangladesh will retire in the next few years. Bangladesh may have a lot of talented players, but not experienced players. When these four senior players retire, Bangladesh will not be able to find 11 experienced players for their squad. However, after the next World Cup, Bangladesh will face big problems.

It is true that the Bangladesh team has talented players but the lack of experienced players so they can not bring success even if they go far. No one can never control their emotions. If some player get retirement in the team like Shakib, Mushfiqur, Tamim, Mahmudullah , it will be very difficult to say where the team will reached. As they are most seniors maybe they won't be able to play for long time. So definitely at that moment Bangladesh team will be fallen in under pressure.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on June 29, 2022, 07:23:07 AM

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Right now I feel like the golden years of Bangladesh cricket are behind them. I am talking about the 2015-2019 era. Bangladesh was playing really well under that captaincy of Mashrafe bin Mortaza. He lead Bangladesh very well and Bangladesh started winning a lot more as soon as he came in as the captain of Bangladesh cricket team.

After him, I don’t think anyone was actually successful as that captain of Bangladesh and the team also suffered a lot. It is also true that almost all the Bangladesh players are really inconsistent. And Shakib al Hassan is also getting old. So, that is going to be a big concern for Bangladesh cricket.

Shakib is 35 years old.. he is a spin bowling allrounder, and therefore we can assume that he has another 3-4 years of international career remaining with him. But he has underperformed with his international career. Partly due to his attitude, and partly due to the lack of support from the cricket board. And I agree with you on Mashrafe bin Mortaza. He was one of the best Bangladesh ever produced. But unfortunately for the BCB, he was more interested in politics when compared to cricket (if I am not wrong, he is a member of the parliament).

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 28, 2022, 01:40:36 PM

Personally I don't think that Bangladesh will face the same fate as that of Kenya or Canada. Corruption is there, but there is a lot of talent in Bangladesh. But competing against the big-4 requires consistency in addition to talent. At this point, I can't find anyone in the Bangladeshi squad who is consistent. Litton Das is the one who comes close to being consistent. Shakib al Hasan was consistent until a few years ago, but he seems to have lost his mojo. Among the bowlers, Mustafizur Rahman is comparatively better, but again not quite there.

Tamim, Mushfiqur, Shakib and Mahmudullah, these four senior and important players of Bangladesh will retire in the next few years. Bangladesh may have a lot of talented players, but not experienced players. When these four senior players retire, Bangladesh will not be able to find 11 experienced players for their squad. However, after the next World Cup, Bangladesh will face big problems.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 28, 2022, 01:40:36 PM

Personally I don't think that Bangladesh will face the same fate as that of Kenya or Canada. Corruption is there, but there is a lot of talent in Bangladesh. But competing against the big-4 requires consistency in addition to talent. At this point, I can't find anyone in the Bangladeshi squad who is consistent. Litton Das is the one who comes close to being consistent. Shakib al Hasan was consistent until a few years ago, but he seems to have lost his mojo. Among the bowlers, Mustafizur Rahman is comparatively better, but again not quite there.

Right now I feel like the golden years of Bangladesh cricket are behind them. I am talking about the 2015-2019 era. Bangladesh was playing really well under that captaincy of Mashrafe bin Mortaza. He lead Bangladesh very well and Bangladesh started winning a lot more as soon as he came in as the captain of Bangladesh cricket team.

After him, I don’t think anyone was actually successful as that captain of Bangladesh and the team also suffered a lot. It is also true that almost all the Bangladesh players are really inconsistent. And Shakib al Hassan is also getting old. So, that is going to be a big concern for Bangladesh cricket.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on June 28, 2022, 06:44:38 AM

As far as I have heard, there is a lot of corruption going on inside Bangladesh management. As a result, they are not able to take any appropriate steps to find talented players. While some talented players have been found, these players are also getting lost due to a lack of proper guidelines. If Bangladesh's top officials are not aware yet and do not take appropriate steps to find young talented players, we will see the Bangladesh team out of the top 10 in the next few years.

Personally I don't think that Bangladesh will face the same fate as that of Kenya or Canada. Corruption is there, but there is a lot of talent in Bangladesh. But competing against the big-4 requires consistency in addition to talent. At this point, I can't find anyone in the Bangladeshi squad who is consistent. Litton Das is the one who comes close to being consistent. Shakib al Hasan was consistent until a few years ago, but he seems to have lost his mojo. Among the bowlers, Mustafizur Rahman is comparatively better, but again not quite there.

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As far as I have heard, there is a lot of corruption going on inside Bangladesh management. As a result, they are not able to take any appropriate steps to find talented players. While some talented players have been found, these players are also getting lost due to a lack of proper guidelines. If Bangladesh's top officials are not aware yet and do not take appropriate steps to find young talented players, we will see the Bangladesh team out of the top 10 in the next few years.

I don’t think that one needs to visit Bangladesh to see the sorry state of affairs there, and if you’ll search online you’ll find various stories about why cricket is failing in Bangladesh.
Also they deserve to be out of the top 10, because there’re other teams that could benefit by being in the top 10 but sadly there’re no odds available for this, but if there were then we all could have easily wagered on Bangladesh to crash outside the top 10 in coming year’s.

If we consider the test format, then I would also say that Bangladesh has lost its eligibility to be in the top 10. However, Bangladesh is now the ninth team in the Test rankings. However, Bangladesh's position in ODI ranking is very good now. Probably in seventh place. But I would say it was possible because they played well in the home series. If the BCB does not take appropriate action now, players like Shakib, Tamim and Mushfiqur will not find their worthy replacements after retirement. And there will be a further decline in their performance.

Every country tries to find a worthy replacement for their players. If the players are injured or retiring, the team should not face too many problems. But the Bangladesh board has yet to make a worthy replacement for their experienced players. If Shakib, Mushfiqur, Tamim and Mahmudullah retire together, Bangladesh will not be able to find a talented player to form the squad. The board should have a long-term plan. Since BCB has a lot of money.

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I think you have made a really good point. Mashrafe Bin Mortaza was the only person who acted as the backbone of Bangladesh cricket. he was the player who was basically holding the Bangladesh team together and after his departure, the Bangladesh team seems to be very different. every time the go into the field it feels like we are watching a clown show.

I have never visited Bangladesh, and therefore I don't know much about that country. What surprises me is that despite having such a huge population, Bangladesh always struggles in international cricket. And cricket is their no.1 sport as of now. Their population is similar to that of Pakistan and manytimes more than that of Sri Lanka. But Bangladesh can't compete against these teams and they can't produce players of the calibre of Babar Azam or Wanindu Hasaranga. I have wondered about the reason for the same, but can't find it (and domestic structure can't be blamed, as Sri Lanka has even shittier system).

As far as I have heard, there is a lot of corruption going on inside Bangladesh management. As a result, they are not able to take any appropriate steps to find talented players. While some talented players have been found, these players are also getting lost due to a lack of proper guidelines. If Bangladesh's top officials are not aware yet and do not take appropriate steps to find young talented players, we will see the Bangladesh team out of the top 10 in the next few years.

I don’t think that one needs to visit Bangladesh to see the sorry state of affairs there, and if you’ll search online you’ll find various stories about why cricket is failing in Bangladesh.

Also they deserve to be out of the top 10, because there’re other teams that could benefit by being in the top 10 but sadly there’re no odds available for this, but if there were then we all could have easily wagered on Bangladesh to crash outside the top 10 in coming year’s.

If we consider the test format, then I would also say that Bangladesh has lost its eligibility to be in the top 10. However, Bangladesh is now the ninth team in the Test rankings. However, Bangladesh's position in ODI ranking is very good now. Probably in seventh place. But I would say it was possible because they played well in the home series. If the BCB does not take appropriate action now, players like Shakib, Tamim and Mushfiqur will not find their worthy replacements after retirement. And there will be a further decline in their performance.

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I think you have made a really good point. Mashrafe Bin Mortaza was the only person who acted as the backbone of Bangladesh cricket. he was the player who was basically holding the Bangladesh team together and after his departure, the Bangladesh team seems to be very different. every time the go into the field it feels like we are watching a clown show.

I have never visited Bangladesh, and therefore I don't know much about that country. What surprises me is that despite having such a huge population, Bangladesh always struggles in international cricket. And cricket is their no.1 sport as of now. Their population is similar to that of Pakistan and manytimes more than that of Sri Lanka. But Bangladesh can't compete against these teams and they can't produce players of the calibre of Babar Azam or Wanindu Hasaranga. I have wondered about the reason for the same, but can't find it (and domestic structure can't be blamed, as Sri Lanka has even shittier system).

As far as I have heard, there is a lot of corruption going on inside Bangladesh management. As a result, they are not able to take any appropriate steps to find talented players. While some talented players have been found, these players are also getting lost due to a lack of proper guidelines. If Bangladesh's top officials are not aware yet and do not take appropriate steps to find young talented players, we will see the Bangladesh team out of the top 10 in the next few years.

I don’t think that one needs to visit Bangladesh to see the sorry state of affairs there, and if you’ll search online you’ll find various stories about why cricket is failing in Bangladesh.

Also they deserve to be out of the top 10, because there’re other teams that could benefit by being in the top 10 but sadly there’re no odds available for this, but if there were then we all could have easily wagered on Bangladesh to crash outside the top 10 in coming year’s.

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I think you have made a really good point. Mashrafe Bin Mortaza was the only person who acted as the backbone of Bangladesh cricket. he was the player who was basically holding the Bangladesh team together and after his departure, the Bangladesh team seems to be very different. every time the go into the field it feels like we are watching a clown show.

I have never visited Bangladesh, and therefore I don't know much about that country. What surprises me is that despite having such a huge population, Bangladesh always struggles in international cricket. And cricket is their no.1 sport as of now. Their population is similar to that of Pakistan and manytimes more than that of Sri Lanka. But Bangladesh can't compete against these teams and they can't produce players of the calibre of Babar Azam or Wanindu Hasaranga. I have wondered about the reason for the same, but can't find it (and domestic structure can't be blamed, as Sri Lanka has even shittier system).

As far as I have heard, there is a lot of corruption going on inside Bangladesh management. As a result, they are not able to take any appropriate steps to find talented players. While some talented players have been found, these players are also getting lost due to a lack of proper guidelines. If Bangladesh's top officials are not aware yet and do not take appropriate steps to find young talented players, we will see the Bangladesh team out of the top 10 in the next few years.

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Actually, I feel really sad to admit, but it is true that the matches are not going to be competitive. The Ireland team has no chance against a team like India. And the first match was not competitive at all. It was absolutely one-sided. But it was a little better to see that Ireland can bat. I don’t think that any of the matches are going to be competitive. Only one match left by the way so don’t have much expectation from Ireland in that match as well. Hopefully, they can still play a little better and probably get noticed by the ICC. That should give them a little more funding as you have mentioned.

India is playing international cricket for more then 70 years, ever since they got the status of independent country. Ireland on the other hand joined international cricket decade ago. They still are just an associate country, give them some time and fair amount of international cricket. The performance of Ireland is much better then how Bangladesh is performing.

In this format T20 it's not had any impact who is playing for 70 years and who is new because on the play day any result can happen as we are already having some big upsets from this Ireland in ODI they beat Pakistan and England which are big upsets, but sadly it never pays them good dividend due to their domestic setup which is having no strong, and they mostly depend on England Counties about this, but they have few players those are specialist in this format, and they can provide good game on their day.

First T20 was good as it's reduced to 12 overs per team but still Ireland done good job and touch very good target of 109 which achieved by Indians in 9.3 over but still we can expect good challenge from them in next match which is going to play on 28th June.

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I think you have made a really good point. Mashrafe Bin Mortaza was the only person who acted as the backbone of Bangladesh cricket. he was the player who was basically holding the Bangladesh team together and after his departure, the Bangladesh team seems to be very different. every time the go into the field it feels like we are watching a clown show.

Bangladesh is having some good players but sadly in long run mostly they fail as team because they never have any strong leader who give them good motivation, and they have never done any positive things in domestic set up which bring some good and quality leaders which able to bring some good changes in this team.

Domestic setup is key for any sports or team for having good results in international events and matches and here they completely fail to bring this on standard level we have too much negative news about their domestic set up which is telling all story about their failure now as Mashrafe Mortaza is already retired, and he is in ruling party he needs to act his second tenure as administrator which can bring good changes for them because he is a strong person in sports in Bangladesh.

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Quote from: ilovealtcoins on June 27, 2022, 02:08:50 PM

I think you have made a really good point. Mashrafe Bin Mortaza was the only person who acted as the backbone of Bangladesh cricket. he was the player who was basically holding the Bangladesh team together and after his departure, the Bangladesh team seems to be very different. every time the go into the field it feels like we are watching a clown show.

I have never visited Bangladesh, and therefore I don't know much about that country. What surprises me is that despite having such a huge population, Bangladesh always struggles in international cricket. And cricket is their no.1 sport as of now. Their population is similar to that of Pakistan and manytimes more than that of Sri Lanka. But Bangladesh can't compete against these teams and they can't produce players of the calibre of Babar Azam or Wanindu Hasaranga. I have wondered about the reason for the same, but can't find it (and domestic structure can't be blamed, as Sri Lanka has even shittier system).

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LOL.. seriously. According to my calculations, the odds of Afghanistan winning the world cup is much better than that from Bangladesh. The Bongs have constantly underperformed since they got the test status in 1999. The only quality player they have produced over all these years is Shakib al Hasan, and he is in and out of the team due to issues with the cricket board. Litton Das has shown some promise, but he is not quite there. And the board has not shown any interest in revamping the domestic system, which is the root cause of all these issues.

I don't know why I can't find any rhythm among the players of Bangladesh. Especially after Mashrafe Murtuza's move away from cricket, there is no interest in Bangladesh cricket. Meanwhile, the psychological interaction of the players with BCB does not seem to be very good. Bangladesh cricket also has many records. They have the power to defeat any countries of the world and there have some legendary figures as well but all in all, their current situation is not satisfactory.

I think you have made a really good point. Mashrafe Bin Mortaza was the only person who acted as the backbone of Bangladesh cricket. he was the player who was basically holding the Bangladesh team together and after his departure, the Bangladesh team seems to be very different. every time the go into the field it feels like we are watching a clown show.

Bangladesh should be a strong team by now. But everytime they are in the field that is a sheer disappointment although there are so many cricket fans in Bangladesh I dont know how the team faces their fans after the defeat. In India and Pakistan - fans don't accept their teams to lose - they show strong reaction.

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LOL.. seriously. According to my calculations, the odds of Afghanistan winning the world cup is much better than that from Bangladesh. The Bongs have constantly underperformed since they got the test status in 1999. The only quality player they have produced over all these years is Shakib al Hasan, and he is in and out of the team due to issues with the cricket board. Litton Das has shown some promise, but he is not quite there. And the board has not shown any interest in revamping the domestic system, which is the root cause of all these issues.

I don't know why I can't find any rhythm among the players of Bangladesh. Especially after Mashrafe Murtuza's move away from cricket, there is no interest in Bangladesh cricket. Meanwhile, the psychological interaction of the players with BCB does not seem to be very good. Bangladesh cricket also has many records. They have the power to defeat any countries of the world and there have some legendary figures as well but all in all, their current situation is not satisfactory.

I think you have made a really good point. Mashrafe Bin Mortaza was the only person who acted as the backbone of Bangladesh cricket. he was the player who was basically holding the Bangladesh team together and after his departure, the Bangladesh team seems to be very different. every time the go into the field it feels like we are watching a clown show.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on June 27, 2022, 12:57:05 PM

Actually, I feel really sad to admit, but it is true that the matches are not going to be competitive. The Ireland team has no chance against a team like India. And the first match was not competitive at all. It was absolutely one-sided. But it was a little better to see that Ireland can bat. I don’t think that any of the matches are going to be competitive. Only one match left by the way so don’t have much expectation from Ireland in that match as well. Hopefully, they can still play a little better and probably get noticed by the ICC. That should give them a little more funding as you have mentioned.

India is playing international cricket for more then 70 years, ever since they got the status of independent country. Ireland on the other hand joined international cricket decade ago. They still are just an associate country, give them some time and fair amount of international cricket. The performance of Ireland is much better then how Bangladesh is performing.

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Hopefully the next match will be competitive. Ireland is doing a great job. The last match Ireland relatively make good score. Tomorrow will meet them again. We have guessed what the result might be. India will win the two-match series. As Indian cricket is a great figure all over the world so they will try to control the mach very easily.

You are asking too much when you say "competitive". This is a casual game with nothing competitive involved. India is far better and actually stronger team than Ireland. I feel happy that it is only a two game series otherwise as no own would be interested to watch a game played by amature. The indian team is playing is full of professional player who have been part of many T20 matches than their counterparts players.
In my opinion it is good for Ireland to host a T20 series against India, as they will work on their abilities and some of the m might get noticed bu the IPL franchise. themselves series and also think about having a proper stadium.

Actually, I feel really sad to admit, but it is true that the matches are not going to be competitive. The Ireland team has no chance against a team like India. And the first match was not competitive at all. It was absolutely one-sided. But it was a little better to see that Ireland can bat. I don’t think that any of the matches are going to be competitive. Only one match left by the way so don’t have much expectation from Ireland in that match as well. Hopefully, they can still play a little better and probably get noticed by the ICC. That should give them a little more funding as you have mentioned.

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Anyone here following Ranji Trophy. History creted today as Madhya Pradesh for the first time won the Ranji trophy by defeating Maharashtra. Madhya Pradesh team was bein coached by Chandrakant Pandit who was a former wicketkeeper of team India. He was also the captain of Madhya Pradesh Ranji team in 1999, when they lost the finals and after 23 years won the Ranjhi trophy as a coach.

Followed the updates, but didn't got enough spare time to watch it live. This time, it was a low key affair, with none of the national players participating in the finals. Only exceptions were Prithvi Shaw (Mumbai captain) and Dhawal Kulkarni (who last played for India in 2016). The Madhya Pradesh players were all unknown to me, apart from Rajat Patidar and Kumar Kartikeya. But they have a very young squad, and I am sure that at least a few of the players will get a chance to represent the national team in the future.

I have to be honest that I am not a big fan of Ranji trophy. To be honest it is already hard enough to find the time to watch international cricket and IPL. And I don’t think anyone watches a cricket match from start to finish. But I also agree that some players from here are going to be able to represent the national team in the future. I hope a few players will be able to make their name bigger through the IPL. That is the best way for any Indian player to come forward and get noticed by the selector.

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India : Ireland

The first match of the two-match T20 series against Ireland is going to be held today. India won the toss and elected to bowl. But the match is being delayed due to rain. India should have batted first against Ireland and delivered huge targets. Ireland is not a very strong team. India should win the series by dominating. Maybe this match will be one-sided.

Ireland have done really well in terms of batting in the first match. They have scored a good amount of runs in just 12 overs. But we all know that India loves to Chase and Ireland is actually not a match for them. India is above multiple levels compared to Ireland. India eventually won the match really easily.

Hopefully the next match will be competitive. Ireland is doing a great job. The last match Ireland relatively make good score. Tomorrow will meet them again. We have guessed what the result might be. India will win the two-match series. As Indian cricket is a great figure all over the world so they will try to control the mach very easily.

You are asking too much when you say "competitive". This is a casual game with nothing competitive involved. India is far better and actually stronger team than Ireland. I feel happy that it is only a two game series otherwise as no own would be interested to watch a game played by amature. The indian team is playing is full of professional player who have been part of many T20 matches than their counterparts players.

In my opinion it is good for Ireland to host a T20 series against India, as they will work on their abilities and some of the m might get noticed bu the IPL franchise. themselves series and also think about having a proper stadium.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on June 27, 2022, 05:07:18 AM

Ireland have done really well in terms of batting in the first match. They have scored a good amount of runs in just 12 overs. But we all know that India loves to Chase and Ireland is actually not a match for them. India is above multiple levels compared to Ireland. India eventually won the match really easily.

Ireland scored 108 runs in 12 overs which is a very good score. They lost wickets very early but still manage to build the innings thanks to Harry Tector 64 runs of 33 balls. Having done good in batting it's Ireland inexperienced bowling who wasn't able to stop India from chasing this total.

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India : Ireland

The first match of the two-match T20 series against Ireland is going to be held today. India won the toss and elected to bowl. But the match is being delayed due to rain. India should have batted first against Ireland and delivered huge targets. Ireland is not a very strong team. India should win the series by dominating. Maybe this match will be one-sided.

Ireland have done really well in terms of batting in the first match. They have scored a good amount of runs in just 12 overs. But we all know that India loves to Chase and Ireland is actually not a match for them. India is above multiple levels compared to Ireland. India eventually won the match really easily.

Hopefully the next match will be competitive. Ireland is doing a great job. The last match Ireland relatively make good score. Tomorrow will meet them again. We have guessed what the result might be. India will win the two-match series. As Indian cricket is a great figure all over the world so they will try to control the mach very easily.

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