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Good luck to you dude...As long you accepted 31st of march delivery and you are fine with that and the price also the only thing left for them to be on time

A company like this needs more than just one brain.

I'm just hoping they are renting out the other brains from their vendors. That would just leave amt with putting all in the pretty box. They are most certainly middlemen. I mean that was obvious from bitfury chips with the technobit boards. I don't expect more of that from them. They are quite obviously assemblers and not makers. I just expect them to assemble them quickly enough that I get mine by march 31st.

All the intellectual work is being done elsewhere, and I'm fine with that. I'm hoping that since they have the chips everything is in place when my miner comes due. Though that is cautious optimism with paleful of skepticism.

Rik.
I do not mean to offend anybody but "the half brain" as you call it is enough to collect money. It turns out that one need "full brain" to make a real miner. In the past i said that BFL is just a money collector and proxy "between so called engineers" and their customers. I start to believe that AMT are same. A lot more is needed to ship 1.2T miner at the end. Being a good manager/lair means nothing - or just the "half brain thing"
PS: On a second thought Sony knows his shit and i have not heard of any court case won against bfl so i can tell they are "full brain company"
However only time will tell if AMT will evolve to FULL BRAIN also

I can only hunt down the things that exist.

They've shown themselves to be lacking in common sense. I'm assuming there is someone running the ship with at least a half a brain or they would have never sparked the idea. Or they would have had the idea to take peoples money and not even bother ordering product.

So far as I can tell they mostly seem in way over their heads, and are scrambling.

I mean at this point they have had chips for about 24 days, and possibly a prototyped board for about 6. I'm wondering if they'd just ignore me if I bothered to bring all the information to light in an e-mail.

I'm assuming they make a habit of checking up on this thread.

I'm hoping they had one of their vendors design and tested the board as that would strike me as more reliable than what they've currently shown.

Oh, hell no. I'm a good gambler. I don't have 10btc to lose, and if I did I'd rather play poker! I didn't say he COULD do it, I just said he's the only one that might be able to.

Oh, Duct tape. It'll pull the residue off.

And when it melts on top of your PCB what do you need?
Any way i am not arguing with you. I am only saying that JIM and co do not have a clue what they are doing that is all. They are completely out of space. I offered a bet some time ago and no one took it. Now i am offering you and all interested parties 10BTC bet that the are going to use some other company PCB design?
Are you taking it?
I guess NO

I hope not. Frankly I'd like to wash my hands of this whole debacle, but I'd also like to see everyone made whole.

As for the duct tape...

I'm a redneck intellectual. Don't be disrespecting duct tape! There are three essential items in every tool box. Duct tape, WD-40, and JB weld.

If it moves and it shouldn't, use duct tape.
If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40.
If it moves, shouldn't, and needs to be solid, use JBWeld!


...don't shoot, I think we all need a little humour at this juncture.

Jim You are joking right?
Any way i am not arguing with you. He is a bright guy for sure the brightest one using duck tape (my post was edited before your quote)

I was out of the electronics loop for a long time. 20 odd years ago I could work miracles with a soldering iron. But I don't know jack about SMT and the like, so I can't judge. But Jim at AMT seems to be the right guy for that sort of thing. This isn't a defense of their business practices, just an observation. He's a bright guy, but I haven't the modern knowledge to know HOW bright. If they really are designing their own, He is who I would think is doing it.

Dude,
Hunt down their brain capacity first. This is the only thing that matters. You can not measure it by GPS, pics, vendors  and shit. You are the one to judge.
Just my 2 cents
Let me tell you that i have 20 Technobit bitfury boards working from they one nonstop without a glitch. which means that their vendor is a class with reliable product. Just a small amount of MELTED duct tape (BRAINLESS ACTION) makes a difference between rock stable product and a shit in your hands. I am wandering what other shit will they do if they reach screw driver point at all

I'm aware that it's not a box, PCBs, chips all mashed together with duct tape.

I'm attempting to hunt down their vendors in order to see if they are even attempting to make production happen.

Now I don't know if they are also assembling them "in house" or if they are getting a more capable entity to do that for them. That's what I'm wondering.

It does them squat to have components and not ship, as that is a big investment of their money. At least considering that by the time I ordered they had chips in hand based on the GPS evidence.

I'm just waiting to see what comes of it all. If I get a product in the time frame I  ordered it for great but I have 1 month plus a few days in that time frame. I'll be keeping an eye here to see if anyone receives tracking numbers before I head in and check it out my self.

If I can get a bead in on any other vendors they might be using for production I'll be making similar calls.

Rik,

A lot more is needed to make 1.2T miner. A few PCB manufactures around is not enough. Let me remind you that in AMT famous history of their top engineering team was to assemble Technobit bitfury boards in a box That sounds easy right? Every forum member here will do it better then them without being an engineer at all

In order to make 1.2 Miners you need
1. Full PCB schematics + gerbers + BOM + working FW for both PCB CPU (if needed/present) and host - tplink, PC,  Pi or whatever
2. Deep knowledge how electronics works + a lot soldering experience and some brain in your head in a first place. You do not need to be an engineer for that . I can tell you that almost every populated PCB board needs personal attention/touch to bring it to life. A soft touch from someone who knows what to look for, who can see bad contacts and so on and on. And for sure AMT do not have such a person around
In present i think that AMT do have some sort of design which is not theirs for sure. Is it working? No one knows except them. Let us say that design they have works. If they do it in US style just to order fully populated PCB it will be big disaster   for sure because of the above reasons
The only thing left for them is to lie and "buy" more and more time from you customers, while begging their design supplier to populate and send them tested and working boards. Because the only thing that they can do as far as we know from their famous company history is to put them in a box
But every other company capable to do such thing will:
1. Ask for money The amount will be bigger compared to MOST expensive PCB factory offer, just because additional human touch is needed as explained above. In short lack of brain costs a lot. And when you are in a hurry it costs twice more at least
2. Service their own production in first place and do retail business more profitable or just to mine with their own (NOT AMT)  PCB's + chips again more profitable.

So i guess they have a lot of chips collecting dust and losing 20% of their value every 10 days just because their top engineering team can hold a screw driver only

I'm hopeful of getting my miner by the march 31 date that was advertised. I'm not one who is wishy-washy once I've done something I'll see it through. If I see that I'm not going to get my miner shipped I will not hesitate to hop on a plane and get it my self. I've found at least one of tier PCB suppliers or at least where they prototyped a board.

I did call IMET today and spoke with a guy, I think his name was damon. I obviously chose this place as this is where the Geotaged data lead me. He said he's going to pass my message along, but can't guarantee a response back. I figured as much since they would have a contract. He asked my name and who I was from. I explained there are a group of customers who were trying to check the legitimacy of their business, and referenced this forum. I did call kind of late about 7pm their time but someone was manning the phones there at least. I figure if I don't hear back maybe AMT will hear it and know people aren't just resting on their laurels. IMET appears to be a reputable company, you can find them on Facebook as well with actual posts in the last week. Hopefully they designed the PCB as they seem to have a team of engineers, and AMT doesn't seem to be capable of that. 

I also found a list of PCB companies that service eastern PA, AMT stated that their manufacturers are in the tri-state area so that's where I'll limit my search and start making more calls tomorrow, maybe Thursday as I have a few VA appointments tomorrow. All I know is I have PTSD and I don't like to be fucked with, and if these don't ship it's the financial equivalent of trying to bend me over. Ha I'd love to show up en mass demanding the miners.

I'd honestly be happy if they shipped me the components disassembled, I'd probably have it up and working faster.

Hopefully we'll get some video of their operation here soon.

Mr. Merry I was thinking about doing something similar here in phoenix where I would help people get their wallets set up, and sell bitcoin locally out of a storefront. And use the back of the area to house my miners.
I would just have to look into laws here in Arizona, but I'd love to see something like that as a franchised business. Feel free to message me perhaps we could bounce ideas off of each other.   

Yes, I find a lot smart technical people are getting hooked on the idea of fast money through mining: this is where the scams come in to take advantage of people that have those $'s in their eyes.

onto AMT...

The 'over support' and 'over optimism' exhibited by certain users here for AMT have been completely unwarranted. I think this is just a defense mechanism when you've spent a lot of money and want it to work out in the end. We need to put these so-called "startup companies" under heavy scrutiny at first as there is a lot of money on the line if they go solvent as a company.

Even if AMT has the best intentions in mind, if they fail as company (defective hardware/fire/failied design/bankruptcy) everyone is screwed. This is why a company need to sell you on "THEM AS A COMPANY" beforehand. This whole process is skipped in the bitcoin mining industry because it's all about getting the latest and greatest hardware as soon as possible. This limited time frame makes a lot of people overlook the details about these 'companies' and put the money up front quickly.

At this point, even if they get these trickling out late: the disappearing ROI due to delays in shipping and the overall customer experience will make it hard to leave AMT a positive review.

I was new to bitcoin mining at the time of my purchase, and the price was near it's all time high.    I had to get something mining now, as it appeared to be money just sitting there waiting to be had.  lol.  sucker!!   

I didn't do enough research and made a hasty purchase.  With the price of BTC at the time, i figured i would get my money back fairly quick.  I had no clue as to how fast the mining difficulty rises, or that i would have to wait an extra month for my rig to get delivered.  a fool and his money.....

Do your research before spending any money, even if it takes a week or two to read all the forums.  I can't stress that enough.

  Since the time of my purchase, I've found that the bitcoin mining community is very small, and for the most part very helpful and mostly honest.  I'm obviously not including the scammers in that statement.  Point is, if you have a question on a rig or whatever, ask.  You'll get plenty of answers that will most likely save you a ton of cash.  Use the forums and various IRC channels to your benefit, BEFORE you buy.

I don't blame you at all Biomech.  Hell, i'd take a free miner too if it was offered.  Blame is squarely on AMT.

I have no bias or hard feelings towards AMT, and would love nothing better, than to give them a rave review.  But, that isn't how it went down.  I feel a bit bad about the less than favorable review, since Jim seems like such a nice guy, but his business practices pretty much suck and his product isn't spectacular.  It's an overpriced rig that shipped a month late, and had issues when it finally did get here.  At one point, I was wondering if i would ever see it, but then found something about Technobit's chip shortage.  AMT could have put mine, and a lot of other customer's minds at ease, with a simple email telling us about the delay in the chip's being shipped from the manufacturer.

Hopefully all you guys with pending/overdue orders get your stuff in a reasonable amount of time.  I feel for you.

That's terrible and I'm sorry that's how things turned out for you. I have a feeling there will be a lot more people feeling the same way soon.

This thread needs to be mandatory reading for people getting into pre orders for miners.

I here you. Was never my intent to screw anybody over. Might try Ebay' there seems to be a premium on miners there. Mine until ya sell it, then buy an Ant.