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Not so easy because test status is not freebies anymore, like it used to be in the past. But there is a possibility, if by any chance domestic system collapse completely. It includes everything List A, ODI (Young, adult team -Men/Women), Grounds, funding etc etc

Agreed. Once a team is granted test status, then it is permanent. Only in the case of Zimbabwe, the status was suspended for a limited duration. Right now we have got 4 good teams at the top (India, Australia, England and New Zealand) and then 5 other teams at the bottom who are unable to compete with the former group. And then we have 3 who are there just to make up the numbers (Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan). I have long argued for three divisions of 5 teams each, but it will never be implemented by the ICC.

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India VS West Indies

India will face West Indies in the last ODI of the series today. India have won the first two matches by a landslide. And as usual we have seen poor batting in the West Indies. It seems we will see the same thing today. The West Indies are going through a very bad time. The team has less experienced players. And the batsmen are not playing well. They should now organize a series against a weaker team.

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Today is the third one day match between India and westindies with India already won the series. But I am expecting india to clean sweep and win the series 3-0.
India may give chance to new players in this match.
But in this match I want to see Virat score some runs. We are waiting for a century from him since 2 years now.

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Quote from: JSRAW on February 10, 2022, 03:16:02 AM

Not so easy because test status is not freebies anymore, like it used to be in the past. But there is a possibility, if by any chance domestic system collapse completely. It includes everything List A, ODI (Young, adult team -Men/Women), Grounds, funding etc etc

Agreed. Once a team is granted test status, then it is permanent. Only in the case of Zimbabwe, the status was suspended for a limited duration. Right now we have got 4 good teams at the top (India, Australia, England and New Zealand) and then 5 other teams at the bottom who are unable to compete with the former group. And then we have 3 who are there just to make up the numbers (Zimbabwe, Ireland and Afghanistan). I have long argued for three divisions of 5 teams each, but it will never be implemented by the ICC.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on February 10, 2022, 01:37:34 PM

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Second ODI clearly proves that WIndies have strength in there bowling line up as they bowled out world best batting line up for 237. 237 is an easy target these days in 50 overs game and as you said there is no need to hit sixes or play aggressively, just build partnerships and finish the game. Third odi is scheduled tomorrow, let's see whether WIndies can avoid whitewash.

The West Indies bowlers have done very well and I don't think that. And also think that they are not enough experienced. India have scored only 237 runs as their players have been out of form for a long time. There is no batsman in the Indian squad at the moment who is consistently performing. Virat Kohli has not been in form for a long time, Rohit Sharma's performance is not satisfactory. KL Rahu also lost form. So, I don't want to give West Indies players the credit for giving India such a low target.

Maybe thats the real condition of the Indian team, but the bowlers contribution is the key reason to restrict within 237 runs. Based on the second ODI, the batsmen needs to find a way to score with patience taking in account the target and the required run rate. West Indies players always try to go aggressive without understanding the scenario of the match. This kind of play is good for T20, but won't help win ODI

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Quote from: Lordshiva on February 10, 2022, 01:31:29 AM

Well west indies had a good chance to win in yesterday's match with such a low total to chase when you see these days in 50 overs format but these batsman just dont know how to build an innings. They just know how to hit sixes but taking singles building innings taking the game deep they must learn otherwise their team is looking really bad in one day internationals.

I think West Indies players have less experience and less patience. Their squad is only suitable for T20 format. The West Indies board should be more attentive to the players. Their position in the Test format is much worse now. At the same time, their performance in ODI format is getting worse. If they do not take appropriate action now, their performance will be worse in the future.

From early days of their cricket they are mostly playing very aggressive cricket which was their trademark but sadly in last two decades their quality is very poor, and they are not doing any good thing for improving this and having some better results.

Now, it's time for them to have just ODI and Twenty/20 formats give up to Test because most chances this change can give them some better result in test matches they are completely down and out but in these two formats they have some better and valuable players. Recently, their domestic set up is also not helping them for improving quality and search for better skilled players. Now Zimbabwe and West Indies are in same level and both are going more down with having no chance for better result in near future.

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Quote from: coinism on February 10, 2022, 01:14:14 PM

Second ODI clearly proves that WIndies have strength in there bowling line up as they bowled out world best batting line up for 237. 237 is an easy target these days in 50 overs game and as you said there is no need to hit sixes or play aggressively, just build partnerships and finish the game. Third odi is scheduled tomorrow, let's see whether WIndies can avoid whitewash.

The West Indies bowlers have done very well and I don't think that. And also think that they are not enough experienced. India have scored only 237 runs as their players have been out of form for a long time. There is no batsman in the Indian squad at the moment who is consistently performing. Virat Kohli has not been in form for a long time, Rohit Sharma's performance is not satisfactory. KL Rahu also lost form. So, I don't want to give West Indies players the credit for giving India such a low target.

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Quote from: coinism on February 10, 2022, 01:14:14 PM

Quote from: Lordshiva on February 10, 2022, 01:31:29 AM

Well west indies had a good chance to win in yesterday's match with such a low total to chase when you see these days in 50 overs format but these batsman just dont know how to build an innings. They just know how to hit sixes but taking singles building innings taking the game deep they must learn otherwise their team is looking really bad in one day internationals.

Second ODI clearly proves that WIndies have strength in there bowling line up as they bowled out world best batting line up for 237. 237 is an easy target these days in 50 overs game and as you said there is no need to hit sixes or play aggressively, just build partnerships and finish the game. Third odi is scheduled tomorrow, let's see whether WIndies can avoid whitewash.

^ To win ODI, you must have team performance rather than relying on a single player. (sometimes a single player's good performance can win the match)
You should have to use every single ball and perform well towards the end.

And here is the weakness of the West Indies team. You know, any team can win T20 game only if they have some hard-hitter batsmen and because of having more hard-hitter batsmen, West Indies can win T20 games most of the time. But for ODI they can't win even if they have good hard-hitter batsmen, team performance is the main factor in this case.

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Quote from: Lordshiva on February 10, 2022, 01:31:29 AM

Well west indies had a good chance to win in yesterday's match with such a low total to chase when you see these days in 50 overs format but these batsman just dont know how to build an innings. They just know how to hit sixes but taking singles building innings taking the game deep they must learn otherwise their team is looking really bad in one day internationals.

Second ODI clearly proves that WIndies have strength in there bowling line up as they bowled out world best batting line up for 237. 237 is an easy target these days in 50 overs game and as you said there is no need to hit sixes or play aggressively, just build partnerships and finish the game. Third odi is scheduled tomorrow, let's see whether WIndies can avoid whitewash.

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Quote from: kro55 on February 10, 2022, 03:38:00 AM

Quote from: Lordshiva on February 10, 2022, 01:31:29 AM

Well west indies had a good chance to win in yesterday's match with such a low total to chase when you see these days in 50 overs format but these batsman just dont know how to build an innings. They just know how to hit sixes but taking singles building innings taking the game deep they must learn otherwise their team is looking really bad in one day internationals.

I think West Indies players have less experience and less patience. Their squad is only suitable for T20 format. The West Indies board should be more attentive to the players. Their position in the Test format is much worse now. At the same time, their performance in ODI format is getting worse. If they do not take appropriate action now, their performance will be worse in the future.

It's been a long time since I have seen West Indies perform at a decent level in any format of cricket. And for me, West Indies has always been a better team for the T20 format rather than the test or one-day international.

They have the power heater so can make or break the game at any given time. But experience comes in handy in especially ODI and test cricket. They have to simply learn from their mistakes right now.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2022, 09:00:18 PM

West Indies is good only in one format (T20) and they are uncompetitive in any other. Their batsmen are good only for short quick blasts and they don't have the ability to build an innings patiently. Previously they had players of test quality such as Shivnarine Chanderpaul and Ramnaresh Sarwan, but then the race and religion based selection policy followed by the selectors meant that quality players quit the game. Along with Zimbabwe, the test status of West Indies need to be revoked. There are far better teams out there.

West indies have embraced T20 revolution more then any country. There players were absent from national bilateral series instead prefer playing T20 leagues. WI is no more suitable for ODI and test, this is something not good for cricket. We are continuously losing Test teams.

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Quote from: Lordshiva on February 10, 2022, 01:31:29 AM

Well west indies had a good chance to win in yesterday's match with such a low total to chase when you see these days in 50 overs format but these batsman just dont know how to build an innings. They just know how to hit sixes but taking singles building innings taking the game deep they must learn otherwise their team is looking really bad in one day internationals.

I think West Indies players have less experience and less patience. Their squad is only suitable for T20 format. The West Indies board should be more attentive to the players. Their position in the Test format is much worse now. At the same time, their performance in ODI format is getting worse. If they do not take appropriate action now, their performance will be worse in the future.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2022, 09:00:18 PM

West Indies is good only in one format (T20) and they are uncompetitive in any other. Their batsmen are good only for short quick blasts and they don't have the ability to build an innings patiently.

So does this mean we may see some good competition in the T20 series which is starting from 16 of feb on the famous Kolkata ground ?

Yeah, very much possible unless pitches are slow. If not then we can expect cracking T-20 series and even Windies dominating the Indians.

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Along with Zimbabwe, the test status of West Indies need to be revoked. There are far better teams out there.

What is the exact criteria of revoking the test status of a country? As a team playing for so many years and performing badly for a year and you will revoke its test status? I think the status should not be revoked on the basis of recent performances.

Not so easy because test status is not freebies anymore, like it used to be in the past. But there is a possibility, if by any chance domestic system collapse completely. It includes everything List A, ODI (Young, adult team -Men/Women), Grounds, funding etc etc

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West Indies batting lieup is now weak. Any target above 200 is now a big target for the West Indies. Moreover, India's bowling lineup is good enough now. We also saw West Indies batting in the first match. They lost all their wickets to collect only 176 runs. So in this match too I guess they will not be able to collect around 200. And West Indies finished their innings with 193 runs.

West Indies is good only in one format (T20) and they are uncompetitive in any other. Their batsmen are good only for short quick blasts and they don't have the ability to build an innings patiently. Previously they had players of test quality such as Shivnarine Chanderpaul and Ramnaresh Sarwan, but then the race and religion based selection policy followed by the selectors meant that quality players quit the game. Along with Zimbabwe, the test status of West Indies need to be revoked. There are far better teams out there.

Well west indies had a good chance to win in yesterday's match with such a low total to chase when you see these days in 50 overs format but these batsman just dont know how to build an innings. They just know how to hit sixes but taking singles building innings taking the game deep they must learn otherwise their team is looking really bad in one day internationals.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2022, 09:00:18 PM

West Indies is good only in one format (T20) and they are uncompetitive in any other. Their batsmen are good only for short quick blasts and they don't have the ability to build an innings patiently.

So does this mean we may see some good competition in the T20 series which is starting from 16 of feb on the famous Kolkata ground ?

Quote from: Sithara007 on February 09, 2022, 09:00:18 PM

Along with Zimbabwe, the test status of West Indies need to be revoked. There are far better teams out there.

What is the exact criteria of revoking the test status of a country? As a team playing for so many years and performing badly for a year and you will revoke its test status? I think the status should not be revoked on the basis of recent performances.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on February 09, 2022, 01:56:57 PM

West Indies batting lieup is now weak. Any target above 200 is now a big target for the West Indies. Moreover, India's bowling lineup is good enough now. We also saw West Indies batting in the first match. They lost all their wickets to collect only 176 runs. So in this match too I guess they will not be able to collect around 200. And West Indies finished their innings with 193 runs.

West Indies is good only in one format (T20) and they are uncompetitive in any other. Their batsmen are good only for short quick blasts and they don't have the ability to build an innings patiently. Previously they had players of test quality such as Shivnarine Chanderpaul and Ramnaresh Sarwan, but then the race and religion based selection policy followed by the selectors meant that quality players quit the game. Along with Zimbabwe, the test status of West Indies need to be revoked. There are far better teams out there.

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Quote from: jostorres on February 09, 2022, 01:13:14 PM

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Right now, they are facing West Indies which is currently worst team in all formats and in future they are going to face some big challenges which require better contribution from all players and very strong leadership.

India is also going through a shift in phase, Virat Kohli is not the captain anymore and they need to find a good balance in the team. West Indies is not having a great time for Test and ODI, but for T20 you cannot neglect their batting power as they can defeat any team when they are in form especially their T20 specialist bowlers.

India struggled with the bat and i expected they would score a huge total but it was a disappointing performance but West Indies did not have the players to pose any challenge.

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Quote from: galambo on February 09, 2022, 01:44:14 PM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on February 09, 2022, 01:31:17 PM

Although India have a great win against the West Indies, they still have the weakness of their top order. Rohit Sharma has scored only 5 runs. Rishab Pant and Kohli collected 18 run each. India won this match only because of the good performance of their bowlers. I want to give full credit to the bowlers for winning the match. Every bowler has bowled well enough. However, Prashidh Krishna's performance was outstanding. He took 4 wickets with only for 12 runs.

Credit also goes to weak West Indies batting line up who fail to chase such a small target. There bowling did a great job to restrict india at 237 in 50 overs. India still have fine batting side. Apart from Brooks and Hosein there is nobody who did any contribution in batting. WI only aim now is to avoid whitewash.

Now day by day West Indian cricket is going more down, and they are losing ground because of internal issues and lack of better planning which was need to do some long ago, but they never think about this all, and now they are worst team in cricket from one of best cricketing nation. Even they still have some good talent but wired things happening as Cricket Board completely fail to settle things with players, and now they are happy with their franchise career instead of having some better relationship with board and country.

Recently defeat from Ireland is one off dark day for them as most chances now they will drop out from top 10 and most chances we will have this team just in papers or in media in next few years. In today match Indian batting line-up was also not good but still this was very big target for them.

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Quote from: galambo on February 09, 2022, 01:44:14 PM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on February 09, 2022, 01:31:17 PM

Although India have a great win against the West Indies, they still have the weakness of their top order. Rohit Sharma has scored only 5 runs. Rishab Pant and Kohli collected 18 run each. India won this match only because of the good performance of their bowlers. I want to give full credit to the bowlers for winning the match. Every bowler has bowled well enough. However, Prashidh Krishna's performance was outstanding. He took 4 wickets with only for 12 runs.

Credit also goes to weak West Indies batting line up who fail to chase such a small target. There bowling did a great job to restrict india at 237 in 50 overs. India still have fine batting side. Apart from Brooks and Hosein there is nobody who did any contribution in batting. WI only aim now is to avoid whitewash.

West Indies batting lieup is now weak. Any target above 200 is now a big target for the West Indies. Moreover, India's bowling lineup is good enough now. We also saw West Indies batting in the first match. They lost all their wickets to collect only 176 runs. So in this match too I guess they will not be able to collect around 200. And West Indies finished their innings with 193 runs.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on February 09, 2022, 01:31:17 PM

Although India have a great win against the West Indies, they still have the weakness of their top order. Rohit Sharma has scored only 5 runs. Rishab Pant and Kohli collected 18 run each. India won this match only because of the good performance of their bowlers. I want to give full credit to the bowlers for winning the match. Every bowler has bowled well enough. However, Prashidh Krishna's performance was outstanding. He took 4 wickets with only for 12 runs.

Credit also goes to weak West Indies batting line up who fail to chase such a small target. There bowling did a great job to restrict india at 237 in 50 overs. India still have fine batting side. Apart from Brooks and Hosein there is nobody who did any contribution in batting. WI only aim now is to avoid whitewash.

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