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Quote from: KennyR on February 14, 2022, 04:52:50 PM

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New zealand Women VS India Women

Two hours later, the Indian women's team will play against the New Zealand women's team. New Zealand won easily in the only T20 match and in the first two ODIs. The Indian women's team is not performing as well as expected on New Zealand's pitch. I think the New Zealand women's team will win today's match as usual. They will not give India any chance to win.

BCCI is richest board yet they have zero focus on woman cricket. In woman cricket only England, Australia and NZ have strong teams rest of the countries have just team for formalities. Indian woman team is no where near to NZ woman team in T20 and ODI played so far. In t20 India lost by 18 runs while in ODI lost by 62 runs. There are 4 more ODIs still to be played.

Yes, there is no big consideration over the Indian Women's cricket. Indian women's team too is a strong team. Some small error during the match used to bring loss for them. Indian women's cricket players weren't given proper respect and there is discrimination in pay and other beneficiaries. This has made caused various people discuss on the same and no end result is achieved on it.

Women's cricket is relatively less popular. Very few people enjoy it, the less the broadcasters benefit from it. That is why almost all the boards neglect women's cricket. However, I often enjoy women's cricket matches just to bet. Because in most cases the matches are one-sided.
India lost even after giving a huge target of 271 runs. I thought maybe they would win this match. 271 runs is a huge target in women's cricket. New Zealand's Amelie Kerr's responsible batting helped them to win.

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Quote from: KennyR on February 14, 2022, 04:52:50 PM

Yes, there is no big consideration over the Indian Women's cricket. Indian women's team too is a strong team. Some small error during the match used to bring loss for them. Indian women's cricket players weren't given proper respect and there is discrimination in pay and other beneficiaries. This has made caused various people discuss on the same and no end result is achieved on it.

The absence of the WIPL has been a big negative for the women's players. I still don't understand what prevented the BCCI from launching a smaller league with 3 or 4 teams for the women. The Australian and the English cricket boards have shown them how to create profits from the women's game. Even New Zealand is way up compared to the BCCI. On the other hand, the BCCI has actually asked the Indian players to get match practice through playing in WBBL and Women's Hundred (they have banned the men's players from similar leagues).

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New zealand Women VS India Women

Two hours later, the Indian women's team will play against the New Zealand women's team. New Zealand won easily in the only T20 match and in the first two ODIs. The Indian women's team is not performing as well as expected on New Zealand's pitch. I think the New Zealand women's team will win today's match as usual. They will not give India any chance to win.

BCCI is richest board yet they have zero focus on woman cricket. In woman cricket only England, Australia and NZ have strong teams rest of the countries have just team for formalities. Indian woman team is no where near to NZ woman team in T20 and ODI played so far. In t20 India lost by 18 runs while in ODI lost by 62 runs. There are 4 more ODIs still to be played.

Yes, there is no big consideration over the Indian Women's cricket. Indian women's team too is a strong team. Some small error during the match used to bring loss for them. Indian women's cricket players weren't given proper respect and there is discrimination in pay and other beneficiaries. This has made caused various people discuss on the same and no end result is achieved on it.

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Quote from: kro55 on February 14, 2022, 02:45:02 PM

New zealand Women VS India Women

Two hours later, the Indian women's team will play against the New Zealand women's team. New Zealand won easily in the only T20 match and in the first two ODIs. The Indian women's team is not performing as well as expected on New Zealand's pitch. I think the New Zealand women's team will win today's match as usual. They will not give India any chance to win.

BCCI is richest board yet they have zero focus on woman cricket. In woman cricket only England, Australia and NZ have strong teams rest of the countries have just team for formalities. Indian woman team is no where near to NZ woman team in T20 and ODI played so far. In t20 India lost by 18 runs while in ODI lost by 62 runs. There are 4 more ODIs still to be played.

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New zealand Women VS India Women

Two hours later, the Indian women's team will play against the New Zealand women's team. New Zealand won easily in the only T20 match and in the first two ODIs. The Indian women's team is not performing as well as expected on New Zealand's pitch. I think the New Zealand women's team will win today's match as usual. They will not give India any chance to win.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on February 14, 2022, 08:59:20 AM

I think against Afghanistan, India is going to try their luck and give the new players a chance to play for the national side and also look how the players do who are new to the international scene.
And I think that will surely give the opponent a good chance of beating India. Back I don't think that India is going to face that much problem from Afghanistan.

Before coming to India, Afghanistan is touring Bangladesh for ODI series. Bangladesh will test new talent in this series as they called 4 uncapped players for this series Ebadot Hossain, Nasum Ahmed, Yasir Ali and Mahmudul Hasan Joy. Its positive sign that cricket in Afghanistan continuous after the regime change there. Afghanistan has made quite progress in ODI and T20I, way more then what Bangladesh achieved in 20 years.

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I think I read same before India tour to South Africa that it will be a piece of cake for India but India lost both Test and ODI series.
Afghanistan is coming to India for playing 3 ODIs and since its home soil for Indian players, that's a big plus for them since they rarely lose on there own pitches. But we still cant rule out the fact that Afghanistan can do some upset.

The expectation for India's tour of South Africa was there because South Africa was literally having a much weaker side and India toured Australia and England and everyone expected the South African tour would be a cake walk but South Africa played really well and showed they can still depend any team in their background.

When it comes to home series, it is a difficult to defeat India if they are playing with their best squad and since they are experimenting with the team all the time giving opportunities to young players and if they think that they need to try young talents then there is a chance for Afghanistan to defeat India, if not it is a hard task for them.

I think against Afghanistan, India is going to try their luck and give the new players a chance to play for the national side and also look how the players do who are new to the international scene.
And I think that will surely give the opponent a good chance of beating India. Back I don't think that India is going to face that much problem from Afghanistan.

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 13, 2022, 09:18:37 PM

Afghanistan still can't be compared to the other test playing nations. They started playing cricket very recently and the first national team was established in the 1990s. On the other hand, South Africa has a cricketing history of more than two centuries and even now they are one of the best in the world. Their poor performance at the international level is not because they don't have talent. Rather, it is due to the fact that a number of their best players emigrate to other countries such as New Zealand and England to escape the quota system.

South Africa is still one of the best teams to play cricket ever. Over the years they have produced a lot of quality cricketers like Jacques Kallis, AB de Villiers, Quinton de Kock, Hashim Amla, and a lot of others.

But they have a lot of problems with their board. And the quota system is absolutely bad for the overall cricket in South Africa. A Lot of young prospects are not being able to show what they are worth for this system.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 13, 2022, 09:18:37 PM

Afghanistan still can't be compared to the other test playing nations. They started playing cricket very recently and the first national team was established in the 1990s. On the other hand, South Africa has a cricketing history of more than two centuries and even now they are one of the best in the world. Their poor performance at the international level is not because they don't have talent. Rather, it is due to the fact that a number of their best players emigrate to other countries such as New Zealand and England to escape the quota system.

I think south Africa past out standing performance was also due to immigrants players that immigrated to south Africa from some other countries. Now what we are seeing is more native player in south africa team. How old or new a team is doesnt matter, good thing about afghan team is that its 100% native players.

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Quote from: Theones on February 13, 2022, 02:23:00 PM

I think I read same before India tour to South Africa that it will be a piece of cake for India but India lost both Test and ODI series.
Afghanistan is coming to India for playing 3 ODIs and since its home soil for Indian players, that's a big plus for them since they rarely lose on there own pitches. But we still cant rule out the fact that Afghanistan can do some upset.

Afghanistan still can't be compared to the other test playing nations. They started playing cricket very recently and the first national team was established in the 1990s. On the other hand, South Africa has a cricketing history of more than two centuries and even now they are one of the best in the world. Their poor performance at the international level is not because they don't have talent. Rather, it is due to the fact that a number of their best players emigrate to other countries such as New Zealand and England to escape the quota system.

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I think I read same before India tour to South Africa that it will be a piece of cake for India but India lost both Test and ODI series.
Afghanistan is coming to India for playing 3 ODIs and since its home soil for Indian players, that's a big plus for them since they rarely lose on there own pitches. But we still cant rule out the fact that Afghanistan can do some upset.

The expectation for India's tour of South Africa was there because South Africa was literally having a much weaker side and India toured Australia and England and everyone expected the South African tour would be a cake walk but South Africa played really well and showed they can still depend any team in their background.

When it comes to home series, it is a difficult to defeat India if they are playing with their best squad and since they are experimenting with the team all the time giving opportunities to young players and if they think that they need to try young talents then there is a chance for Afghanistan to defeat India, if not it is a hard task for them.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on February 13, 2022, 02:17:21 PM

I think there shouldn't be any problem for India to win the series against Afghanistan also.
Considering the state that Afghanistan is in right now as a country I don't think they will be able to do too good in that series.
But, I would also like India to improve their top-order batting also. We know that Afghanistan has a really good spin attack but that might not be enough to stop India, I think.

I think I read same before India tour to South Africa that it will be a piece of cake for India but India lost both Test and ODI series.
Afghanistan is coming to India for playing 3 ODIs and since its home soil for Indian players, that's a big plus for them since they rarely lose on there own pitches. But we still cant rule out the fact that Afghanistan can do some upset.

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West Indies batting lineup is really not that good in my opinion at the moment and they are bowling lineup is also OK-ish. I'm in there really doesn't seem to be a good win condition or a player who can make the difference in the West Indies squad at the moment. And India has performed really consistently in the series even though they are top order were not able to prove themselves.

India did OK, but the top order batting was not impressive. But in the end, they won all the three matches and gained 30 points in the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. Now India has 79 points from 12 matches (they are at 4th position currently). As of now, Sri Lanka, South Africa and Zimbabwe are the teams that are in danger of failing to finish outside the top-8 (in that case they don't get automatic qualification for the 2023 CWC). For India, the next ODI series is against Afghanistan (next month).

I think there shouldn't be any problem for India to win the series against Afghanistan also.
Considering the state that Afghanistan is in right now as a country I don't think they will be able to do too good in that series.
But, I would also like India to improve their top-order batting also. We know that Afghanistan has a really good spin attack but that might not be enough to stop India, I think.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on February 13, 2022, 01:27:28 PM

Virat Kohli is undeniably one of the greatest players to play cricket in this era. I really believe that he has the capability of making a comeback very soon.

But one thing I don't understand about the fans is that when the players are doing well everyone seems to support them but when the player is not doing so good, the fans start to hate on the players and that is the time when the players need the support of his fans the most. Sad

Be its cricket or any other game you need to remain in form and deliver otherwise you will be replaced. Nobody cheers for the player who continuously give no performance. If you see stats of kohli then as a regular batsman he scored his last ton in 2019, even then he is part of team and recently Rohit Sharma saying Kohli will be part of the ODI team.

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Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.

Virat Kohli was having having a dream run for a very long time and even during that period he was well aware that he would be going through a lean patch during his career and that is what is going on in his career right now. He will tweak his flaws and i am sure he will be back in form in a short period of time and one bad serious does not mean anything, he will be back in form.

They are also humans with having all concerns like we have so without any doubt he is facing some bad time in his batting and now with recently few bad management from BCCI and few his own faults making things more terrible so just because of these all he is feeling more pressure.
With this all Indian cricket team having one of the worst schedule because we all can check how these players are living and doing things these all have impact mentality and physically on them even they are professional with better skills and having better environment about this all. Virat Kohli without any doubt legendary cricketer of this era, and he can fight back in near future as he still has nearly 3 or 4 years for international cricket and few more good years in his IPL career but right now he needs something very positive for this all change.

Virat Kohli is undeniably one of the greatest players to play cricket in this era. I really believe that he has the capability of making a comeback very soon.

But one thing I don't understand about the fans is that when the players are doing well everyone seems to support them but when the player is not doing so good, the fans start to hate on the players and that is the time when the players need the support of his fans the most. Sad

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 12, 2022, 10:34:27 PM

India did OK, but the top order batting was not impressive. But in the end, they won all the three matches and gained 30 points in the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. Now India has 79 points from 12 matches (they are at 4th position currently). As of now, Sri Lanka, South Africa and Zimbabwe are the teams that are in danger of failing to finish outside the top-8 (in that case they don't get automatic qualification for the 2023 CWC). For India, the next ODI series is against Afghanistan (next month).

I don't know how this super league works since teams like Bangladesh and Ireland are at number 2 and 4 respectively while Pakistan and NZ are at 9 and 12 respectively. These are based on number of matches but how these matches are scheduled? NZ has only played 3 matches while Bangladesh has 12 and Ireland 18 matches.

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Quote from: DanWalker on February 12, 2022, 04:09:38 PM

West Indies batting lineup is really not that good in my opinion at the moment and they are bowling lineup is also OK-ish. I'm in there really doesn't seem to be a good win condition or a player who can make the difference in the West Indies squad at the moment. And India has performed really consistently in the series even though they are top order were not able to prove themselves.

India did OK, but the top order batting was not impressive. But in the end, they won all the three matches and gained 30 points in the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. Now India has 79 points from 12 matches (they are at 4th position currently). As of now, Sri Lanka, South Africa and Zimbabwe are the teams that are in danger of failing to finish outside the top-8 (in that case they don't get automatic qualification for the 2023 CWC). For India, the next ODI series is against Afghanistan (next month).

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Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.

Virat Kohli was having having a dream run for a very long time and even during that period he was well aware that he would be going through a lean patch during his career and that is what is going on in his career right now. He will tweak his flaws and i am sure he will be back in form in a short period of time and one bad serious does not mean anything, he will be back in form.

They are also humans with having all concerns like we have so without any doubt he is facing some bad time in his batting and now with recently few bad management from BCCI and few his own faults making things more terrible so just because of these all he is feeling more pressure.

With this all Indian cricket team having one of the worst schedule because we all can check how these players are living and doing things these all have impact mentality and physically on them even they are professional with better skills and having better environment about this all. Virat Kohli without any doubt legendary cricketer of this era, and he can fight back in near future as he still has nearly 3 or 4 years for international cricket and few more good years in his IPL career but right now he needs something very positive for this all change.

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Indian batting looks really weak but then the tail end players always take the team to respectable target which is a good sign but the top order was struggling and in all the matches they kept rotating players which i do not understand.

Even with rotating players and none of their main bowlers are in the squad and still they are able to defend small totals. Usually in Indian wickets we expect high scoring matches but none of the matches produced big scores which was a real disappointment and West Indies batting is really pathetic as they are not even able to score anything meaningful throughout the series.

West Indies batting lineup is really not that good in my opinion at the moment and they are bowling lineup is also OK-ish. I'm in there really doesn't seem to be a good win condition or a player who can make the difference in the West Indies squad at the moment. And India has performed really consistently in the series even though they are top order were not able to prove themselves.

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On the other hand, India's top order failed even today. The collection of the first 3 batsmen was only 23 runs. For a long time now we have been seeing weak top order in India.

Perhaps time has come to drop Kohli? When was the last time that he scored a century in an international match? As usual the middle and lower middle order rescued India. Washington Sundar and Deepak Chahar made crucial contributions. On the other hand, the West Indies bowlers once again displayed their incompetence in cleaning up the tail. And I never had any expectations from the West Indies batsmen. They are not suitable for any format other than T20 and as expected they were bowled out in less than 40 overs.

His last ODI century came in 2019, that year he scored 7 tons. 5 in ODI and 2 in Tests. After that everything went down the hill as far as his next ton is concern.
But dropping him sounds strange.
2020 ODI ( 9 innings) 16 , 76, 91, 63, 25, 12, 21, 87, 78
2021 ODI ( 3 innings) 60, 79, 10
2022 ODI ( 6 innings) 51, 5, 65, 8, 18, 0
Total 18 ODI innings and he scored 9 fifties. He's victim of his own records.

I actually remembered that innings in which he scored 91. He really looked set to get a hundred but unfortunately, he chopped the ball onto the stamps and lost his wicket. That was really unlucky, to be honest.
Anyway, @Tony116 I don't think dropping him would be the best decision and yes everyone should have a little more faith in a player like him.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on February 12, 2022, 04:01:29 AM

Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.

Virat Kohli was having having a dream run for a very long time and even during that period he was well aware that he would be going through a lean patch during his career and that is what is going on in his career right now. He will tweak his flaws and i am sure he will be back in form in a short period of time and one bad serious does not mean anything, he will be back in form.

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