Topic: Official Avalon mining rig clones thread from bitmine.ch (NOW SHIPPING) - page 25. (Read 58539 times)

or worse, to a bunch of altcoins

however i do think that it will be like the beginning of gpu mining. asic hardware will become less expensive in a few years (like a high end gpu now) and wannabe-miners will have to invest to be part of this to earn 50 mBTC a day. the ones having asics this year will be the new "early adopter" generation as seen from 3 years from now or so.  Repeat every two or three years with a new generation of mining technology (or coin).

thanks for the clear answer giorgiomassa, you might want to add that info to the site.

Switzerland is often used by Chinese businesses to sneak goods into the EU without paying import duty.  

$6,489 is too risky an investment for me though, I'll stick with $299 graphics cards.

I really hope someone starts building and shipping small cheap ASICs soon or we're gonna lose the network to LiteCoin.  

It's easy, since you have an EU VAT number, we will make you an invoice without swiss VAT (the price stated on the website), you will pay Belgian VAT at the import (paid to DHL, usually) and then you recover the paid VAT from your government as you would do when buying from any other EU supplier.

sounds reasonable, i just interpreted as you guys were some kind of spinoff of a company that owned the production facitliy.

anyways, if I were to buy one with a belgian company with a vat number, how would that work?  Don't have experience with Switzerland in terms of customs and VAT as its not part of the EU but it is of the Schengen countries. 

As you said, this is your calculations. Other users are doing other calculations, not everybody is right, these are all speculations. If you were going to make a calculation one year ago when BTC was about $4, would you have taken into consideration that the value would skyrocket to $240 one year later? I don't think so, otherwise you're a wizard!



No problems, you'll soon see new pictures with our staff working and with the facility with me holding a nice "Hello bitcointalk world" in my hands  Keep an eye at the updates



We are also very angry BFL users, we're waiting since July 2012 for our units to be shipped and reading through all the pathetic delay explanations of Josh we just thought that you can't fool your customers this way, our planning is very accurate and we've been doing similar works already in the past so it's not new stuff for us like it looks it has been for BFL.



Of course the facility is not ours but from a company we've made a partnership with and that we've been working from several years now, making your own production facility is a non sense as it would require millions of investments in equipment and staff. The production is in Italy near Milan in order to keep labour costs low. The exact address can't be told because we have a non disclosure agreement with them. We are however located in Switzerland where we have the offices (hey, that's something most of our competitors DON'T even have!) and we will soon invite some qualified users to come visit us and a couple of them will also come with us to visit the production facility. We can't invite everybody because it's a high security location that produces military parts and visits are really restricted and require prior authorisations.

is the price tax included (and whats the rate in switserland)?

can you post the adres of the facility, not the office?  And some way to verify its yours?

i'd definitely get one, however to avoid another BFL like scenario i'd do go for it only if the unit hashes and you guys are ready to do escrow with John... you can look up bitfountain for yourselves: almost zero sales hype but 100% action...

I dont need pics of c0ompleted units but maybe of the actual parts you have already. Hell a pic of yall at yalls facility with the parts and a sign saying something like your forum name or something would be good enough to know it is really you and not just a photo you found online.

sorry to be an ass, but one Order you can cancel,
we have now a Difficulty increase of +1 per Day,
Today we are at 11 Mill,
Tomorow will be 12,
this add's up to at least 71 Million on  August 1,  at 91 there is no more Profit and no more ROI in Avalon
end of August we are at 121 Million, and that's just my naiv Calculation even when all Gpu Fpga's would leave the Network
we are already awating the next gen Miners, so maybe a Diff over 200 Mill is possible this would screw most uf us badly.

but i would maybe pay up to 1800 USD for a 22Gh/s Device in August if you could sell it for 1600 USD it would be a Bonus.

Hi, pics of the complete product are not available simply because we are still waiting the Avalon chips,
in the meantime we are producing the control unit and the pdu.
the case and the sink are currently under cad drawing.

our idea is give many updates about our production, so please register on the newsletter, we will post everything with pics in the news section



Hi, yes we already have a couples of preorder, you can see the stock live on the website,
yes you can see our office on google maps (check the address in the about us page) but the facility is 1h car drive from our office.



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Hi, yes you are partially right! take in consideration we alredy made a big investment for buying the chips ( around 100'000$) and starting the production of all the components is not so cheap with these small quantity. our R&D is studying the best way to overclock the unit, using a watercooling system... but we will post some about this news next week on the website...



the PSU we select is 750W http://www.super-flower.de/index.php?id=97
from Avalon wiki they suggest:

this should be enough, in any case you can pre-order without PSU

From the Avalon batch 3 ordering page: "power consumption: ~ 600w @ 120v AC"
But that's for a three module miner. Not sure what a four module miner pulls.


EDIT:

I would be happy to take receipt of one of these clones and pay for it after receiving it and documenting the unboxing and setup process for everyone here.

OMG guys only ships in August we swear! And a whole 85GH for the same price that companies will release 350gh/sec such a great deal pre ordered 20!

You're doing pretty good to get 85+GH/s out of a 700W PSU.

Let first try to clone this in the title.

"available for preoder"

Has anyone preordered?
Whats the guess on delivery August?
How many are sold allready?
Are you on google maps so I can see the facility?

Honestly id buy right now if we at least had some pics and stuff to prove it is legit.

You need to wonder why all those ASIC promises go through pre-order R&D funding.

I'd be happy to help 

nice try for make a free vacation to Switzerland
I'm kidding, in any case we are open to any visits, I see you live in germany, maybe is not so far from here.

We have also in plan to send 1 or 2 (not more because the first batch is only 30 elements) avalon clone to some big/trusted/hero reviewers,
we are also open to organize some skype/webcam meeting where we show our faces () and the whole project

Why dont you offer me or some other hero member a free flight plus trip and hotel to your office.

So we could check it and vouch for you