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Topic: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading - page 108. (Read 723861 times)

sr. member
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NEW BUGS!

New bugs everywhere, constant "not enough balance" errors...
I want to place a buy order for 20 LTC, I get a "not enough balance" error.
But I can place buy order for 3 btc just fine. And then 3 btc more. And then more and more.

And now the error went into BTC orders, I think!!!
I tried to verify by attempting to place 100 BTC buy order at 0.1 USD, and of course, "I do not have enough balance", which is utter nonsense, as my balance is many orders of magnitude higher than 10 USD needed for that order...

Bitfinex, please... put. you. shit. together.

Please?
Please?

K?

Dear Bag

You have 3 different wallets: deposit, exchange and trading.
Always be sure you are on the right wallet when you insert an order, as you might be trying to sell or buy coins where you have no balance.

Use the "manage wallets" function in order to move funds between wallets.

I hope this helps.....
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NEW BUGS!

New bugs everywhere, constant "not enough balance" errors...
I want to place a buy order for 20 LTC, I get a "not enough balance" error.
But I can place buy order for 3 btc just fine. And then 3 btc more. And then more and more.

And now the error went into BTC orders, I think!!!
I tried to verify by attempting to place 100 BTC buy order at 0.1 USD, and of course, "I do not have enough balance", which is utter nonsense, as my balance is many orders of magnitude higher than 10 USD needed for that order...

Bitfinex, please... put. you. shit. together.

Please?
Please?

K?
legendary
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@noobtrader & @Sukrim: Thank you.
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I do Stuff, and stuff.....
I should update my spreadsheet probably to find out if it is "all time", but yeah, the undercutting lending bots definitely did not help in getting good rates...

The "bots" by the way, do help get the best rates possible in a terrible market for those who use them, as data you shared yourself has shown.   I can't fix a shit market, but I can help get the best return possible out of that market.
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I do Stuff, and stuff.....
I should update my spreadsheet probably to find out if it is "all time", but yeah, the undercutting lending bots definitely did not help in getting good rates...

Don't be ridiculous, its not the bots.  There are very few people actually using them, with very little available money.  Its the fact that there are MANY millions more available for lend than there ever has been and a terrible flat market that doesn't promote opening new positions.  This is also nowhere near an all time low.  From 8/17 to 10/7 we were well below this, we're just heading back down to where we were then.  In early to mid September we were seeing rates below 0.03%.  If it hadn't been for the price spike in October that caused a lending rush, we would have been down below this the whole time (since before my bot was released).

Before you try to lay blame, maybe spend 10 minutes actually looking at the market history.
legendary
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I should update my spreadsheet probably to find out if it is "all time", but yeah, the undercutting lending bots definitely did not help in getting good rates...
hero member
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USD lending rates must be near an all time low now eh?
legendary
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I only want to send and withdraw bitcoins. Do I have to complete the full verification?
Currently you don't need to verify for that.

I found something earlier in this thread that suggested I could see the history of my swaps(lending) by clicking BTC after vising my history.  That leads to https://www.bitfinex.com/account/ledger/btc but it does not show any swaps.
It does, the daily "Swap Payment on wallet deposit" lines are your swap payments. You do not get per hour granularity.

If you want to calculate stuff, you can check https://www.bitfinex.com/account/unused_swaps and https://www.bitfinex.com/account/margin_swaps to see how many 1 hour segments your funds have been lent out and start analysis on that.

%{curr} likely just means that you'd mentally have to consider the currency column to the left... since this can contain more than one currency, having a column header that states e.g. "N. of Swap Contracts (of 1 BTC each)" wouldn't make sense.
legendary
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I would like to trade with leverage on Bitfinex, but I don't want to send (or withdraw) fiat to / from Bitfinex,
I only want to send and withdraw bitcoins. Do I have to complete the full verification? I can send scans of ID card, passport,
utility bill and of a recent bank document involving fiat transfer to another exchange (not Bitfinex). Would that be good enough?
Sorry if this looks silly, but I browsed the last 10 pages of this thread and couldn't find relevant information on my problem.

i dont know what will happen in the future, but as today i can deposit/withdraw btc also buy, sell, and offer swap both usd and btc.  i never take swap however, im bullish.  when im bearish i just sell and offer usd swap for few days.

EDIT :: forgot to say, i havent complete verification
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I found something earlier in this thread that suggested I could see the history of my swaps(lending) by clicking BTC after vising my history.  That leads to https://www.bitfinex.com/account/ledger/btc but it does not show any swaps.  I clicked "Margin Swaps" to see if it was there, and that page (https://www.bitfinex.com/account/margin_swaps) shows my closed margin swaps, but without any indication of how much interest it earned!

There's also a bug: the column for # of swaps uses the header "N. of Swap Contracts (of 1 %{curr} each)" in which %{curr} is likely misspelled code (%{cur} ?).

I would like the table to include # of interest periods (hours) and total interest earned, and the fee.  To shorten the column headers, I'd recommend abbreviations, a legend, and mouseover-popups. Links to a help page that explained terminology would be nice too.  I'm available if you want someone to do that work.  I'd do it for free for accolades.  It would also be nice if it included open swaps and just left the relevant fields blank.

When I trade on margin, I would expect to have to pay the first hour's interest regardless of how quickly I close it so that I wouldn't have borrowed someone's money for free.  Perhaps a better option is to charge one hour's interest when the trade is closed if either A) It has been more than 30 minutes since the last calculation OR B) The swap has not earned any interest yet (and, of course, if both conditions are true, still only ONE extra hour's interest is charged).

I looked over the FRR posts.  It seems lots of people don't like the ease with which so many lenders shirk their "responsibility" to choose a rate at which they are willing to lend.  Well, they aren't shirking it.  They are choosing to use "the average of all fixed-rate swaps, of all terms, weighted by their amount, as displayed" on the BitFinex site.  If you want to improve it, break it into several "Variable Rates," VR1, VR2, VR3, etc., each with whatever characteristics might be fun.  See what people like.  Maybe VRD1, VRD2, VRD7, etc, for FRR's that use average rates over the last N days.  Excluding the last hour would discourage whales from gaming it.

I only saw the original question quoted a few time: "How can the FRR be improved?"  I submit that the question is too simple.  Put some effort into guessing: "If we alter the FRR to exclude or include more data, what extra data do you think could help?"  or "The main problem with the FRR seems to be that too many people choose it.  We view this as a sign that it is useful, so we're looking for insight as to what bad things happen when too many people use it."  I don't have enough experience with swaps to answer any of those questions, and I'm really just guessing at what questions might be useful.  But "How to improve" seems too open.  I guess I could have read more of this thread to figure out what the main problems were, but I have other stuff to do, and you could have stopped reading earlier :-P.
legendary
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I would like to trade with leverage on Bitfinex, but I don't want to send (or withdraw) fiat to / from Bitfinex,
I only want to send and withdraw bitcoins. Do I have to complete the full verification? I can send scans of ID card, passport,
utility bill and of a recent bank document involving fiat transfer to another exchange (not Bitfinex). Would that be good enough?
Sorry if this looks silly, but I browsed the last 10 pages of this thread and couldn't find relevant information on my problem.
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Those last two guys seem to be talking about a different thing than I was - all I noticed was some potential weirdness around the expiry date where it seemed to reset the unused remainder to the full initially offered duration (or possibly just rounded up to a whole number of days; would have had the same effect) whenever funds were moved from unused to used. Never noticed any discrepancy with the payment.

I wonder if it's connected with that other oddness in the other direction, where the 'time remaining' on reserved funds repeatedly ticked downwards as they were used... could be the implementation only has a concept of integer numbers of days.

I was talking about the same thing you are, it seems to appear only on unused swaps
was thinking  the same about the integer number of days , but it seems that is only a "visual" glitch because the swaps  were returned on time

can't be sure though if this happens every time , maybe someone from bitfinex can make it clear to us 
legendary
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tried to withdraw money yesterday from bitfinex. a day passed but money is not being transferred. wrote to support twice, but they are not answering. what is going on there? anyone encountered the same problem during the last day or two? is it goxing?

keep us informed, maybe just time difference.  try pm and email unclescrooge
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I want to margin trade on bitfinex and i know the fundamental principles of how it works. And i traded such papers on real world stocks. But i cant find out how it works on bitfinex even with their explaination on margin trading because they only describe fundamentals and those sound different from what i would await. Daily payout? I thought payments happen only when the paper ends?

As far as i understand one can short and long BTC there. Or you can be a lender for bitcoins. If you want you cant create a option paper? yourself or buy such papers that others created.

So how exactly, step by step, can i bid on a lowering bitcoin price? Thanks!

I have no "real world" trading background so I may use screwy terminology, but the basic principle is (as with any leveraged trade) to borrow the side of the pair that you think is going to be less valuable, use those borrowed funds to trade into the other currency, then wait for the price to move in your favour before paying back what you owe and keeping the difference as your profit.

On 'finex your choice is to provide 'swaps' that pay you a small fixed percentage rate per day in exchange for giving someone else control over those funds (either BTC or USD) to trade with. Or to take swaps, pay that rate, and use them to fund your trading. The daily payout is to settle the percentage due to the swap provider (payable either out of your capital or by borrowing more). When it comes to the profits from your position it's as you described; only at the end when you close it out.

So to enter a short position you would put your funds into the 'trading' wallet, then go to the margin trade tab and enter a "Sell" order. If you sell more coins than you personally own, it'll automatically take out a BTC swap to fund your position, or if you prefer you can go to the swaps tab to manually reserve some funds to try and secure a better rate.
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I want to margin trade on bitfinex and i know the fundamental principles of how it works. And i traded such papers on real world stocks. But i cant find out how it works on bitfinex even with their explaination on margin trading because they only describe fundamentals and those sound different from what i would await. Daily payout? I thought payments happen only when the paper ends?

As far as i understand one can short and long BTC there. Or you can be a lender for bitcoins. If you want you cant create a option paper? yourself or buy such papers that others created.

So how exactly, step by step, can i bid on a lowering bitcoin price? Thanks!
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tried to withdraw money yesterday from bitfinex. a day passed but money is not being transferred. wrote to support twice, but they are not answering. what is going on there? anyone encountered the same problem during the last day or two? is it goxing?
legendary
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I had a short for 28 TH1 contracts.  They were priced at 30-45% over mining value (and 20-40% over mining value plus expected swap cost), so I thought it was a good risk.  Turns out that the contract's value didn't depend on mining value...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitfinex-how-i-lost-money-exposing-manipulation-of-bitfinexs-mining-contract-853084

I'm not rich.  This is the most money I've ever lost on an investment in my 23 years of investing. I've made a couple thousand on lending USD swaps at Bitfinex, so I'm sticking with the show.  But while I was a formerly very happy customer, I'm now disgruntled.
legendary
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TH1
I lost about 8.8 BTC and then made back 0.8 BTC for a net loss of 8 BTC. Without manipulation, I would have made a net profit of 0 BTC.  If I had held on 5-7 days longer and been bailed out by Bitfinex when they intervened in the market and bailed out the shorters then I would have made a profit of 13 BTC.  But instead I cut my losses because there was no indication that they would act.

The market should never be offered unless swap is available for the same length of lifetime (in days) as the contract.

wow 8 btc is like 2700 usd Huh

how much 1TH did you play ?


btw is it true that 1TH is gone for good now Huh or will they offer new contract ?
legendary
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TH1
I lost about 8.8 BTC and then made back 0.8 BTC for a net loss of 8 BTC. Without manipulation, I would have made a net profit of 0 BTC.  If I had held on 5-7 days longer and been bailed out by Bitfinex when they intervened in the market and bailed out the shorters then I would have made a profit of 13 BTC.  But instead I cut my losses because there was no indication that they would act.

The market should never be offered unless swap is available for the same length of lifetime (in days) as the contract.
legendary
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Now that the TH1BTC contract is done, here are my suggestions:

1. Show values in BTC rather than $ in the TH1BTC (and LTCBTC) margin trading display. Dollars amounts aren't useful since everything is done in BTC and nothing is done in dollars.

2. Make the trading price range limits smarter. In the last few days of the TH1BTC contract, the value dropped quickly enough to make it impossible to trade sometimes because the software limits the difference between the trade price and the last price to 10%. In some cases, I could not sell to bids that were 40% above the contract's expected value.

3. I don't know if it is me or what, but I got a few margin calls and it was not obvious why. It would be nice if a number were displayed that tells you how close you are to reaching the margin requirement, or at least provide two values that can be compared.


oh derp...

i lost 0.2 btc on TH1BTC,
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