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Topic: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading - page 267. (Read 723903 times)

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I understand the logic behind the policy change to prevent fake walls coming from small balances, but I think it's a serious problem that traders are now unable to place orders to close out positions if the orders theoretically exceed the balance available.  To clarify, say I'm short 20 btc and my margin balance is low, I can no longer place a 20 btc buy order at a lower price due to the balance requirements; this makes no sense because the entire point of the order is the cover my short and replenish the balance.  It can't be that traders cannot preemptively place orders to close out their existing positions.  Thoughts? 

If we are short then we should at minimum be able to place buy orders for *2x* the amount we are short. Say I'm short 20 BTC: I would then like to be able to cover my short and turn long, i.e buy 40 BTC. This is specially useful in volatile times.

+1

2x sounds like a reasonable compromise. 

'+1. The engine should never deny placing and executing an order that would decrease the absolute size of the overall position. I've had my (admittedly lousy) bots fail to get out because im trying to turn a -10.8 position into a +0.2, having to make sure to first execute to something like -0.0001 and then adding longs if I wish. Combine this with the fact that the API call to place multiple orders will not process the rest of the orders when that happens it makes for increasingly complicated order placing logic.

It would be very nice if this area could be improved on, meanwhile I'll get back to actually putting some error processing into my scripts Smiley

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The size of my short position is higher than the total swaps I have borrowed.  How is this possible?  There is no BTC in my account.  Also, the swap rate seems to be going up too fast for the borrowed rate.  Can this logic be verified?

Are you guys auditing your trading history?  If so, how often do you see commission/fee errors?



I've also noticed that the swap interest
really accrues incredibly fast,
but was told that it's worth it to try and
reserve your loans ahead of time at:

https://www.bitfinex.com/credit

I'm aware of that option, but it doesn't really answer the question.  My swaps are at the flash rate anyway, so I don't see why 1) there would be a mismatch, and 2) it would accrue interest any different than if I reserved manually.
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I understand the logic behind the policy change to prevent fake walls coming from small balances, but I think it's a serious problem that traders are now unable to place orders to close out positions if the orders theoretically exceed the balance available.  To clarify, say I'm short 20 btc and my margin balance is low, I can no longer place a 20 btc buy order at a lower price due to the balance requirements; this makes no sense because the entire point of the order is the cover my short and replenish the balance.  It can't be that traders cannot preemptively place orders to close out their existing positions.  Thoughts? 

If we are short then we should at minimum be able to place buy orders for *2x* the amount we are short. Say I'm short 20 BTC: I would then like to be able to cover my short and turn long, i.e buy 40 BTC. This is specially useful in volatile times.

Now, being able to buy back what you're short and go long is obviously different from being able to place 100 x 20 BTC orders and put up a "fake" 2000 BTC buywall - which I believe is what the latest change is meant to prevent. Perhaps some minor adjustment is required.

Of course, we should keep in mind that the reason for this change was that some traders did abuse the freedom BFX previously gave us and that is why we are now more restricted. However.. there is a slight difference between shaving and cutting your head off.

+1

2x sounds like a reasonable compromise. 
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I understand the logic behind the policy change to prevent fake walls coming from small balances, but I think it's a serious problem that traders are now unable to place orders to close out positions if the orders theoretically exceed the balance available.  To clarify, say I'm short 20 btc and my margin balance is low, I can no longer place a 20 btc buy order at a lower price due to the balance requirements; this makes no sense because the entire point of the order is the cover my short and replenish the balance.  It can't be that traders cannot preemptively place orders to close out their existing positions.  Thoughts? 
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The size of my short position is higher than the total swaps I have borrowed.  How is this possible?  There is no BTC in my account.  Also, the swap rate seems to be going up too fast for the borrowed rate.  Can this logic be verified?

Are you guys auditing your trading history?  If so, how often do you see commission/fee errors?



I've also noticed that the swap interest
really accrues incredibly fast,
but was told that it's worth it to try and
reserve your loans ahead of time at:

https://www.bitfinex.com/credit
legendary
Activity: 2126
Merit: 1001
Edit:
All buy walls on all exchanges are mostly fake. BTC isn´t worth more than 200 bucks.

I'll bite: I even offer you a 50% markup to the price you state. Please let me know how many Bitcoins I can buy from you for 300 bucks each.

Of course you can manipulate the market. You put up a huge fake wall [...]

Problem with that is, that we have regular price fluctuations and BitStamp order integration. Your fake, inflated offer would be taken pretty quick, by someone wh didn't even look into the orderbook. Your fake wall doesn't show up in the BitStamp orderbook to begin with..
Maybe you could manipulate the BitFinex book a bit, but not to any amount that it's far away from the BitStamp rate.

And, in general: I stopped bothering being clever with the orderbook. The market moves quicker than my strategies work out, so I make better trades when more-or-less dropping it all to the orderbook.

Ente
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I sent 2 LTCs to one of the developer here. Bitfinex fails to register it.

I complained about it to support:
=================================
Hi,

I sent 2 LTCs to my developer as part of ongoing contribution.

Bitfinex took 2 LTCs from my Bitfinex account, but it was not confirmed.

See here (my LTC address, showing that my LTCs are still there)
http://block-explorer.com/address/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

2 LTCs that is supposed to go to:

LTC: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

http://block-explorer.com/tx/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Please respond - as it's the 3rd time.
=================================

Has anyone experiencing the similar situation as mine?

full member
Activity: 238
Merit: 100
The size of my short position is higher than the total swaps I have borrowed.  How is this possible?  There is no BTC in my account.  Also, the swap rate seems to be going up too fast for the borrowed rate.  Can this logic be verified?

Are you guys auditing your trading history?  If so, how often do you see commission/fee errors?
member
Activity: 112
Merit: 10
The Exchange Wallet has the

"Buy All"
and
"Sell All"

Buttons under "Order Type",
but the Trading Wallet does not,

Can this feature not be implemented
on the Trading Wallet also ?,

Would make taking a position so much easier,
as it stands one has to actually use a calculator
to determine how large or small an order to make,
especially if going all in.
sr. member
Activity: 446
Merit: 250
CAT.EX Exchange
You can read all my past comments here, always supportive of bitfinex.

But confirming higher rates after they are charged does not pass confidence or trust to you clients.



The rates are not higher, they are the same they have always been.
It's just another way to account them for.

I hope this helps

Giancarlo
Bitfinex Team
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ASICMINER shares: Havelockinvestments.com
Hey guys,

Just wanted to confirm that these last 2 days some fees were indeed 0.35% while other were regular BFX fees.

Indeed, we reverse the internal trading engine to the "old" one during some investigation after the attacks we've been subject too.

Since 2 hours you will now have the same standard BFX fees applied on ALL trades (depending on your fee schedule of course).

Just one thing about it: From an accounting point of view (profit/loss wise), the old "0.35%" fees is built-in the new BSTP liquidity, so it don't change much actually.

Let me know if it's clear

Thanks
Raphael
Bitfinex team
Thank you for your reply. I had a feeling it was due to the rollback. Good to hear the feature is now fully implemented. Smiley
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
You can read all my past comments here, always supportive of bitfinex.

But confirming higher rates after they are charged does not pass confidence or trust to you clients.

hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 1000
- Position #84544 closed @ 703.0 on wallet trading 168.5622529    
- Trading fees for 17.2366 BTC @ 703.0 on BSTP (0.35%) on wallet trading 42.41062896

Didn't they just change it to always charge 0,15% and doing the price padding thing to cover up the difference?

Announcement story as indicated on https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/announcements is:

"Going forward, we will no longer be showing “Bitstamp” orders on our book, but rather regular “BFX” orders reflecting Bitstamp liquidity, but priced and grouped in such a way that BFX commission rules can be applied uniformly to all trades on the platform."

This story does clearly NOT hold water as shown by the fee applied to the short I closed at $703 four hours ago. It also did not hold water regarding the trades I did yesterday.

What I am annoyed with isn't really the extra fee equivalent of a milk or two that I've been charged today and yesterday, it's that there is now no way to know what fee will be applied and no way to route orders in order to ensure that the BFX fee will apply (I used to route all my orders BFX when that was possible).
Diddo. I too am being charge 0.35% on some orders and some not, when that fee was supposed to be integrated into the price.

Hey guys,

Just wanted to confirm that these last 2 days some fees were indeed 0.35% while other were regular BFX fees.

Indeed, we reverse the internal trading engine to the "old" one during some investigation after the attacks we've been subject too.

Since 2 hours you will now have the same standard BFX fees applied on ALL trades (depending on your fee schedule of course).

Just one thing about it: From an accounting point of view (profit/loss wise), the old "0.35%" fees is built-in the new BSTP liquidity, so it don't change much actually.

Let me know if it's clear

Thanks
Raphael
Bitfinex team
jr. member
Activity: 47
Merit: 10
Insurance take 20% of swap income. I'm a newbie, I don't know exactly how big the risk is.So I can't calculate whether it worth it.
Any advice? Did you lost in swap because not buy insurance? I can see the insurance fund is only 50000 usd, it seems not very helpful if there is a big loss
Also  what is  Flash Return Rate ? Flash return means I can getback my lent out money at any time? If so, maybe useful

Thanks for your advice in advance.
legendary
Activity: 1442
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Degenerate bull hatter & Bitcoin monotheist
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member
Activity: 69
Merit: 10
ASICMINER shares: Havelockinvestments.com
- Position #84544 closed @ 703.0 on wallet trading 168.5622529    
- Trading fees for 17.2366 BTC @ 703.0 on BSTP (0.35%) on wallet trading 42.41062896

Didn't they just change it to always charge 0,15% and doing the price padding thing to cover up the difference?

Announcement story as indicated on https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/announcements is:

"Going forward, we will no longer be showing “Bitstamp” orders on our book, but rather regular “BFX” orders reflecting Bitstamp liquidity, but priced and grouped in such a way that BFX commission rules can be applied uniformly to all trades on the platform."

This story does clearly NOT hold water as shown by the fee applied to the short I closed at $703 four hours ago. It also did not hold water regarding the trades I did yesterday.

What I am annoyed with isn't really the extra fee equivalent of a milk or two that I've been charged today and yesterday, it's that there is now no way to know what fee will be applied and no way to route orders in order to ensure that the BFX fee will apply (I used to route all my orders BFX when that was possible).
Diddo. I too am being charge 0.35% on some orders and some not, when that fee was supposed to be integrated into the price.
member
Activity: 315
Merit: 10
Right now I can't withdraw BTC from Finex at all.

Tried three times and here is how it went.

I requesed withdrawal of 0.5 BTC and got standard e-mail saying "If you did not approve this withdrawal, please respond to this email to cancel the withdrawal request."
From there it goes nowhere though. No follow up e-mail to confirm the withdrawal and when I check my acocunt on finex it's still pending.

Tried this three times and never worked.

Then setup two factor auth thinking the confirmation e-mail might now be coming through and by setting that up I should bypass the confirmation mail but no luck.
Still have a pending withdrawal going nowhere Sad
hero member
Activity: 1120
Merit: 554
Bitfinex - Please contact me IMMEDIATELY - there is unaccountable activity in my account.

I have 'auto-renew' on, but funds have been sent to the exchange wallet and BTC bought. Also, I couldn't login, had to change the password ... wtf?? Auto-renew is still on, but I'm holding BTC that I never traded ...

It looks like someone was preparing to make a withdrawal .... omg. Damage right now is that I own BTC at a bad price ... but can be reversed. But we need to figure out what has happened ...

Did you try to contact them by e-mail?
Sorry if your account was highjacked : / No 2-Factor-Auth enabled?

Looks like my password was compromised - someone got access to the account and was accumulating BTC in preparation for attempting a withdrawal. No withdrawals were made, but due to buying BTC/LTC during the market decline, my account is down about 5% in value. Clear evidence they were trying to gain authorization to make a withdrawal - fortunately that failed.

Not Bitfinex' fault ... but I'd like them to have a look, in case they can spot a pattern across other accounts and/or advise me on improving security.

For the record I've been traveling heavily these past several weeks and logging in at multiple airports / unsecured networks. My password could have been snagged anywhere, in retrospect.
member
Activity: 104
Merit: 10
Pecunia non olet
Bitfinex - Please contact me IMMEDIATELY - there is unaccountable activity in my account.

I have 'auto-renew' on, but funds have been sent to the exchange wallet and BTC bought. Also, I couldn't login, had to change the password ... wtf?? Auto-renew is still on, but I'm holding BTC that I never traded ...

It looks like someone was preparing to make a withdrawal .... omg. Damage right now is that I own BTC at a bad price ... but can be reversed. But we need to figure out what has happened ...

Did you try to contact them by e-mail?
Sorry if your account was highjacked : / No 2-Factor-Auth enabled?
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