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September 28, 2013, 09:21:58 AM
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Now that everyone with PayPal and Credit Cards have done charge backs, Terrahash does not have the ability to continue doing business which means everyone that did a Wire or paid in BTC gets screwed over. So while you are correct and that everyone should have got a refund, you also screwed over everyone that couldn't get a refund and had to try to stick it out.
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Let me get this straight -- you're blaming the chargeback folks for your losses?
They "screwed [you] over"?
Not Terrahash?
4Realz?
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September 28, 2013, 09:10:27 AM
eWarriors on this thread sicken me, not a single on of them would be able to stand up and say what they need to say in the physical world.

A "Real Man" would be able to talk with their enemy instead of hide behind a keyboard, they wouldn't feel the need to come on here to beg and plead about receiving some sort of self serving apology.

You clowns can hide behind your username, talk all of the shit you want, and guess what it doesn't mean anything other than you are a pathetic loser. You guys must not believe in yourselves very much because as soon as I mentioned an actual verbal conversation you decline and get defensive. You guys are not fooling anyone, if you want to be taken seriously then stop your eWarrior bullshit and actually talk to people that are involved.


That being said I'll give Atomic somewhat of what he wants:

gbx is right with what he said:

I was also one of the believers here too.  Up until about a week before Terrahash's announcement did I continue hope that they would deliver.


Just because I was a "Vocal Cheerleader" as you might say, nothing I ever said was incorrect at the time I said it and you know this to be true. Everyone can look back and know the outcome might be wrong in the end but during the process there might not have been anything wrong.

The customers that contacted me have about $125,000 worth of money on the line. I personally have $21,000 in addition to the $125,000. Not a single one of us wants to see Terrahash dissolve or go bankrupt but apparently you guys did and got your wish.
No one ever knew Terrahash was planning on doing this, we all knew and I've said this before that they were incompetent and were not going to be able to get us the Avalon Gen 1 which is fine because if they did hand those to us now it would probably make less money than the 50% Bullshit they plan to refund.
We can only go based on what Terrahash told us and if they had a plan to figure out how to get customers their money back in full, anyone that didn't have an easy way out like PayPal or Credit Cards had to put all their hope into this idea.
Now that everyone with PayPal and Credit Cards have done charge backs, Terrahash does not have the ability to continue doing business which means everyone that did a Wire or paid in BTC gets screwed over. So while the trolls were correct in the long run and that everyone should have got a refund, they also screwed over everyone that couldn't get a refund and had to try to stick it out.

So while you guys can keep begging and pleading for me to admit that I was wrong, which is extremely childish I might add, I won't because at the time I wasn't. You don't see me "Cheerleading" now do you? No, you see me taking the appropriate action to help out customers but again you guys are eWarriors and that doesn't matter, all that matters is that you can try to bully someone without having any skin in the game, hiding behind your monitor. Pathetic.

This being said,

No one else needs to get involved with these trolls via banter, it's useless as you can see.


My offer for any of you trolls to talk with me on skype is still open however I know once you do you won't be able to come back here and talk your constant shit anymore so I fully expect you guys to continue to decline it.
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September 28, 2013, 04:24:43 AM

Relax, take a deep breath and chill.

You being right just screwed over tons of people, I'm sure you enjoy it.

Now please stop trolling this thread, some of us are trying to get work done.

It has been suggested, and many agree, that you being WRONG had more to do with it.

Dude honestly. What is wrong with the society today? Atomic and btc back off and you get 10 more that keep talking shit. Just stop talking irrelevant stuff in this thread. If you got nothing nice to say or help dont say anything at all. Your mom should have taught you that a long time ago  Roll Eyes  Grin

Please forgive me Shimple, I forgot, you have sand in your vagina.

You ask
"What is wrong with the society today?"

Well, for one thing you have people like this that harp about honesty;

Hey, as the title says I am selling my TerraHash order. The order is all paid for and as you can view in the picture it is "processing".

Picture: http://gyazo.com/39c5c7b3f5e7fbffed2cdf4f7cab525b

I am selling it for only $2000 USD and you will have to pay the shipping (I will try hard to convince TerraHash to change the shipping address to yours so you can receive it faster). If I am not able to get the address changed (it is a possibility) I will be sending it the very same day I receive the order.

I am in desperate need for money at the moment, that is why I am selling it for a lot cheaper then I got it for.

I will not be offering a refund for any reason what so ever. If you purchase it, it is yours. Purchase is final.

I will however be accepting PayPal, Wire Transfer, or any other method you have in mind, and of course I will accept BTC (We will convert $2000 USD into Bitcoins at the time of the purchase).

I live in Canada so if you do decide to pay via PayPal, Wire Transfer, etc we will convert $2000 USD to CAD that way I can avoid loosing a lot at my local bank conversions.

Please contact me via a PM here.

Thanks a lot for reading, it is much appreciated,

Filip K. (Shimple)

Those who try to scam others to try to get back money they were scammed out of.

Too bad they mammy did not skool them better.

You knew you were scammed before you tried to scam others IMneverHO based on statements like this;

I see a few people are organizing groups to sue one of the companies out there. I believe it was Yusif or whatever his name is. Has anyone here taught about taking legal action against them? I might just get a lawyer to send them a letter or something. Maybe take it to the next step. The fact that hchc has SENT them chips for his board and STILL has not gotten it is ridicules. On top of that, the fact that they are absolutely IGNORING everyone here, even hchc who has sent HIS chips in? What the ef? Really TH?

Give us an update or a refund. Enough is enough. What you are running is not a business. This is bull sh*t.

Sincerely,

Very pissed off customer!

and this


Yes, but like you said. Scam is getting no money back. If they ever ship the product, which is going to be in months it will be worth $0. So technically its the same as getting scammed.

Had they had more communication, posting issues etc they would have been able to figure it out by now with the sample boards they had but they completely suck at communication.

Too smart by 1/2
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September 28, 2013, 02:11:53 AM
Shimple,

I get that you lost money, and you think somehow the idiotic banter in this thread somehow impacts your odds of a refund, but the bottom line is you probably won't see a thing, unless you pursue action on your own.

Nobody "backed off" of Bar, there is just nothing more that I need to say on the matter. He's been wrong since the start, made a fool of himself, and people see it for what it is. Some side with him, others side with the many that questioned TH since June, only to be insulted along the way by the very vocal cheerleader.  I just simply figured I'd throw some facts out to help those of you that lost money, since I always enjoy the thrill of the hunt, and I understand this personal beef is not something people that lost money want to read.

He mocked people that got refunds, claimed imaginary badges by defending TH when anyone questioned them, and then deleted all his pro-TH messages and other threads when he was constantly called out or mocked for his missteps. We all make mistakes, some more than others, but most of us can at least man up about them and admit it.

Again, you're siding with the person that helped string you along, and now you're holding on to him because you're desperate to get your money back. As stated, I hope he succeeds to balance out the karma he spoke of in one deleted message, that went on to state that those getting refunds were trying to kill TH and deserve bad karma.

I'm stirring up the rats nest again, but don't defend someone that didn't do you any good.

Quote from: Bargraphics
Fair points,

Let's say I believe somewhat in Karma, at least in that you can try to justify something as much as you want and as long as you want but only YOU truly know if regardless of legalities if what you did was morally and ethically correct.

I personally understand TH's position and every DIY's position out there and would rather give them a chance to make things right or give them a chance to get that refund from Yifi, provide a product, or do whatever they have to do before giving them a chargeback. This is correct morally and ethically based on the type of product I purchased from them at least for me. They only need 1-2 months maximum to get back to customers with what they were able to accomplish in this area, if there is no product, there is no partial refund and a product, there isn't a full refund, then yes action can be taken.

If you feel self justified to try and kill a company that literally came into this space trying to help miners by asking for a mass exodus of refunds then go ahead no one is stopping you. Just understand you have to live with that fact that you value greed over integrity.

There's really not much else to say, there's no argument to be had on this discussion. Obviously there's a simple difference in belief on this matter regardless of Law.
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September 28, 2013, 01:29:36 AM

Relax, take a deep breath and chill.

You being right just screwed over tons of people, I'm sure you enjoy it.

Now please stop trolling this thread, some of us are trying to get work done.

It has been suggested, and many agree, that you being WRONG had more to do with it.

Dude honestly. What is wrong with the society today? Atomic and btc back off and you get 10 more that keep talking shit. Just stop talking irrelevant stuff in this thread. If you got nothing nice to say or help dont say anything at all. Your mom should have taught you that a long time ago  Roll Eyes  Grin
sr. member
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September 28, 2013, 01:00:54 AM

Relax, take a deep breath and chill.

You being right just screwed over tons of people, I'm sure you enjoy it.

Now please stop trolling this thread, some of us are trying to get work done.

It has been suggested, and many agree, that you being WRONG had more to do with it.
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September 27, 2013, 10:38:56 PM
Looks like I missed out on a bunch today, meetings galore...

Regarding the PM's,
Bar I have no need nor desire to skype with you, we can converse here, if you have something to say then say it.

Way to mess up the vibe man, we were getting work done before you trolled your way back into here.

Usually only children would deny a gentleman's chat but I'm aware of your age and I am boggled by your insistence on carrying on without trying to resolve.

I'm interested in the extortion claim someone left you in your mining address, what is that all about?

There is only one troll in this thread and that is you and always has been - Grow up - you screwed up and didn't listen to good advice that myself and others gave and now you are all bitter.

What's worse is that you encouraged others to not listen too, in my eyes that makes you either a shill or stupid.

Do everybody a favor eat it and shut up.

Relax, take a deep breath and chill.

You being right just screwed over tons of people, I'm sure you enjoy it.

Now please stop trolling this thread, some of us are trying to get work done.
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September 27, 2013, 09:47:26 PM
Looks like I missed out on a bunch today, meetings galore...

Regarding the PM's,
Bar I have no need nor desire to skype with you, we can converse here, if you have something to say then say it.

Way to mess up the vibe man, we were getting work done before you trolled your way back into here.

Usually only children would deny a gentleman's chat but I'm aware of your age and I am boggled by your insistence on carrying on without trying to resolve.

I'm interested in the extortion claim someone left you in your mining address, what is that all about?

There is only one troll in this thread and that is you and always has been - Grow up - you screwed up and didn't listen to good advice that myself and others gave and now you are all bitter.

What's worse is that you encouraged others to not listen too, in my eyes that makes you either a shill or stupid.

Do everybody a favor eat it and shut up.
gbx
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September 27, 2013, 09:28:30 PM
Gotta love Yifu and avalon,,,lol, in my email:
I guess Terrahash was just a day late and and a dollar short.......

FROM Avalon:

Avalon turns One years old
 
What a roller coaster ride it has been
 
We went from the last to enter the ASIC mining market crowd-funded by the community to the first to shipping a consumer product in little over 4 month. On this journey, many mistakes were made, tons of things were learned and we will continue to grow as one of the groups to keep mining decentralized and support the DIY community. Those are our goals.

 In the up coming week we will doing a clearance sale on the refunded chips as well as some mining units and modules to close generation one and move on to a pre-sale-less generation two of the Avalon Project.

 Stay tuned as many more exciting news will be announced in the coming week.
 
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You are receiving this email because you have expressed interests in the Avalon ASIC Bitcoin Miner

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That's why I think TerraHash has the chips....  They're probably busy getting your miners online to mine themselves out of debt.
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September 27, 2013, 09:21:31 PM
Does anybody has any recourse regarding chips that are being sent to them from a legal perspective?
As far as i see it, I paid for the chips myself, sending it to them does not means it becomes their asset? does it?
So they are basically just stealing my chips? Or does it categorize under their asset when they for bankruptcy/dissolve etc?


This one I'm certain of. The chips are not their property. They are essentially acting as a warehouse agent and are directly responsible to YOU for the safety and disposition of the chips.

If they refuse to return them, this is a criminal matter, unlike the other legal actions being considered. Specifically, it's theft by unlawful taking.

This appears to be the route everyone should focus on in the short term. Hiding from civil matters is one thing, but hiding from criminal matters is a whole different ball game in which the folks we've already named can be questioned on the whereabouts. TH, just update you current information, and save some problems.
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September 27, 2013, 08:41:33 PM
Gotta love Yifu and avalon,,,lol, in my email:
I guess Terrahash was just a day late and and a dollar short.......

FROM Avalon:

Avalon turns One years old
 
What a roller coaster ride it has been
 
We went from the last to enter the ASIC mining market crowd-funded by the community to the first to shipping a consumer product in little over 4 month. On this journey, many mistakes were made, tons of things were learned and we will continue to grow as one of the groups to keep mining decentralized and support the DIY community. Those are our goals.

 In the up coming week we will doing a clearance sale on the refunded chips as well as some mining units and modules to close generation one and move on to a pre-sale-less generation two of the Avalon Project.

 Stay tuned as many more exciting news will be announced in the coming week.
 
Copyright © 2013 BitSyncom LLC, All rights reserved.
You are receiving this email because you have expressed interests in the Avalon ASIC Bitcoin Miner

Our mailing address is:

BitSyncom LLC

187 Wolf Road, Suite 101
Albany, NY12205



legendary
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September 27, 2013, 08:05:12 PM
Does anybody has any recourse regarding chips that are being sent to them from a legal perspective?
As far as i see it, I paid for the chips myself, sending it to them does not means it becomes their asset? does it?
So they are basically just stealing my chips? Or does it categorize under their asset when they for bankruptcy/dissolve etc?


This one I'm certain of. The chips are not their property. They are essentially acting as a warehouse agent and are directly responsible to YOU for the safety and disposition of the chips.

If they refuse to return them, this is a criminal matter, unlike the other legal actions being considered. Specifically, it's theft by unlawful taking.
hero member
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September 27, 2013, 07:48:22 PM
Does anybody has any recourse regarding chips that are being sent to them from a legal perspective?
As far as i see it, I paid for the chips myself, sending it to them does not means it becomes their asset? does it?
So they are basically just stealing my chips? Or does it categorize under their asset when they for bankruptcy/dissolve etc?
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September 27, 2013, 06:38:45 PM
This is old information, so don't rely on it. I haven't lived in Cali for nearly a quarter of a century. But back then, a company would have two stages before being listed as inactive. First, they have to file bankruptcy and have a court date, at which point they were required to notify their stockholders and make a public statement, usually via a newspaper of general circulation such as the LA times, SF Chronicle or Sacramento Bee. That would be found under public announcements or legal announcements in the classified and business sections.

At that point, they were to inform the registry, who would put the declaration in their profile. Bear in mind that at the time the internet was a wet dream, so this was all done on paper at the Sacramento courthouse. Then the registry would be changed to Ceased Operations, Bankruptcy Proceedings initiated.

Only after the bankruptcy judgement is handed down would they be listed as "dissolved". Actually as "Debtor in Possession". Finally, after the bankruptcy was finalized and all debts settled to the satisfaction of the court, they would be listed as no longer a public entity.

The structure is still very similar to that here in Idaho, so I would assume (I know, dangerous) that it probably hasn't changed all that much in Cali.

Thanks, I'm sure your past knowledge is valid today. Government isn't exactly quick to update anything online typically.
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September 27, 2013, 06:36:41 PM
Confirmed that this is our boy:


Portston, Inc. v. Amir Khan, et al Has Decisions
Filed: July 8, 2009 as 3:2009cv03086
Plaintiff: Portston, Inc.
Defendants: Amir Khan and Naytab, Solutions, Inc.

I'm not sure how you know Amir associated with Naytab is the same as the one with Terrahash, but if so, the address you can find him at is the one Bar posted. Plenty of info on that address. 

Again though, I have no way of knowing that is the same person. Ali, the co-owner (spouse?) of that address is another method of finding out.
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September 27, 2013, 06:31:05 PM
Looks like I missed out on a bunch today, meetings galore...

Regarding the PM's,
Bar I have no need nor desire to skype with you, we can converse here, if you have something to say then say it.

Way to mess up the vibe man, we were getting work done before you trolled your way back into here.

Usually only children would deny a gentleman's chat but I'm aware of your age and I am boggled by your insistence on carrying on without trying to resolve.

I'm interested in the extortion claim someone left you in your mining address, what is that all about?

Scottaloo aka pirate@40 put that there when I wouldn't take down a txid that I posted, he said he was going to dox me, I told him to go fly a kite and like a dumbass said pay me!

Wow, everything is clear now. Anyone involved with priate@40 would indeed have a bad taste left in their mouth.
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September 27, 2013, 06:30:37 PM
IANAL but you guys might want to look into this regarding them dissolving the business,

Quote
injunctive relief n. a court-ordered act or prohibition against an act or condition which has been requested, and sometimes granted, in a petition to the court for an injunction. Such an act is the use of judicial (court) authority to handle a problem, and is not a judgment for money. Whether the relief will be granted is usually argued by both sides in a hearing rather than in a full-scale trial, although sometimes it is part of a lawsuit for damages and/or contract performance. Historically, the power to grant injunctive relief stems from English equity courts rather than damages from law courts.
legendary
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September 27, 2013, 06:28:25 PM
I didn't put anything aside. There simply isn't anything more to say about Bargraphics, it's as clear cut as it comes. Also, I simply enjoy tracking down scammers. Does anyone know how long it would take for a business record to be updated in the California company registry? I want to make sure that I understand how quickly they would be shown as no longer active.

This is old information, so don't rely on it. I haven't lived in Cali for nearly a quarter of a century. But back then, a company would have two stages before being listed as inactive. First, they have to file bankruptcy and have a court date, at which point they were required to notify their stockholders and make a public statement, usually via a newspaper of general circulation such as the LA times, SF Chronicle or Sacramento Bee. That would be found under public announcements or legal announcements in the classified and business sections.

At that point, they were to inform the registry, who would put the declaration in their profile. Bear in mind that at the time the internet was a wet dream, so this was all done on paper at the Sacramento courthouse. Then the registry would be changed to Ceased Operations, Bankruptcy Proceedings initiated.

Only after the bankruptcy judgement is handed down would they be listed as "dissolved". Actually as "Debtor in Possession". Finally, after the bankruptcy was finalized and all debts settled to the satisfaction of the court, they would be listed as no longer a public entity.

The structure is still very similar to that here in Idaho, so I would assume (I know, dangerous) that it probably hasn't changed all that much in Cali.
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September 27, 2013, 06:27:00 PM
Looks like I missed out on a bunch today, meetings galore...

Regarding the PM's,
Bar I have no need nor desire to skype with you, we can converse here, if you have something to say then say it.

Way to mess up the vibe man, we were getting work done before you trolled your way back into here.

Usually only children would deny a gentleman's chat but I'm aware of your age and I am boggled by your insistence on carrying on without trying to resolve.

I'm interested in the extortion claim someone left you in your mining address, what is that all about?

Scottaloo aka pirate@40 put that there when I wouldn't take down a txid that I posted, he said he was going to dox me, I told him to go fly a kite and like a dumbass said pay me!
hero member
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Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do.
September 27, 2013, 06:20:38 PM
Looks like I missed out on a bunch today, meetings galore...

Regarding the PM's,
Bar I have no need nor desire to skype with you, we can converse here, if you have something to say then say it.

Way to mess up the vibe man, we were getting work done before you trolled your way back into here.

Usually only children would deny a gentleman's chat but I'm aware of your age and I am boggled by your insistence on carrying on without trying to resolve.

I'm interested in the extortion claim someone left you in your mining address, what is that all about?
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