Topic: Official Thread: AMT - page 79. (Read 678353 times)
A little advice for anyone considering a business like this. The preorder model has been demonstrated over and over again to be faulty, if not outright scammy. A company may not have the intention of taking money from people, causing financial harm to them, and indefinitely delaying the orders, but in the end they all seem to end up that way.
A proper business model, and I've said it over and over again, would be to secure financing, build a good product, start producing them then sell from inventory as you build them.
You can't make promises to people based on quotes from suppliers, because you will end up turning those promises to lies. People won't be mad at your suppliers or contractors, just you. Getting angry at customers who are tired of excuse after excuse is a horrible way to do business. At some point, the hole you dug yourself is just too deep, you blew through the funds needed to continue building products, and you just close up shop and screw everyone over. This has happened many times, not just in bitcoin hardware.
AMT could pull out of this, even though in my opinion they will never be able to fill all the outstanding orders. To do it, they need to be upfront and honest with shipping times, stop making up dates that they can't keep, and stop acting like a victim and threatening people. Act humble, do your job, work as hard as you can and be honest with your customers. You'll be surprised how people turn from detractors to proponents.
A proper business model, and I've said it over and over again, would be to secure financing, build a good product, start producing them then sell from inventory as you build them.
You can't make promises to people based on quotes from suppliers, because you will end up turning those promises to lies. People won't be mad at your suppliers or contractors, just you. Getting angry at customers who are tired of excuse after excuse is a horrible way to do business. At some point, the hole you dug yourself is just too deep, you blew through the funds needed to continue building products, and you just close up shop and screw everyone over. This has happened many times, not just in bitcoin hardware.
AMT could pull out of this, even though in my opinion they will never be able to fill all the outstanding orders. To do it, they need to be upfront and honest with shipping times, stop making up dates that they can't keep, and stop acting like a victim and threatening people. Act humble, do your job, work as hard as you can and be honest with your customers. You'll be surprised how people turn from detractors to proponents.
People keep saying this, but the repercussions never come, and people continue to give people money for preorders.
this isn't going to stop until it stops working, for it to stop working, people need to stop buying preorders.
where da fuk is my motha fuckin miner ! Ship that fucking shit already peace of shit did you ask if he had some sort or std in his ass hoe this is why there was a delay ? I think it was that advance form of gonorrhea mixed with herpes
NOw it wont ROi
NOw it wont ROi
That's how to do it. plp, you need to file complaints with federal and state consumer protection agencies. It's really easy. Then you need to sue them in small claims court in your own jurisdiction, as that is where you placed the order.
Any particular reason? I've been a customer of pbmining longer than stan. I know cuz he's through my link
They've been responsive, delivered on their word, and work like a charm. Unlike a lot of other people I can name. Curious about PBMining myself but I refuse to sign up just so I can see what the price is.
You don't have to sign up you can see the pricing here: http://pbmining.com/contractbuyinfo.html?&ref=
where da fuk is my motha fuckin miner ! Ship that fucking shit already peace of shit did you ask if he had some sort or std in his ass hoe this is why there was a delay ? I think it was that advance form of gonorrhea mixed with herpes
NOw it wont ROi
NOw it wont ROi
A little advice for anyone considering a business like this. The preorder model has been demonstrated over and over again to be faulty, if not outright scammy. A company may not have the intention of taking money from people, causing financial harm to them, and indefinitely delaying the orders, but in the end they all seem to end up that way.
A proper business model, and I've said it over and over again, would be to secure financing, build a good product, start producing them then sell from inventory as you build them.
You can't make promises to people based on quotes from suppliers, because you will end up turning those promises to lies. People won't be mad at your suppliers or contractors, just you. Getting angry at customers who are tired of excuse after excuse is a horrible way to do business. At some point, the hole you dug yourself is just too deep, you blew through the funds needed to continue building products, and you just close up shop and screw everyone over. This has happened many times, not just in bitcoin hardware.
AMT could pull out of this, even though in my opinion they will never be able to fill all the outstanding orders. To do it, they need to be upfront and honest with shipping times, stop making up dates that they can't keep, and stop acting like a victim and threatening people. Act humble, do your job, work as hard as you can and be honest with your customers. You'll be surprised how people turn from detractors to proponents.
+10000A proper business model, and I've said it over and over again, would be to secure financing, build a good product, start producing them then sell from inventory as you build them.
You can't make promises to people based on quotes from suppliers, because you will end up turning those promises to lies. People won't be mad at your suppliers or contractors, just you. Getting angry at customers who are tired of excuse after excuse is a horrible way to do business. At some point, the hole you dug yourself is just too deep, you blew through the funds needed to continue building products, and you just close up shop and screw everyone over. This has happened many times, not just in bitcoin hardware.
AMT could pull out of this, even though in my opinion they will never be able to fill all the outstanding orders. To do it, they need to be upfront and honest with shipping times, stop making up dates that they can't keep, and stop acting like a victim and threatening people. Act humble, do your job, work as hard as you can and be honest with your customers. You'll be surprised how people turn from detractors to proponents.
But that behavior is expected from honest people. Which josh is not
A little advice for anyone considering a business like this. The preorder model has been demonstrated over and over again to be faulty, if not outright scammy. A company may not have the intention of taking money from people, causing financial harm to them, and indefinitely delaying the orders, but in the end they all seem to end up that way.
A proper business model, and I've said it over and over again, would be to secure financing, build a good product, start producing them then sell from inventory as you build them.
You can't make promises to people based on quotes from suppliers, because you will end up turning those promises to lies. People won't be mad at your suppliers or contractors, just you. Getting angry at customers who are tired of excuse after excuse is a horrible way to do business. At some point, the hole you dug yourself is just too deep, you blew through the funds needed to continue building products, and you just close up shop and screw everyone over. This has happened many times, not just in bitcoin hardware.
AMT could pull out of this, even though in my opinion they will never be able to fill all the outstanding orders. To do it, they need to be upfront and honest with shipping times, stop making up dates that they can't keep, and stop acting like a victim and threatening people. Act humble, do your job, work as hard as you can and be honest with your customers. You'll be surprised how people turn from detractors to proponents.
A proper business model, and I've said it over and over again, would be to secure financing, build a good product, start producing them then sell from inventory as you build them.
You can't make promises to people based on quotes from suppliers, because you will end up turning those promises to lies. People won't be mad at your suppliers or contractors, just you. Getting angry at customers who are tired of excuse after excuse is a horrible way to do business. At some point, the hole you dug yourself is just too deep, you blew through the funds needed to continue building products, and you just close up shop and screw everyone over. This has happened many times, not just in bitcoin hardware.
AMT could pull out of this, even though in my opinion they will never be able to fill all the outstanding orders. To do it, they need to be upfront and honest with shipping times, stop making up dates that they can't keep, and stop acting like a victim and threatening people. Act humble, do your job, work as hard as you can and be honest with your customers. You'll be surprised how people turn from detractors to proponents.
The real problem is profitability, the payoff if they'd shipped on time would have made it with some to spare, now with difficulty as high as it is, a lot of people will hit MPP.
I think a strategy from AMT to counter this is required, the sooner the better, as this will make existing customer happy (forget about the delivery problems) and secure return customers.
What does Bitmine have to say about this?
I think a strategy from AMT to counter this is required, the sooner the better, as this will make existing customer happy (forget about the delivery problems) and secure return customers.
What does Bitmine have to say about this?
Bruno says he had to talk them out of a miner, amt says that he paid for one. Both sides act like they are king of something. Basically you learned nothing as you were not able to see anything. I believe they gave you a miner, but I'm really laughing at the cease and desist comment. What kind of hack would write up a cease and desist against someone for posting on the Internet. What was the threat, suit for defamation?? Rofl they can never win a defamation suit as they have been caught in basically every lie for all their posts. That whole truth defense.
Waaaah, stop making it hard for us by asking questions... Waaaah..
It would be sad to see them use customer funds to pay a lawyer and to pay your lawyer fees when they lose.
I hope people aren't placated by a single story of how the cages that hold boards took a few extra days, starting four weeks ago, when they claim to be well into shipping miners every day. It is a start, but just a small one. At this point they have still failed to show anything that significantly proves they are capable of shipping all miners.
I'm still waiting to hear why they claimed to have shipped orders into the 1200s when people who have orders lower than that still post constantly about it. Also, still waiting to see an honest picture of a miner received that was shipped to a customer, not a bribe for visiting the office.
Waaaah, stop making it hard for us by asking questions... Waaaah..
It would be sad to see them use customer funds to pay a lawyer and to pay your lawyer fees when they lose.
I hope people aren't placated by a single story of how the cages that hold boards took a few extra days, starting four weeks ago, when they claim to be well into shipping miners every day. It is a start, but just a small one. At this point they have still failed to show anything that significantly proves they are capable of shipping all miners.
I'm still waiting to hear why they claimed to have shipped orders into the 1200s when people who have orders lower than that still post constantly about it. Also, still waiting to see an honest picture of a miner received that was shipped to a customer, not a bribe for visiting the office.
Can anyone explain to me why is non customers getting our paid for units?
same reason Biomech received a complimentary "review" unit, before i received my paid for unit. They are grasping at straws to save their sinking company. They don't understand that line-jumping to promote themselves only pisses off the paying customers, and scares away the ones that were thinking about it.
Can anyone explain to me why is non customers getting our paid for units?
"he drove a long way to come see us" - AMT
Can anyone explain why filming a confession is more important than filming the miner hashing?
Can anyone explain to me why is non customers getting our paid for units?
"he drove a long way to come see us" - AMT
Can anyone explain to me why is non customers getting our paid for units?
They gave you one of our the paying customers miners because AMT hoped you would say nice stuff. AMTs voice is on the camera, still we know it's them.
Not "them" but "him". Joshua Zipkin.
Good to know Jim Brown is Joshua Zipkin's brother in real life (unless he meant masonic brother). Either way, I wouldn't let these dolts have more time. They are obviously incompetent, god only knows how the miner will perform IF it's ever delivered. Read back about Stan-O's and Biomech's bitfury based miner if you want a preview of things to come...
Better to let the lawyers tear into them and recoup our funds, THAN wait it out for these sloppily assembled, under performing, soon to be - paperweights!
The video (and Bruno's statements) prove that Joshua Zipkin gave away a free miner to silence a critic. This is so fucked up and wrong on so many levels. Hopefully Bruno will help use that miner to do a little PI work and see what's inside, how it performs, so on and so forth.
Josh posted about all of these delays revolving around the cage. Well, it's good to know that all this time wasted and R&D were simply for some stupid cages and the case setup for the boards. These boards could of theoretically been running in clients' hands weeks ago, if AMT knew what they were doing in terms of a case design (or simply OMITTED the case idea). They really wanted to stuff this whole setup into a non-expandable desktop tower, and now everyone is paying the price for THAT stupid decision.
This is the problem folks, like Phin said: "Josh is not an engineer, he just orchestrates the whole thing". For AMT to ever have been successful, they needed technical people making decisions from the top down. Instead we got some buffoon with a fake Marketing degree from Penn State. Now what? We hear they are hemorrhaging money and have taken out loans on their houses because this whole clusterfuck of an operation is unprofitable. What did you expect? This is why we needed to dig into Joshua Zipkin's past earlier in the thread, to know whether this guy has the skills required to take on some of these tasks. Sad to say we learned he is not only technically incompetent, but isn't very honest either.
Joshua, you need to do the right thing and honor refunds as they come in. If AMT is insolvent, then you need to let people know. Your silence is just exacerbating the problem, as more people line up to get lawyers.
The cage is top engeniering one of course They gave you one of our the paying customers miners because AMT hoped you would say nice stuff. AMTs voice is on the camera, still we know it's them.
Not "them" but "him". Joshua Zipkin.
Good to know Jim Brown is Joshua Zipkin's brother in real life (unless he meant masonic brother). Either way, I wouldn't let these dolts have more time. They are obviously incompetent, god only knows how the miner will perform IF it's ever delivered. Read back about Stan-O's and Biomech's bitfury based miner if you want a preview of things to come...
Better to let the lawyers tear into them and recoup our funds, THAN wait it out for these sloppily assembled, under performing, soon to be - paperweights!
The video (and Bruno's statements) prove that Joshua Zipkin gave away a free miner to silence a critic. This is so fucked up and wrong on so many levels. Hopefully Bruno will help use that miner to do a little PI work and see what's inside, how it performs, so on and so forth.
Josh posted about all of these delays revolving around the cage. Well, it's good to know that all this time wasted and R&D were simply for some stupid cages and the case setup for the boards. These boards could of theoretically been running in clients' hands weeks ago, if AMT knew what they were doing in terms of a case design (or simply OMITTED the case idea). They really wanted to stuff this whole setup into a non-expandable desktop tower, and now everyone is paying the price for THAT stupid decision.
This is the problem folks, like Phin said: "Josh is not an engineer, he just orchestrates the whole thing". For AMT to ever have been successful, they needed technical people making decisions from the top down. Instead we got some buffoon with a fake Marketing degree from Penn State. Now what? We hear they are hemorrhaging money and have taken out loans on their houses because this whole clusterfuck of an operation is unprofitable. What did you expect? This is why we needed to dig into Joshua Zipkin's past earlier in the thread, to know whether this guy has the skills required to take on some of these tasks. Sad to say we learned he is not only technically incompetent, but isn't very honest either.
Joshua, you need to do the right thing and honor refunds as they come in. If AMT is insolvent, then you need to let people know. Your silence is just exacerbating the problem, as more people line up to get lawyers.
A client which sympathizes with our situation on this thread made some high def photos of his 1.2Th, we thank for his help.
I'm looking at this picture and it doesn't quite add up... I don't see a cat 5 hook up in the back yet it shows it is powered on and hashing when the cat 5 in the front isn't hooked up.
AMT PLEASE EXPLAIN WHERETHE HELL WEREALL THE MINERS SHIPED A MOUNTH AGO? WAS ANYTHING SHIPPED AT ALL?
DOES THIS CRAP WORKS AT ALL?
WILL YOUR CUSTOMERS EVER GET SOMETHING?
WHO WILL COVER THEIR LOSS?
WHY ARE YOU NOT HONORING REFUND REQUESTS?
HOW LONG DO YOU THINK YOU CAN PLAY THIS GAME?
AND FINALY ASK YOUR BRIGHT ENGEENERS TO DESIGN UNBREAKABLE CADGE FOR YOU> I THINK YOU GONNA NEED ONE SOON. SO BETTER TO GET USED TO IT IN ADVANCE!
It is a shame !!!!!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5288381
WHERE ARE THEY
Zipkin POSERKO
It stinks already! A client which sympathizes with our situation on this thread made some high def photos of his 1.2Th, we thank for his help.
I'm looking at this picture and it doesn't quite add up... I don't see a cat 5 hook up in the back yet it shows it is powered on and hashing when the cat 5 in the front isn't hooked up.
or possibly the display sticks if you just pop the ethernet out
possible... but don't see wifi card or antenna either.
A client which sympathizes with our situation on this thread made some high def photos of his 1.2Th, we thank for his help.
I'm looking at this picture and it doesn't quite add up... I don't see a cat 5 hook up in the back yet it shows it is powered on and hashing when the cat 5 in the front isn't hooked up.
or possibly the display sticks if you just pop the ethernet out
A client which sympathizes with our situation on this thread made some high def photos of his 1.2Th, we thank for his help.
I'm looking at this picture and it doesn't quite add up... I don't see a cat 5 hook up in the back yet it shows it is powered on and hashing when the cat 5 in the front isn't hooked up.
Josh honestly believes that it was I who put a major dent into his enterprise, and that he had a handle of everything till I came along and fucked it all up. And that I am the one that has caused a decrease in sales and that I destroyed his brand.
Unfortunately, I've met people like Josh before, and it doesn't work out too good for them in the long run. They want to have complete control of any given situation. Case in point, Josh even had a cease and desist letter at his ready, but didn't have to play that card, because unbeknown to him I had control of the playing-mister-nice-guy deck.
Even up the last minute, Josh still wasn't sure if what he was doing was the right thing, but I just continued to talk sweet him, patting him on his back, assuring him that together we'll turn this company around. When I finally got back in my car and Josh was returning to the office, I said out loud what a fuckin' idiot, and smiled (inside car outta earshot).
More fun facts:
Josh does not do drugs. But, he operates on very little sleep and mega cans of RedBull.
Supposedly, Josh and his partner, Jim Brown, have mortgage off their homes to keep AMT going.
According to Josh, there is no cash for me or for any refunds. They are just getting by.
At one point, while outside smoking a cigarette with Josh still inside, Jim Brown slipped up and referred to Josh as his brother with, "My brother knows more about what's going on with the company than I do."
Unfortunately, I've met people like Josh before, and it doesn't work out too good for them in the long run. They want to have complete control of any given situation. Case in point, Josh even had a cease and desist letter at his ready, but didn't have to play that card, because unbeknown to him I had control of the playing-mister-nice-guy deck.
Even up the last minute, Josh still wasn't sure if what he was doing was the right thing, but I just continued to talk sweet him, patting him on his back, assuring him that together we'll turn this company around. When I finally got back in my car and Josh was returning to the office, I said out loud what a fuckin' idiot, and smiled (inside car outta earshot).
More fun facts:
Josh does not do drugs. But, he operates on very little sleep and mega cans of RedBull.
Supposedly, Josh and his partner, Jim Brown, have mortgage off their homes to keep AMT going.
According to Josh, there is no cash for me or for any refunds. They are just getting by.
At one point, while outside smoking a cigarette with Josh still inside, Jim Brown slipped up and referred to Josh as his brother with, "My brother knows more about what's going on with the company than I do."
So now we have 2 Josh tards on this forum. Great!
Again very well played. Such a good read and such a fail company. I'm waiting for your next target PG! What stakes you used to play poker?
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