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sr. member
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
September 23, 2013, 01:22:52 PM
I for one hope it doesn't come down to that but again if by the end of the week we don't hear from Terrahash it will put into motion.

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For all concerned please post the info of your lawyer, so that we may independently vet them ourselves.

I am still in talks with them to see if they want to take the case. All information will be posted if an agreement is made. I have no intention of hiding any of this information.

Just to clarify, regardless of if this particular Lawyer takes the case or not, one will be found as fast I can possibly find one that I feel comfortable with however as I said I'm giving them to the end of this week knowing full well that organization is being made to bring a lawsuit against them.

What experience do you have in vetting lawyers?

Have you ever been in court? If so in what capacity?

Why should customers trust you to find them the best legal counsel, especially considering the gigantic flip flop that you have performed in the last week or so?

How do we know that you are not a TerraHash or Amir or Justin shill account?
hero member
Activity: 630
Merit: 500
September 23, 2013, 01:16:08 PM
I'm trying to keep this so that customers can see it and join in but some trolls seem to want to push it to the next page.

Just so I keep this one straight... Are those that are trying to pursue TH with legal actions and not believing what TH states, trolls, or did we switch somewhere, and the trolls are simply anyone that doesn't like what you've done throughout this thread? And pursuing legal action is no longer troll behavior?

Just a small amount of examples as to my confusion:

Any lawyers buy into this ponzi scheme and are willing to do some pro-bono legal work? PM me if someone starts a lawsuit - I'm in. Until then I will peruse this website to look for advice on pursuing legal action http://lawhelpca.org/.

I'm laughing so hard, can't tell if this is real or just some kid that is upset.



Thank you, but because of this rationality I can't understand how anyone can Speculate on how Terrahash would have operated if the chips were not late.

As a company they are not going to put rush orders on parts if they can't use them yet. They are not going to spend money if it is not needed.

No matter how much the trolls in this thread want this to be Terrahash's fault it simply isn't. It is Avalons.

Sure I'll agree with everyone here on the following.

They should post a video of Optimal Hashing speeds, but that will only silent a few of the trolls on here.

The Reality of the Situation is that Terrahash promised delivery two weeks after the chips arrived based on order queue.

They made assumptions (Just like all the group buys and every that placed an order with Terrahash) that Avalon chips would arrive much sooner than now, but that is what happens when you place a "Bet". Sometimes you lose.

Terrahash made no policy that if Avalon is late then they will refund you your money. Do you think any of the group buys for chips are refunding as well? Customers made a bet on Avalon delivering and they want to blame everyone else besides yourself for that.

It's time to wake up and take responsibility for your purchase. Either mine with it, sell it, or use it as a reminder of why you shouldn't spend more money than you can afford to lose.


So to help me out, so I'm no longer a troll in your eyes, should I not say anything negative about TH, and help the efforts to pursue them legally, even though you stated that we should just buck up and consider this a lost bet?


sr. member
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
September 23, 2013, 01:02:47 PM
I for one hope it doesn't come down to that but again if by the end of the week we don't hear from Terrahash it will put into motion.

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For all concerned please post the info of your lawyer, so that we may independently vet them ourselves.
newbie
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September 23, 2013, 12:58:46 PM
I'm also a damnified from TH, I was with Taran and Amir in person in the Santa Clara office. We paid them and give them our Avalon chips and now it's impossible to locate them.

Who is organizing the legal demand to TH?

Thanks
hero member
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Merit: 500
September 23, 2013, 12:56:26 PM
You seem to be a one man army at this point Atomic. It reeks of desperation.

The community has already spoken, it's time to put down the sword keyboard warrior.


Even in your loss, you try to claim victory. I applaud your resolve, but am saddened by your blindness.
hero member
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September 23, 2013, 12:50:50 PM
As I've stated numerous times, AtomicChaos and the other trolls have no intention on helping any customers and would rather resolve a vendetta than help.

You're right, I would question anything you are involved with as you've shown that you can easily be blinded. After being called out and proven wrong, I do like that you've tried to rally the troops onto your side, to mitigate the crap that you've spouted for the last 3-4 months in support of this very company that you are now trying to help others get their money back from. Others, like myself have been warning about legit issues since day one, while you gave people false hope, and even tried to guilt people into not claiming refunds. Anyone with half a brain sees through you.

You constantly personally attacked those that questioned anything that had any negative comments on TH, and you have little credibility. When you attack others for their opinion, plan to be attacked back. I don't require badges, I do it because I dislike people that mislead.

If you can't handle trolling, maybe you should reconsider your approach with writing messages and insulting others on their opinions. When you run out of fire power, you can play the victim... "Innocent person just trying to help people get back what they lost, and people are attacking for no reason"

I "Cheerlead" for logic, reason, and a firm grasp of reality. All three of which you lack.

I'm still not sure why I feel the need to respond to your outcries, with over 20 people wanting to be involved in this lawsuit it looks like the community spoke for you.

What have you done help out customers besides tell them to get refunds that they couldn't actually get? Actions speak louder than words, again something you will learn as you eventually mature.

Logic is something you clearly speak much of in all of your messages, however, I see little of it. I guess your logic may have been flawed in TH's case? I don't know why you respond to us either, but I'm guessing your ego has something to do with it. Clearly, I am ignored, but yet you somehow keep getting my messages. Please follow through with the 14th time you claimed to have ignored me, and just do it. I don't mind keeping you unignored, I can fight back your cheerleading just fine.

I like the way you had to try and validate your side by saying how many people you have behind you. Someone that has so much wealth as you do, should not be as insecure. I've done my part for the last 3 months, and questioned things that deserved questioning, and waving off your pathetic attacks back when I did so.

legendary
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September 23, 2013, 12:42:27 PM
I've yet to decide if I want to put up a "donation" address for BTC, if I do this it would only be after a successful lawsuit.

I would definitely donate to the "I messed up and was cheerleading for the wrong team" fund. I sure hope you didn't get robbed of all your badges too. I will donate to the "badge fund" as well, if you'd like.

Fortunately, you're just doing this for others, as you already have your refund from your bank transfer, right?


Again, I can't imagine why you can't wrap your head around the concept that when you deal in large sums of money with a bank, they offer protection even on bank transfers (Especially if it is inside the US). There's no risk to me so again you can rest easy!

There's no convincing needed, it really isn't a big deal but you can continue to assume as you usually do.

I only discredit your posts because legitimate concern does not sound like what you write, it sounds like what Silvas writes. Please take notes for the future. Otherwise I think I just earned one more badges and a whole pack of trident layers.

As I've stated numerous times, AtomicChaos and the other trolls have no intention on helping any customers and would rather resolve a vendetta than help.

As far as wire transfers go, you can get a refund if the money is still "Floating" in the bank of who you sent it to. Your bank will call theirs and find out. If it isn't "Floating" and is in the persons account, your bank will call their bank and request for the money to be returned at this point their bank contacts them for an "Approval" to return the funds.

If no such approval is made then you will have to use legal action.


I personally have slightly more recourse with my bank but I would end up getting more money back with legal action plus maybe it will wake Terrahash up.

I "Cheerlead" for logic, reason, and a firm grasp of reality. All three of which you lack.

I'm still not sure why I feel the need to respond to your outcries, with over 20 people wanting to be involved in this lawsuit it looks like the community spoke for you.

What have you done help out customers besides tell them to get refunds that they couldn't actually get? Actions speak louder than words, again something you will learn as you eventually mature.

Us so called Trolls  many had bad experiences with Amir and TH long ago and tried to warn everyone long ago.  I knew when they were missing deadlines and Amir threatening me for using paypal to get money back, something was not right.   I did share my logic on multiple occasions.  Some agreed, some disagreed.  And honestly we need some of each side to keep things straight.  But fact is on this people supported the company far to long for what they did.  Every day you are working on putting together a lawsuit chances are Amir is pulling in salary from your money, and TH is either going to shut down or use your money to hire lawyer.

I hope us trolls helped save a few people from having to sue out of this so called Trolling.  I wish you and others the best in lawsuit Bar and hope you see every penny back.

hero member
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September 23, 2013, 12:20:23 PM
I've yet to decide if I want to put up a "donation" address for BTC, if I do this it would only be after a successful lawsuit.

I would definitely donate to the "I messed up and was cheerleading for the wrong team" fund. I sure hope you didn't get robbed of all your badges too. I will donate to the "badge fund" as well, if you'd like.

Fortunately, you're just doing this for others, as you already have your refund from your bank transfer, right?


Again, I can't imagine why you can't wrap your head around the concept that when you deal in large sums of money with a bank, they offer protection even on bank transfers (Especially if it is inside the US). There's no risk to me so again you can rest easy!

There's no convincing needed, it really isn't a big deal but you can continue to assume as you usually do.

I only discredit your posts because legitimate concern does not sound like what you write, it sounds like what Silvas writes. Please take notes for the future. Otherwise I think I just earned one more badges and a whole pack of trident layers.

 Roll Eyes
hero member
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September 23, 2013, 12:17:12 PM
requested a refund. im giving them 3 days to respond if they don't im going the paypal route. order 552

What part of this thread makes you think you have a chance of being responded to by TH? Don't waste the 3 days, get the process moving.
legendary
Activity: 1974
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Honey badger just does not care
September 23, 2013, 10:42:19 AM
And lastly, being an american I'm having a problem with your "those damn americans" inference. Yeah, I said it. What now?! I'm only joking with you Smiley. Can we move on now?

Of course, I'm far from being anti-american, on the contrary, I'm tied to USA in many ways through closest family. Let's move on an hope everyone will get compensation from TH one way or another.
newbie
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September 23, 2013, 09:50:42 AM
Lets be serious. They seemed pretty damn legit at the beginning

I'm not a TH buyer so I keep my mouth shut in this thread, but have to comment on this. Hardware vendor selling preorders of other people's design regardless of original designer explicitly stating it's too early to sell? It smelled badly right from the start and was obvious to anyone they are not able to finish the design themselves. That was the reason I stayed away from TH, and it's amazing someone with 30 sample Avalon chips haven't sent 16 of them to TH and called their bluff few months ago. The only reason they sold so many preorders was they are USA company, and you have to admit large, large majority of people who got scammed are from USA. I don't have nothing against someone being his-own-country centric, but sometimes it comes to bite you in the a**. Anyone who claims TH were not extremely fishy right from the start is not telling the truth either to him self or to the others.

TH wasn't any fisher than any other unproven asic hw vendor. You must have forgotten the 4 or 5 other non us based developers working with the klondike who also sold pre-orders. [bold]The difference here is that the others appear to be still active.[/bold]

And how many of those 4 or 5 other non us based Klondike developers scammed thousands of people? Exactly. Zero. Everybody knew they could not deliver on their own. But TH was a USA company so it has to be good, hasn't it?

You asserted that you knew they were not legit from the beginning and that they couldn't deliver on their own and I think that's just not true. They were working with BkkCoins and made many posts in the klondike dev thread so they knew they would need help.

The fact is that they aren't the only klondike developer who sold a bunch of pre-orders and hasn't delivered a product. There are a bunch of people who don't have a product or their money back from both the USA 'company' and non-us based klondike developers. The other developers haven't faded off into the darkness like TH (which is what I said before) so kudos to them.

Not trying to be mean but being captain hindsight doesn't help anyone. It's just self gratification. The right thing to do would have been to try to warn people like btceic and the others. Even though I'm not cool with some of the things that were said by those folks, they did try to warn us and that deserves a compliment.

And lastly, being an american I'm having a problem with your "those damn americans" inference. Yeah, I said it. What now?! I'm only joking with you Smiley. Can we move on now?
hero member
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September 23, 2013, 09:28:05 AM
Terrahash broke the Paypal terms of sale, so the same method that many others have used to get a BFL refund via Paypal should also work against Terrahash.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1mju6g/i_got_6000_refund_from_bfl_in_just_8_hours_from/

http://bflrefund.me

Basically, Terrahash is committing fraud and Paypal has to take that seriously...
full member
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September 23, 2013, 08:46:26 AM
requested a refund. im giving them 3 days to respond if they don't im going the paypal route. order 552

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legendary
Activity: 1974
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Honey badger just does not care
September 23, 2013, 08:26:00 AM
Lets be serious. They seemed pretty damn legit at the beginning!

I'm not a TH buyer so I keep my mouth shut in this thread, but have to comment on this. Hardware vendor selling preorders of other people's design regardless of original designer explicitly stating it's too early to sell? It smelled badly right from the start and was obvious to anyone they are not able to finish the design themselves. That was the reason I stayed away from TH, and it's amazing someone with 30 sample Avalon chips haven't sent 16 of them to TH and called their bluff few months ago. The only reason they sold so many preorders was they are USA company, and you have to admit large, large majority of people who got scammed are from USA. I don't have nothing against someone being his-own-country centric, but sometimes it comes to bite you in the a**. Anyone who claims TH were not extremely fishy right from the start is not telling the truth either to him self or to the others.

TH wasn't any fisher than any other unproven asic hw vendor. You must have forgotten the 4 or 5 other non us based developers working with the klondike who also sold pre-orders. The difference here is that the others appear to be still active.

And how many of those 4 or 5 other non us based Klondike developers scammed thousands of people? Exactly. Zero. Everybody knew they could not deliver on their own. But TH was a USA company so it has to be good, hasn't it?
newbie
Activity: 27
Merit: 0
September 23, 2013, 06:07:13 AM
Lets be serious. They seemed pretty damn legit at the beginning!

I'm not a TH buyer so I keep my mouth shut in this thread, but have to comment on this. Hardware vendor selling preorders of other people's design regardless of original designer explicitly stating it's too early to sell? It smelled badly right from the start and was obvious to anyone they are not able to finish the design themselves. That was the reason I stayed away from TH, and it's amazing someone with 30 sample Avalon chips haven't sent 16 of them to TH and called their bluff few months ago. The only reason they sold so many preorders was they are USA company, and you have to admit large, large majority of people who got scammed are from USA. I don't have nothing against someone being his-own-country centric, but sometimes it comes to bite you in the a**. Anyone who claims TH were not extremely fishy right from the start is not telling the truth either to him self or to the others.

TH wasn't any fisher than any other unproven asic hw vendor. You must have forgotten the 4 or 5 other non us based developers working with the klondike who also sold pre-orders. The difference here is that the others appear to be still active.
sr. member
Activity: 392
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♫ A wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw ♫
September 23, 2013, 06:02:24 AM
So Bar,
What is your commission per user for your TerraHash lawsuit?
legendary
Activity: 1974
Merit: 1077
Honey badger just does not care
September 23, 2013, 02:46:24 AM
Lets be serious. They seemed pretty damn legit at the beginning!

I'm not a TH buyer so I keep my mouth shut in this thread, but have to comment on this. Hardware vendor selling preorders of other people's design regardless of original designer explicitly stating it's too early to sell? It smelled badly right from the start and was obvious to anyone they are not able to finish the design themselves. That was the reason I stayed away from TH, and it's amazing someone with 30 sample Avalon chips haven't sent 16 of them to TH and called their bluff few months ago. The only reason they sold so many preorders was they are USA company, and you have to admit large, large majority of people who got scammed are from USA. I don't have nothing against someone being his-own-country centric, but sometimes it comes to bite you in the a**. Anyone who claims TH were not extremely fishy right from the start is not telling the truth either to him self or to the others.
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September 22, 2013, 11:47:08 PM
A sad last ditch effort..... lol, good luck finding some other suckers..... especially with 10G/H Blades for 4.2 BTC on BTC guild now...lol I can't believe you guys are still trying sluff these off to someone else....where is your ethics....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TerraHash-ASIC-Miner-Bitcoin-18GHash-s-Miner-Batch-one-/121178932505?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c36d3c519

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TerraHash-ASIC-Bitcoin-18GHash-s-Miner-Batch-one-pre-order-Avalon-Chips-/111143531762?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19e0abb4f2

Hey maybe this guy that goes by the name of Amir will buy them from you?

The only good news there is chances are who ever is trying to be played will be able to get money back.  To who ever listed on ebay.... sorry to tell you but paypal will take the money back after you can't deliver. 

I don't think anyone would even buy a order at a huge discount at this point.  Just has gone to far. If you are able to sell a TH order for even 25 percent of what you paid on here i would be shocked.

Their is one born every day that will buy them.  I saw an in hand  5 GHZ BFL go for thousands. Some just want to have one and don't have a clue. If Bitcoin goes up enough it just might make them accidentally rich.

If it's not in hand it is a much harder sell. If you're one of the first in line, your pre order is worth more on ebay.

Except with TH your order is worth $0 because majority of people know you will never get them Wink


With TH you're the first loser foolish enough to board the train wreck.  Cheesy Cheesy

Not necessarily. Lets be serious. They seemed pretty damn legit at the beginning!
sr. member
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September 22, 2013, 11:32:22 PM
A sad last ditch effort..... lol, good luck finding some other suckers..... especially with 10G/H Blades for 4.2 BTC on BTC guild now...lol I can't believe you guys are still trying sluff these off to someone else....where is your ethics....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TerraHash-ASIC-Miner-Bitcoin-18GHash-s-Miner-Batch-one-/121178932505?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c36d3c519

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TerraHash-ASIC-Bitcoin-18GHash-s-Miner-Batch-one-pre-order-Avalon-Chips-/111143531762?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19e0abb4f2

Hey maybe this guy that goes by the name of Amir will buy them from you?

The only good news there is chances are who ever is trying to be played will be able to get money back.  To who ever listed on ebay.... sorry to tell you but paypal will take the money back after you can't deliver. 

I don't think anyone would even buy a order at a huge discount at this point.  Just has gone to far. If you are able to sell a TH order for even 25 percent of what you paid on here i would be shocked.

Their is one born every day that will buy them.  I saw an in hand  5 GHZ BFL go for thousands. Some just want to have one and don't have a clue. If Bitcoin goes up enough it just might make them accidentally rich.

If it's not in hand it is a much harder sell. If you're one of the first in line, your pre order is worth more on ebay.

Except with TH your order is worth $0 because majority of people know you will never get them Wink


With TH you're the first loser foolish enough to board the train wreck.  Cheesy Cheesy
full member
Activity: 123
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September 22, 2013, 10:47:04 PM
A sad last ditch effort..... lol, good luck finding some other suckers..... especially with 10G/H Blades for 4.2 BTC on BTC guild now...lol I can't believe you guys are still trying sluff these off to someone else....where is your ethics....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TerraHash-ASIC-Miner-Bitcoin-18GHash-s-Miner-Batch-one-/121178932505?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c36d3c519

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TerraHash-ASIC-Bitcoin-18GHash-s-Miner-Batch-one-pre-order-Avalon-Chips-/111143531762?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19e0abb4f2

Hey maybe this guy that goes by the name of Amir will buy them from you?

The only good news there is chances are who ever is trying to be played will be able to get money back.  To who ever listed on ebay.... sorry to tell you but paypal will take the money back after you can't deliver. 

I don't think anyone would even buy a order at a huge discount at this point.  Just has gone to far. If you are able to sell a TH order for even 25 percent of what you paid on here i would be shocked.

Their is one born every day that will buy them.  I saw an in hand  5 GHZ BFL go for thousands. Some just want to have one and don't have a clue. If Bitcoin goes up enough it just might make them accidentally rich.

If it's not in hand it is a much harder sell. If you're one of the first in line, your pre order is worth more on ebay.

Except with TH your order is worth $0 because majority of people know you will never get them Wink
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