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sr. member
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March 29, 2014, 12:07:46 AM
ROFL. anyone else notice that AMT messed with the text of the link I provided in my quotes, to break it for you?


http://www.deanslyons.com/PDFs/2014-03-27-Temporary-Restraining-Order.pdf

There it is again.
or had you put it wrong so they quoted your typo and then you changed it. coins have 2 sides and thats another posibility. not saying they didnt or did change it or you did or didnt edit after quote but both are possible

Nope, are you really trying to claim that I'd have some reason to typo a cut and paste?  Give me a break.
sr. member
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March 29, 2014, 12:06:55 AM
For everyone who doesn't know, the courts DO care. You can get a TRO against these guys, prevent them from using YOUR bitcoin until they go to court. I bet you would get results real quickly on that refund...




That's hashfast, getting in a lot of trouble for failing to ship on time.

Right, except that we don't hold bitcoin, that most CM's and parts companies like digi, mouser, etc accept USD not BTC.

But yea, get a restraining order from a company that you're contacting every other day, that's brilliant.

You must not understand how a restraining order works. That one enjoined hashfast from using bitcoin. One for you would probably involve your bank accounts. From the posts in this thread, I would be led to believe that you don't actually let anyone contact you, as you don't seem to answer phones, emails, etc.

So wait.. While a hurdle of clients were asking Hashfast for refunds, most of which had paid in BTC, suddenly got a restraining order from using BTC - essentially not allowing them to pay people back?

Well that was smart. And your advising users here that paid via BTC to do the same to us in order to a get refund.

Yes, because for two weeks Hashfast is legally prevented from using or hiding those bitcoins, and failure to obey the TRO will lead to them going to jail. Until they show up in court to defend the way they treat their customers, much of which is the same with how you treat your customers, they don't get to run off with the money / property.
hero member
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March 29, 2014, 12:03:42 AM
ROFL. anyone else notice that AMT messed with the text of the link I provided in my quotes, to break it for you?


http://www.deanslyons.com/PDFs/2014-03-27-Temporary-Restraining-Order.pdf

There it is again.
or had you put it wrong so they quoted your typo and then you changed it. coins have 2 sides and thats another posibility. not saying they didnt or did change it or you did or didnt edit after quote but both are possible
sr. member
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March 29, 2014, 12:02:14 AM
For everyone who doesn't know, the courts DO care. You can get a TRO against these guys, prevent them from using YOUR bitcoin until they go to court. I bet you would get results real quickly on that refund...

http://www.deanslyons.com/PDFs/2014-03-27-Temporary-Restraining-Order.pdf


That's hashfast, getting in a lot of trouble for failing to ship on time.

Right, except that we don't hold bitcoin, that most CM's and parts companies like digi, mouser, etc accept USD not BTC.

But yea, get a restraining order from a company that you're contacting every other day, that's brilliant.

You must not understand how a restraining order works. That one enjoined hashfast from using bitcoin. One for you would probably involve your bank accounts. From the posts in this thread, I would be led to believe that you don't actually let anyone contact you, as you don't seem to answer phones, emails, etc.

So wait.. While a hurdle of clients were asking Hashfast for refunds, most of which had paid in BTC, suddenly got a restraining order from using BTC - essentially not allowing them to pay people back?

Well that was smart. And your advising users here that paid via BTC to do the same to us in order to a get refund.
legendary
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Anarchy is not chaos.
March 29, 2014, 12:02:08 AM
I don't know if worldwide difficulty would go up just because of AMT 1Th/s miners, but now it seems many manufactures are now releasing 1Th/s miners which would add up.  I am also not going to be referencing other miners. Even if difficulty was slightly higher, it would still be lost income. It's not that simple to discuss, so I will keep it at that. heh.

Understood. I don't think your argument is invalid in a general sense, I just can't see it flying in court due to the variable nature of bitcoin and the fact that the network is not static. In fact, it seems to be on another spike right now, with a whole bunch of vendors using Innnosilicon's version of the very same chip that AMT is using. Except you can actually get a dragon miner.

Biomech, what happened..

From where I sit, you very badly mismanaged your business. While you did good for me, personally, it seems that you left a lot of people hanging in the wind. Your story kept changing as time went by, and frankly, some of those hanging in the wind are friends of mine.

You asked me to be objective. That's always a difficult thing to do, and moreso when somebody gives you something nice for free. I've tried to walk the line, but it's very difficult to not be angry. I feel like you used my reputation, such as it is, to generate sales that you either didn't intend to deliver on, or were so hopelessly delayed on that you couldn't.

The last two days of revelations at least make me breathe a little easier, as I was beginning to think you didn't even have a terrahash mining unit being built. During the "silent" time, I called you seven times and always got an answering machine. I suspended judgement for some time, because you had done me well.

As for the discussion of law, it's a hobby. I'd play devil's advocate at my own trial for my own immortal soul, if I believed in such things.

That's the general "what happened" from my side. What else happened, just a few days ago, is something you better be ready for in your new rigs. One of my boards overheated and blew some caps. Martin says it's almost certainly because of the restrictive case and smaller heatsink you used. And indeed, the other one has improved its performance quite a bit by being in the open air. If you're restricting your airflow as much as those cases look like in the pics, you're going to be getting a LOT of RMA's if you get your assembly sorted and the majority of your orders shipped. The other board is running like a champ.

In the beginning fo this debacle I defended you, and I meant it. During my conversations here and on the phone with Jim, I advised you to hire a full time customer service rep. You agreed this was a good idea. I also advised you to speak openly to the community if you were going to be delayed in any way, which you also agreed on. Had you done these two, simple, cheap things, you wouldn't be facing the shit storm you are now.
sr. member
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March 29, 2014, 12:00:02 AM
ROFL. anyone else notice that AMT messed with the text of the link I provided in my quotes, to break it for you?


http://www.deanslyons.com/PDFs/2014-03-27-Temporary-Restraining-Order.pdf

There it is again.
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March 28, 2014, 11:59:34 PM
So amt I understand u get a lot of negative feedback on this forum, and I believe it is justified. People keep asking for transparency so why not entertain them a little better. So far all I have read seems to be that you are behind based on a limited production staff/ facilities. Are you making any attempts to correct this issue minus asking the community to come assemble for you? Hire a production manager maybe? Use six sigma principles to cost cut/ increase production? I understand frm your previous post your not breaking even or just barely. Maybe this could help?
sr. member
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March 28, 2014, 11:58:45 PM
A client which sympathizes with our situation on this thread made some high def photos of his 1.2Th, we thank for his help.













Guys,
Just wondering does the whole unit shutdown on overheat, before things burn out, just thinking of single fan on top if it fails what happens? I hate for it to become a really expensive brick?

The chip itself has an overheat threshold which is around 130's C. If the chip shuts down, the chain breaks cause the whole the unit to basically shut down from a hashing perspective. If you're using putty, you'll see an error message similar to CMD_READ_REG ERROR. If you see this, unplug it, wait 30 minutes restart it via putty and do the following:

root
amt
killall cgminer
cgminer -DT

And check to see if the cores in each chip are ok.

Also there are two 4-5 fans in this case. There are two 140's under the cage blow air up through the fins. The 200mm exhaust on top and the 120mm x 1 or 2 in the front of the case blowing air in.

sr. member
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March 28, 2014, 11:53:39 PM
For everyone who doesn't know, the courts DO care. You can get a TRO against these guys, prevent them from using YOUR bitcoin until they go to court. I bet you would get results real quickly on that refund...

http://www.deanlyons.com/PDFs/2014-03-27-Temporary-Restraning-Order.pdf


That's hashfast, getting in a lot of trouble for failing to ship on time.

Right, except that we don't hold bitcoin, that most CM's and parts companies like digi, mouser, etc accept USD not BTC.

But yea, get a restraining order from a company that you're contacting every other day, that's brilliant.

You must not understand how a restraining order works. That one enjoined hashfast from using bitcoin. One for you would probably involve your bank accounts. From the posts in this thread, I would be led to believe that you don't actually let anyone contact you, as you don't seem to answer phones, emails, etc.
sr. member
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March 28, 2014, 11:52:35 PM

Please don't post my details here, just send me an email update, I choose what to post here, thanks.
Or, perhaps just update the order status on our AMT Account page maybe? Wink

We might be able to do that.
member
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March 28, 2014, 11:52:30 PM
A client which sympathizes with our situation on this thread made some high def photos of his 1.2Th, we thank for his help.













Guys,
Just wondering does the whole unit shutdown on overheat, before things burn out, just thinking of single fan on top if it fails what happens? I hate for it to become a really expensive brick?
legendary
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Evil beware: We have waffles!
March 28, 2014, 11:51:25 PM

Please don't post my details here, just send me an email update, I choose what to post here, thanks.
Or, perhaps just update the order status on our AMT Account page maybe? Wink
sr. member
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March 28, 2014, 11:49:49 PM
For everyone who doesn't know, the courts DO care. You can get a TRO against these guys, prevent them from using YOUR bitcoin until they go to court. I bet you would get results real quickly on that refund...

http://www.deanlyons.com/PDFs/2014-03-27-Temporary-Restraning-Order.pdf


That's hashfast, getting in a lot of trouble for failing to ship on time.

Right, except that we don't hold bitcoin, that most CM's and parts companies like digi, mouser, etc accept USD not BTC.

But yea, get a restraining order from a company that you're contacting every other day, that's brilliant.
legendary
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Evil beware: We have waffles!
March 28, 2014, 11:48:09 PM
opieum2:
Luckily I got in late to the BTC scene. Saw BFL's10G Jala's on Tigerdirthere ect in-stock of course) in early Feb. and said what the hell. Got me hooked. Since BFL has their own very fine Forum - I saw the Monarch Saga and stayed away since it was a Not There Yet product.

Ordered the A1 chip 520 (now maybe a 600?) on Feb. 27 only after seeing the A1 chip advertised from several miner makers. Figured must be in production so...
sr. member
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March 28, 2014, 11:47:18 PM


sr. member
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March 28, 2014, 11:45:14 PM
For everyone who doesn't know, the courts DO care. You can get a TRO against these guys, prevent them from using YOUR bitcoin until they go to court. I bet you would get results real quickly on that refund...

http://www.deanslyons.com/PDFs/2014-03-27-Temporary-Restraining-Order.pdf


That's hashfast, getting in a lot of trouble for failing to ship on time.
sr. member
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March 28, 2014, 11:41:26 PM
Did you mean going on the offensive like you did with Clenell? Post my information publicly and try to denounce me, threaten me in emails and messages, tell me that I'm not going to get a miner because I've been bad?

Sorry, tough luck for you.
sr. member
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March 28, 2014, 11:41:13 PM
I've said multiple times, I have not and would never order from you. If I had, you would know about it, and I'd be one of those people that you either provided a miner to out of order, or a refund.

Oh so you're not a client? If you didn't order from us, that means that you're not a customer, is that right?

sr. member
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March 28, 2014, 11:39:12 PM
AMT has been posting a fair bit of info. And they said 12 days roughly now. Considering bitmine has been late also, this might be part of it too, but AMT might want to confirm that as well. They cant exactly talk about every aspect of their business either, there are trade secrets to be kept for any business. That said SOME transparency in operation is possible. But again there is alot of anger right now that needs to be handled first. Getting miners in peoples hands I think is something they are working at. I never really saw any complaints about their 80-128Ghs orders which appear to be in peoples hands. They had the hardware.

So for the 1.2Ths ones It would make logical sense that this would also be related to the bitmine issues as well as well as some of the other supply issues they are having? AMT can you confirm that? This is what I am piecing together from the various things that I have been reading. PSU shortage certainly can screw things up. Case supply shortage can as well.

This is all just speculation on my part of course. AMT can confirm that or it could be something else altogether. But at least if we know it might be for (some) more understandable. I am sticking around to get my miners. I figure Ive waited longer for BFL and likely will see this before I will see their hardware at this point. I put my order in just over a month ago with AMT so I am not hurting too badly in that sense. I do feel for those who have been waiting alot longer and were promised sooner. But it is unfortunately how preorders work sadly. BFL I ordered in mid November and each month its a new thing about why they haven't shipped. AMT at least seems to have some out in the wild now. That's a hell of alot better than none at this point. My position isn't popular but it's the truth at this point.

Just stop sucking up, apparently if you want your miner, you have to go down there. Otherwise they stopped offering discounts for positive reinforcement months ago.

Rick, what's your order number?
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March 28, 2014, 11:38:13 PM
I've said multiple times, I have not and would never order from you. If I had, you would know about it, and I'd be one of those people that you either provided a miner to out of order, or a refund.
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