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On the other hand, India's top order failed even today. The collection of the first 3 batsmen was only 23 runs. For a long time now we have been seeing weak top order in India.

Perhaps time has come to drop Kohli? When was the last time that he scored a century in an international match? As usual the middle and lower middle order rescued India. Washington Sundar and Deepak Chahar made crucial contributions. On the other hand, the West Indies bowlers once again displayed their incompetence in cleaning up the tail. And I never had any expectations from the West Indies batsmen. They are not suitable for any format other than T20 and as expected they were bowled out in less than 40 overs.

His last ODI century came in 2019, that year he scored 7 tons. 5 in ODI and 2 in Tests. After that everything went down the hill as far as his next ton is concern.
But dropping him sounds strange.
2020 ODI ( 9 innings) 16 , 76, 91, 63, 25, 12, 21, 87, 78
2021 ODI ( 3 innings) 60, 79, 10
2022 ODI ( 6 innings) 51, 5, 65, 8, 18, 0
Total 18 ODI innings and he scored 9 fifties. He's victim of his own records.

I think that if West Indies could have done a little better with their bowling they might have had a chance because they also know that they are not that best-suited team for ODI in terms of batting.
But I also wonder if dropping Kohli would be the best decision!! Everyone should have a little more faith in him.

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The only thing West Indies can be proud of after this series is their bowling line-up. They were able to bowl India all out in 2 out 3 games. This indicates that they bowling attack is still pretty good and that also on Indian pitches which are always more helpful for the batsmen and 300+ scores are easily manageable here. West Indies stopped India at around 250s in both matches. But obviously batting front they were miserable. It's not that their complete batting line-up is very bad. There are a few players who have made their names in leagues around the world but still they have failed miserably in India. I think t20 might be a better and favourable platform for WI, I am not expecting t20s to be a cakewalk for Indian team.

In T20 West Indies will be a different team and will be competitive. It is true that i was surprised with the way in which West Indies bowled throughout the series, Indian batting looks really weak but then the tail end players always take the team to respectable target which is a good sign but the top order was struggling and in all the matches they kept rotating players which i do not understand.

I think India was treating this series like a warm up series for upcoming tours, they knew no matter what happens they are going to win this series for sure so one can try out different combinations to see which one works the best. I feel the experiment failed though in each of the match because top order batsmen couldn't really do that well. But the worry now India should have is that if we performed like this against West Indies what will happen to the batting against big teams.

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Total 18 ODI innings and he scored 9 fifties. He's victim of his own records.

He is not going to be dropped atleast in ODIs as Rohit Sharma Laughs Off Concerns Regarding Virat Kohli, Says Team Management Not Worried At All. Rohit sharma pays back what kohli gave to Rohit sharma in T20 WC. I don't think due to his performance he deserves a slot in Indian squad.

Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.

This current ODI series is second worst of his career as second time he fails to have average in single digit, but with this all he is still very elegant player who can perform few more years for his team and country in very good way. Rohit Sharma is going to with him in this bad time is something very important for this great player of current era.

Could see the openers were not on track as expected in the 2nd ODI but yes the players from the middle orders were really awesome. Surya and Rahul supported and lead the score move up much faster though wickets were falling down back to back. But every player did contribute 2 digit of scores added to the table. Since its a game, even a good player will go out without any score. Yes Rohit has to tune himself on areas he is bit lacking. Rohit must keep aside his captain-ship aside when he is on pitch and play confidently as he always does. I am sure the openers including Kohli will be focusing on their performance in the upcoming ODI. Will wait and see.

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Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.
This current ODI series is second worst of his career as second time he fails to have average in single digit, but with this all he is still very elegant player who can perform few more years for his team and country in very good way. Rohit Sharma is going to with him in this bad time is something very important for this great player of current era.

The question is how long Indian team will wait for kohli to return to his form? Are they going to wait for indefinite period. There is lot of talent lined up why not give some new talent a chance to perform while kohli goes back and recover his form in domestic cricket. Rohit Sharma won't be siding him forever if kohli continues such form.

I think that it is just him having a bad time then we really should not blame Kohli because he is facing some tough times right now and ideally think that every player should concentrate on his mental health which is really important for a player to perform well and consistently. And obviously, if a player has a bad series it's not going to be the end of his career, right?

Yes, Kohli will surely come back to form. This time it is taking more time. For a long Kohli is the one that is driving India towards win on majority of the matches. Whenever Kohli lacks performance that match would be really a tough one for India. As said players performance used to vary between time. Now Kohli is experiencing it and the return seems to be more powerful.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on February 12, 2022, 04:01:29 AM

Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.
This current ODI series is second worst of his career as second time he fails to have average in single digit, but with this all he is still very elegant player who can perform few more years for his team and country in very good way. Rohit Sharma is going to with him in this bad time is something very important for this great player of current era.

The question is how long Indian team will wait for kohli to return to his form? Are they going to wait for indefinite period. There is lot of talent lined up why not give some new talent a chance to perform while kohli goes back and recover his form in domestic cricket. Rohit Sharma won't be siding him forever if kohli continues such form.

I think that it is just him having a bad time then we really should not blame Kohli because he is facing some tough times right now and ideally think that every player should concentrate on his mental health which is really important for a player to perform well and consistently. And obviously, if a player has a bad series it's not going to be the end of his career, right?

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on February 12, 2022, 04:01:29 AM

Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.

This current ODI series is second worst of his career as second time he fails to have average in single digit, but with this all he is still very elegant player who can perform few more years for his team and country in very good way. Rohit Sharma is going to with him in this bad time is something very important for this great player of current era.

The question is how long Indian team will wait for kohli to return to his form? Are they going to wait for indefinite period. There is lot of talent lined up why not give some new talent a chance to perform while kohli goes back and recover his form in domestic cricket. Rohit Sharma won't be siding him forever if kohli continues such form.

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Total 18 ODI innings and he scored 9 fifties. He's victim of his own records.

He is not going to be dropped atleast in ODIs as Rohit Sharma Laughs Off Concerns Regarding Virat Kohli, Says Team Management Not Worried At All. Rohit sharma pays back what kohli gave to Rohit sharma in T20 WC. I don't think due to his performance he deserves a slot in Indian squad.

Even Kohli is facing the worst time of his career but still having very strong back up from his team and current management is very good he can fight back anytime in near future because we have a very long history of bad patches of great batsmen, and they fight back done good for their respective teams same can happen here in Kohli.

This current ODI series is second worst of his career as second time he fails to have average in single digit, but with this all he is still very elegant player who can perform few more years for his team and country in very good way. Rohit Sharma is going to with him in this bad time is something very important for this great player of current era.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 12, 2022, 01:41:36 AM

Total 18 ODI innings and he scored 9 fifties. He's victim of his own records.

He is not going to be dropped atleast in ODIs as Rohit Sharma Laughs Off Concerns Regarding Virat Kohli, Says Team Management Not Worried At All. Rohit sharma pays back what kohli gave to Rohit sharma in T20 WC. I don't think due to his performance he deserves a slot in Indian squad.

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On the other hand, India's top order failed even today. The collection of the first 3 batsmen was only 23 runs. For a long time now we have been seeing weak top order in India.

Perhaps time has come to drop Kohli? When was the last time that he scored a century in an international match? As usual the middle and lower middle order rescued India. Washington Sundar and Deepak Chahar made crucial contributions. On the other hand, the West Indies bowlers once again displayed their incompetence in cleaning up the tail. And I never had any expectations from the West Indies batsmen. They are not suitable for any format other than T20 and as expected they were bowled out in less than 40 overs.

His last ODI century came in 2019, that year he scored 7 tons. 5 in ODI and 2 in Tests. After that everything went down the hill as far as his next ton is concern.

But dropping him sounds strange.

2020 ODI ( 9 innings) 16 , 76, 91, 63, 25, 12, 21, 87, 78

2021 ODI ( 3 innings) 60, 79, 10

2022 ODI ( 6 innings) 51, 5, 65, 8, 18, 0

Total 18 ODI innings and he scored 9 fifties. He's victim of his own records.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 11, 2022, 09:25:25 PM

Perhaps time has come to drop Kohli? When was the last time that he scored a century in an international match? As usual the middle and lower middle order rescued India. Washington Sundar and Deepak Chahar made crucial contributions. On the other hand, the West Indies bowlers once again displayed their incompetence in cleaning up the tail. And I never had any expectations from the West Indies batsmen. They are not suitable for any format other than T20 and as expected they were bowled out in less than 40 overs.

I think the recent row between bcci and Kohli has negative impact on kohli performance. He is continuously down since that rift. I do agree with you kohli must be given some break. Sometimes giving yourself some break is good to regain form. Kohli is integral part of Indian team and I don't think bcci will drop him despite his bad performance.

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On the other hand, India's top order failed even today. The collection of the first 3 batsmen was only 23 runs. For a long time now we have been seeing weak top order in India.

Perhaps time has come to drop Kohli? When was the last time that he scored a century in an international match? As usual the middle and lower middle order rescued India. Washington Sundar and Deepak Chahar made crucial contributions. On the other hand, the West Indies bowlers once again displayed their incompetence in cleaning up the tail. And I never had any expectations from the West Indies batsmen. They are not suitable for any format other than T20 and as expected they were bowled out in less than 40 overs.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on February 11, 2022, 04:41:09 PM

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Indian batting looks really weak but then the tail end players always take the team to respectable target which is a good sign but the top order was struggling and in all the matches they kept rotating players which i do not understand.

Even with rotating players and none of their main bowlers are in the squad and still they are able to defend small totals. Usually in Indian wickets we expect high scoring matches but none of the matches produced big scores which was a real disappointment and West Indies batting is really pathetic as they are not even able to score anything meaningful throughout the series.

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Quote from: teosanru on February 11, 2022, 02:22:39 PM

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The only thing West Indies can be proud of after this series is their bowling line-up. They were able to bowl India all out in 2 out 3 games. This indicates that they bowling attack is still pretty good and that also on Indian pitches which are always more helpful for the batsmen and 300+ scores are easily manageable here. West Indies stopped India at around 250s in both matches. But obviously batting front they were miserable. It's not that their complete batting line-up is very bad. There are a few players who have made their names in leagues around the world but still they have failed miserably in India. I think t20 might be a better and favourable platform for WI, I am not expecting t20s to be a cakewalk for Indian team.

In T20 West Indies will be a different team and will be competitive. It is true that i was surprised with the way in which West Indies bowled throughout the series, Indian batting looks really weak but then the tail end players always take the team to respectable target which is a good sign but the top order was struggling and in all the matches they kept rotating players which i do not understand.

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West Indies lost by 96 runs even after India gave a target of only 26 runs. I knew the West Indies batting line-up was weak, but I never thought they would play so badly. Odean Smith is the highest run scorer for West Indies. He has scored 36 runs off 18 balls. On the other hand, India's top order failed even today. The collection of the first 3 batsmen was only 23 runs. For a long time now we have been seeing weak top order in India.

There isn't much to say about West Indies batting in all three ODIs, it failed miserably. West Indies is no more a team we saw in 90s when Walsh, Ambrose, Carl Hopper and Brian Lara were in team and it was terrible feeling playing against them. They are good in T20 only, next are 3 T20Is on kolkata and West Indies need to win them to avoid further humiliation.

The only thing West Indies can be proud of after this series is their bowling line-up. They were able to bowl India all out in 2 out 3 games. This indicates that they bowling attack is still pretty good and that also on Indian pitches which are always more helpful for the batsmen and 300+ scores are easily manageable here. West Indies stopped India at around 250s in both matches. But obviously batting front they were miserable. It's not that their complete batting line-up is very bad. There are a few players who have made their names in leagues around the world but still they have failed miserably in India. I think t20 might be a better and favourable platform for WI, I am not expecting t20s to be a cakewalk for Indian team.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on February 11, 2022, 11:36:51 AM

West Indies lost by 96 runs even after India gave a target of only 26 runs. I knew the West Indies batting line-up was weak, but I never thought they would play so badly. Odean Smith is the highest run scorer for West Indies. He has scored 36 runs off 18 balls. On the other hand, India's top order failed even today. The collection of the first 3 batsmen was only 23 runs. For a long time now we have been seeing weak top order in India.

There isn't much to say about West Indies batting in all three ODIs, it failed miserably. West Indies is no more a team we saw in 90s when Walsh, Ambrose, Carl Hopper and Brian Lara were in team and it was terrible feeling playing against them. They are good in T20 only, next are 3 T20Is on kolkata and West Indies need to win them to avoid further humiliation.

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Quote from: CryptoBuds on February 11, 2022, 11:36:51 AM

West Indies lost by 96 runs even after India gave a target of only 26 runs. I knew the West Indies batting line-up was weak, but I never thought they would play so badly. Odean Smith is the highest run scorer for West Indies. He has scored 36 runs off 18 balls. On the other hand, India's top order failed even today. The collection of the first 3 batsmen was only 23 runs. For a long time now we have been seeing weak top order in India.

West indies players know only how to play in T20 cricket. They dont have the skill to bat for 50 overs build the innings and score any decent runs. I know they will play better in t20 matches . India won the series 3-0 but thier top order has not scored runs and this will be a problem when they play top ranked sides.

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West Indies lost by 96 runs even after India gave a target of only 26 runs. I knew the West Indies batting line-up was weak, but I never thought they would play so badly. Odean Smith is the highest run scorer for West Indies. He has scored 36 runs off 18 balls. On the other hand, India's top order failed even today. The collection of the first 3 batsmen was only 23 runs. For a long time now we have been seeing weak top order in India.

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India VS West Indies

India will face West Indies in the last ODI of the series today. India have won the first two matches by a landslide. And as usual we have seen poor batting in the West Indies. It seems we will see the same thing today. The West Indies are going through a very bad time. The team has less experienced players. And the batsmen are not playing well. They should now organize a series against a weaker team.

India at this moment is far better than West Indies. There was a time when West Indies was better than a lot of other teams but that is history and now West Indies can barely put up any competition against India. And yes I also think that they should errand a test series against a weaker team right now and build up some confidence and also try to fix the problems that they are facing now.

The Indians continue to dominate the West Indies, winning the series 3-0. There was no competition, and West Indies lost another disappointing series. For the first time ever, India has swept West Indies in an ODI series. A 100+ run partnership was put together by the middle order batsmen S Iyer and Pant after India lost their top 3 early on. That this team doesn't rely on the top is nice to see.

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Quote from: Minor Miner on February 11, 2022, 08:08:42 AM

Actually, from my point of view, I think that there are already only a few teams playing cricket.

Only 12 Nations are playing test cricket who has the test status and making legs come on only these 12 teams looks just unreasonable to me. I think it's better if all these teams play against each other. And ICC should consult rate on the bigger problem which is how to increase the population of cricket and cricket playing countries. I don't know why they are not interested to make cricket a global game.

There are 10 teams that have test status till date. Right now only 6 are competitive while teams like Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe are very much down in there test performance. Afghanistan is far better then these 4 sites for test status. I dont know whether ICC is doing something to raise the quality of cricket in these countries or its all left on the boards.

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Not so easy because test status is not freebies anymore, like it used to be in the past. But there is a possibility, if by any chance domestic system collapse completely. It includes everything List A, ODI (Young, adult team -Men/Women), Grounds, funding etc etc

Agreed. Once a team is granted test status, then it is permanent. Only in the case of Zimbabwe, the status was suspended for a limited duration. Right now we have got 4 good teams at the top (India, Australia, England and New Zealand) and then 5 other teams at the bottom who are unable to compete with the former group. And then we have 3 who are there just to make up the numbers (Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan). I have long argued for three divisions of 5 teams each, but it will never be implemented by the ICC.

Agreed.. Relegation is the solution.
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Actually, from my point of view, I think that there are already only a few teams playing cricket.

Only 12 Nations are playing test cricket who has the test status and making legs come on only these 12 teams looks just unreasonable to me. I think it's better if all these teams play against each other. And ICC should consult rate on the bigger problem which is how to increase the population of cricket and cricket playing countries. I don't know why they are not interested to make cricket a global game.

Quote from: BALIK on February 11, 2022, 12:25:20 AM

India VS West Indies

India will face West Indies in the last ODI of the series today. India have won the first two matches by a landslide. And as usual we have seen poor batting in the West Indies. It seems we will see the same thing today. The West Indies are going through a very bad time. The team has less experienced players. And the batsmen are not playing well. They should now organize a series against a weaker team.

India at this moment is far better than West Indies. There was a time when West Indies was better than a lot of other teams but that is history and now West Indies can barely put up any competition against India. And yes I also think that they should errand a test series against a weaker team right now and build up some confidence and also try to fix the problems that they are facing now.

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