Topic: Official BITMINE CoinCraft series 28nm ASIC miners thread - page 150. (Read 565252 times)

Thanks for those details.  It helps me plan a camping trip so that I can be comfortable miners won't arrive when I'm away.

Exactly. In such situations it becomes clear if a person has real concern or sympathy for the people who depend on him.

If I knew that I let people wait, I couldn't sleep at night. I would be so pressed to explain myself, so to win a little time.

But to just be silent is like I would have no character, or have no empathy whatsoever.

I'd rather have the people think that I am overwhelmed by the situation and unable to cope with it,
instead of having them think that I am a careless smug, who abuses their dependency for his own purposes...
because then you can't pretend anymore that you are looking for a WIN-WIN situation.

So how come new problems with suppliers and assemblies are not immediately communicated???

Active so late in the night (early in the morning)?

GOOD. Finally his conscience keeps him from sleeping.

Hi there giorgiomassa, can we please have a update on whats going on.

There is http://www.bitcoinultra.co.uk/index.html which seems is going to ship 1 or 2 TH units and a new chinese builder with 1 THs units which seem to be ready to be sold.

Now, if either of them is able to sell in quantity, I believe that 18 months is pure optimism.

spiccioli

Any court would reject your statement, since...

Speculation you do regarding possible loss of opporunity to make money on BTC mining will in no court be used as logical, and only reinbursement  you could get is not 10% - for few weeks, months, but 2-3% a year, since that would your money give you if you put it on a savings account in a bank, so stop bragging about it.

10% for 60 days is a very generous offer.

All of you, who don't want to wait and want your money back, I'm willing to repay you for your place in the queue, and would like to be in your shooes, but I'm not. But I know this is not possible due to Bitmine company policy...if it would I would buy-out all your contracts and wait ...

...since to my calculations this equipment according to current electricity prices can be operational and do what it's intended, for at least 18 months if delivered e.g. in March 2014.

Assumptions of course, given without Turbo, which is curently not reachable goal under present conditions.

No. There's a clear difference. The guy is already at the meeting, unlike the CoinCrafts. Would it really be the same if the guy called to say he's running late, or that he just let's everyone at the meeting wait for him not knowing where he is or when he's coming?

It seems to have some kind of problem to the hash agreed... seems they are not very stable yet.Sefir, is the only thing we can do to speculate with that type of problem may be happening...What is clear is that there are and it is not fair that investors do not know what happens with their money.We all know what past with other companies and you had to look at more for us, Normal that we should move it wrong let us abandoned and only give false hope...

Exactly, also whoever still has hope to make his money back, must turn into an extreme speculator.

They only way we could make our money back, is to hope that BTC will rise atleast to 2000 $, preferably more.

It's a complete desaster.

I will feel like a debt slave while I run the miners (should I ever recieve them). All profit will go back to fill a black hole, nothing else.

hashfast, cointerra are shipping. bitmine? nep.

dont know if the guys from bitmine recognized that its much more lucrative to cancel the order, taking the money + 10% and changing in bitcoins instead of mining one year long and getting approximatly with conservative calculations not even the 100 % back.

leave your money at bitmine otherwise, no one will see any dollar back or can mine bitcoins!

ye all the goodness of having 1TH is gone now. prefer a refund as the excitement of making some profit is also gone.
Its not looking good at all, even BFL has delivered the produce roi , may have been extremely late , but most returned there ROI.
This is just a complete disaster and some respected names have lost there respect from me .

@zefir
Did you see any gains from devices that be appear in next month?

Hashing power and oferred addional power is does not metter if Bitmine will send this devices after month from now.

It's not about you, it's about bitmine. I'd rather direct my anger at the head of bitmine, and not you or antonio.

It's strange enough that I have to talk to you, because no one at bitmine sees the need to explain himself and the delays.

Let's keep it at that, and your good faith and good intentions with all due respect.

Listen georgem, this is the second time you are turning the meaning of my words into a negative direction. I told and repeat herein: I understand your anger and it is of course justified. But I also see that no matter what I posted so far you picked something from isolated context and turned to sound negative or disrespectful - which by far is exactly the opposite of what it is intended. I would like to remain motivated to communicate here, but if whatever I say worsens the atmosphere, I better stop.

If I write 'who cares' I mean: 'it makes zero difference' - and that is pretty obvious from the context. In essence, if you come late to an appointment, the guy who you kept waiting does not care why you are late - he will note that you were late. Starting to explain why you are won't change anything for the good - you might end up like someone looking for excuses. Same goes here: what difference does it make whether it was the PCB manufacturer or the parcel service? You have a contract with Bitmine and they take the blame. The CPP / refund agreement given in the ToS is exactly meant to quantify the blame.

That is where my 'who cares' came from - I am not hostile or disrespectful to you in any way. Instead please try for a moment to assume that sometimes people act in good faith and with good intentions.

Antonio (Bitmine AG) wrote to us.


Zefir wrote that they don't have software for rigs. Antonio wrote that they don't have one working rig.
From January they wrote only the same:
"In next week we start production, next week we start shipping"

Lets see:

So first rig can't be made sooner then 2 weeks.
Additional 10% power will not return the investment!

I asked for a refund I will w8 for response.

delay, delay and delay

uuuhh, I guess it should be : Most countries in Europe don't work on friday afternoon.... in the Netherlands we all work monday to friday 8:00/9:00 till 17:00/18:00h and no siesta in the afternoon 


If a company has trouble delivering their product on time to their customers... why use one company for PCB manufacturing?? If I was production manager I would spread my risk and contract 2 or 3 PCB manufacturers to make the PCBs.....

First, Thank you for your report.

Second, even simple service providers like public transport will immediately INFORM the passenger why there is a delay. Even for a 5 min delay.
Those are passengers who pay only a few euros for a ticket and STILL the firm finds it extremely important to IMMEDIATELY inform them about the REASON why there is a delay.

Why bitmine doesn't find it necessary to make this news, I don't understand.

Something like
"Delay for a few days, because of german PCB manufacturer. Because of that italian firm can't do its job. Estimated delay 1 week"


Listen zefir, you really have to stop saying things like "who cares, it won't change anything"...

They let us wait in the rainy dark without umbrella, and they DON'T EXPLAIN WHY!!!

We can wait, if there is a justified reason.
We CAN'T wait without reason.

It's really about making the customers look stupid or not.
Any reasonable business does NOT want to make the customers feel stupid.

That's what this is all about.

"Who cares" is not an answer, it's an offense.

That.
Thank you zefir

Thanks zefir.



When a company entrusted with customers' funds doesn't walk the talk, customers rightfully tend to get anxious and want to know why.



Please do.