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mayax

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Quote from: deisik on August 19, 2017, 03:27:28 PM

Quote from: mayax on August 19, 2017, 02:54:46 PM

move all your funds out of this shit exchanger.

they made a lot of money but they don't want to get a financial license anywhere. why? because all they are doing is fraudulent: fake transactions and volume, market manipulation, so called "hack" which was an inside thing, lies regarding to the bank withdrawals , etc

stay away of Bitfinex.

Dude, you become really annoying

What is your agenda here? I will never believe that you are doing this kind of thing out of empathy or compassion since you obviously lack these qualities. I've seen you posting total crap in the Btc-e thread, and now you came here to spread your stench around. I guess you assume that Bitfinex should get a financial license from no other than Uncle Sam himself. Did I get you right? How much do you get paid? Have you been hired by Poloniex? To all, did anyone see this fudster post anything negative about Polo (or any American exchange, for that matter)?

no, they can get a financial license from any country and they will not accept US clients. for them, it's not about money. it's about compliance with the financials laws.

Yes, I post alot of things about Poloniex shit. They are in the same boat like Bitfinex, Kraken and so on. There is no agenda, mate.

BTC cannot move forward by having unlicensed exchangers. they are like a plague ; they did and they do a lot of harm to the e-currency industry. Why? because they can disappear over night by stealing the funds or they can be seized anytime. count how many unlicensed exchangers have gone and count how many licensed exchangers have gone too. get real and see the facts. Wink

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Quote from: mayax on August 19, 2017, 02:54:46 PM

move all your funds out of this shit exchanger.

they made a lot of money but they don't want to get a financial license anywhere. why? because all they are doing is fraudulent: fake transactions and volume, market manipulation, so called "hack" which was an inside thing, lies regarding to the bank withdrawals , etc

stay away of Bitfinex.

Dude, you become really annoying

What is your agenda here? I will never believe that you are doing this kind of thing out of empathy or compassion since you obviously lack these qualities. I've seen you posting total crap in the Btc-e thread, and now you came here to spread your stench around. I guess you assume that Bitfinex should get a financial license from no other than Uncle Sam himself. Did I get you right? How much do you get paid? Have you been hired by Poloniex? To all, did anyone see this fudster post anything negative about Polo (or any American exchange, for that matter)?

mayax

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move all your funds out of this shit exchanger.

they made a lot of money but they don't want to get a financial license anywhere. why? because all they are doing is fraudulent: fake transactions and volume, market manipulation, so called "hack" which was an inside thing, lies regarding to the bank withdrawals , etc

stay away of Bitfinex.

pfx

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I became blind to bitfinex notifications & missed this U.S. related announcement.

I'm worried now, though.

I really don't want to end up in a situation where i can't withdraw btc

As a U.S. customer are they going to shut me out? - I've already lived through getting coins stolen, getting the tokens, buying back etc

I've been loaning for a while (that's all I do, other exchange suggestions?) - What will happen if I have loans out & something comes down?

I checked my verification abilities and I'm verified for Deposit & Withdraw of CRYPTOCURRENCIES & TETHER (USD₮) - but not US DOLLAR

- I don't really remember being verified for anything. I don't need to withdraw USD, just btc.

How risky is it to continue, or will I even have the ability to just continue lending?

Should i bail?

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Quote from: Samarkand on August 16, 2017, 09:48:01 AM

Quote from: manchester93 on August 15, 2017, 01:14:28 PM

Quote from: amaral1977 on August 15, 2017, 12:29:30 PM

Quote from: manchester93 on August 15, 2017, 12:10:02 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on August 15, 2017, 09:44:16 AM

I don't see what their issuing of bfx tokens has to do with anything at this point.

I don't think the token issuance necessarily has to do with Bitfinex's banking problems, but it certainly might. There was certainly something that caused Wells Fargo to cut them off from the USD banking system, and I'm increasingly worried about what it is. I'd be very surprised if the US government wasn't investigating them on multiple fronts by now.

The crypto party is becoming serious as it is no longer a group of tech nerds playing around. there are Billions at stake and some corporate highrollers are in the game deep. So I see corporations trying to get a control grip around this market and states try to get their share in taxes..

I definitely think this is partly about 1) shaking down Bitcoin exchanges/services for the compliance racquet (huge licensing/compliance costs associated with the US market.) And 2) Deterring people (more specifically, US citizens) from using exchanges where they can avoid paying taxes. This event is definitely driving new business towards exchanges like Coinbase (with its VC and Wall Street backing).

Let´s say your assumptions are true. Why haven´t they been able to set up new banking relationships outside of the US?
They announced to enable withdrawals in currencies like JPY or HKD (or even Euros!) and haven´t been able to deliver on that promise.

Besides, the US market is big. I agree that compliance costs are ridiculous, but the US is also one of the biggest and therefore most profitable markets to operate in. If the crypto market will continue to grow in the future, it may be a bad business decision to opt out of the US just because of compliance costs

There is a proverb which suits here perfectly

It basically says that it is dangerous to be America's enemy but to be America's friend is fatal (ascribed to Henry Kissinger). The point is that it may turn prohibitively expensive to comply with all the requirements that the US financial authorities may put forward. Regarding completely bypassing the US banking system, this is a task next to impossible to accomplish for an exchange since America is out of hand controlling the international payment system. Whole countries get cut off from it by America's whimsy, so it won't take a lot to deprive some exchange of fiat channels

Samarkand

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Quote from: manchester93 on August 15, 2017, 01:14:28 PM

Quote from: amaral1977 on August 15, 2017, 12:29:30 PM

Quote from: manchester93 on August 15, 2017, 12:10:02 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on August 15, 2017, 09:44:16 AM

I don't see what their issuing of bfx tokens has to do with anything at this point.

I don't think the token issuance necessarily has to do with Bitfinex's banking problems, but it certainly might. There was certainly something that caused Wells Fargo to cut them off from the USD banking system, and I'm increasingly worried about what it is. I'd be very surprised if the US government wasn't investigating them on multiple fronts by now.

The crypto party is becoming serious as it is no longer a group of tech nerds playing around. there are Billions at stake and some corporate highrollers are in the game deep. So I see corporations trying to get a control grip around this market and states try to get their share in taxes..

I definitely think this is partly about 1) shaking down Bitcoin exchanges/services for the compliance racquet (huge licensing/compliance costs associated with the US market.) And 2) Deterring people (more specifically, US citizens) from using exchanges where they can avoid paying taxes. This event is definitely driving new business towards exchanges like Coinbase (with its VC and Wall Street backing).

Let´s say your assumptions are true. Why haven´t they been able to set up new banking relationships outside of the US?
They announced to enable withdrawals in currencies like JPY or HKD (or even Euros!) and haven´t been able to deliver
on that promise.

Besides, the US market is big. I agree that compliance costs are ridiculous, but the US is also one of the biggest and therefore
most profitable markets to operate in. If the crypto market will continue to grow in the future, it may be a bad business decision
to opt out of the US just because of compliance costs.

I still suspect that they have problems due to the token creation, which allegedly (!) is the reason why they
were dropped by WF.

manchester93

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Quote from: amaral1977 on August 15, 2017, 12:29:30 PM

Quote from: manchester93 on August 15, 2017, 12:10:02 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on August 15, 2017, 09:44:16 AM

I don't see what their issuing of bfx tokens has to do with anything at this point.

I don't think the token issuance necessarily has to do with Bitfinex's banking problems, but it certainly might. There was certainly something that caused Wells Fargo to cut them off from the USD banking system, and I'm increasingly worried about what it is. I'd be very surprised if the US government wasn't investigating them on multiple fronts by now.

The crypto party is becoming serious as it is no longer a group of tech nerds playing around. there are Billions at stake and some corporate highrollers are in the game deep. So I see corporations trying to get a control grip around this market and states try to get their share in taxes..

I definitely think this is partly about 1) shaking down Bitcoin exchanges/services for the compliance racquet (huge licensing/compliance costs associated with the US market.) And 2) Deterring people (more specifically, US citizens) from using exchanges where they can avoid paying taxes. This event is definitely driving new business towards exchanges like Coinbase (with its VC and Wall Street backing).

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Quote from: manchester93 on August 15, 2017, 12:10:02 PM

Quote from: Quickseller on August 15, 2017, 09:44:16 AM

I don't see what their issuing of bfx tokens has to do with anything at this point.

I don't think the token issuance necessarily has to do with Bitfinex's banking problems, but it certainly might. There was certainly something that caused Wells Fargo to cut them off from the USD banking system, and I'm increasingly worried about what it is. I'd be very surprised if the US government wasn't investigating them on multiple fronts by now.

The crypto party is becoming serious as it is no longer a group of tech nerds playing around. there are Billions at stake and some corporate highrollers are in the game deep. So I see corporations trying to get a control grip around this market and states try to get their share in taxes..

manchester93

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Quote from: Quickseller on August 15, 2017, 09:44:16 AM

I don't see what their issuing of bfx tokens has to do with anything at this point.

I don't think the token issuance necessarily has to do with Bitfinex's banking problems, but it certainly might. There was certainly something that caused Wells Fargo to cut them off from the USD banking system, and I'm increasingly worried about what it is. I'd be very surprised if the US government wasn't investigating them on multiple fronts by now.

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Quote from: Samarkand on August 15, 2017, 09:40:07 AM

It is telling that other exchanges like Bitstamp never had problems in establishing banking relationships.

I would consider that to be quite an overstatement, but yes - many other exchanges seem to have smoothed out their fiat part over the past few years.

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Quote from: Quickseller on August 15, 2017, 09:44:16 AM

Quote from: Samarkand on August 15, 2017, 09:40:07 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on August 15, 2017, 08:55:31 AM

Quote from: Sukrim on August 15, 2017, 08:22:08 AM

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So, one question here... Those that are NOT US Citizens, can they withdraw dollars (After verifying)?

Most likely not, they were talking about manual one-off deals to withdraw 50k+ USD at once a while back, but so far it still seems that the fiat channels on Bitfinex are quite lacking.

Corporate customers and individuals in certain jurisdictions are able to deposit/ withdraw fiat afaik

Do you mean Taiwan by other jurisdictions? Months ago they were talking about withdrawals in JPY or HKD, but until today
it is still not possible to withdraw from your BFX account using any of the mentioned currencies.

I think they lost the chance to establish new banking relationships when they introduced their tokens for
the people affected by the hack.

It is telling that other exchanges like Bitstamp never had problems in establishing banking relationships.

I suspect they have stopped banking in Taiwan.

I am under the impression that other exchanges have had difficulty with banking relationships although they have not been quite as public and high profile.

I don't see what their issuing of bfx tokens has to do with anything at this point.

I heard a different story though

I'm not very familiar with the issue (so bear with me), but it looks like the American citizens couldn't use these tokens, and that caused a lot of friction between the US regulating agencies such as SEC and CFTC (don't remember which) and the exchange. And this, in its turn, caused to the US banks (say, Wells Fargo) close fiat payment channels for Bitfinex. So the exchange got sort of blacklisted by the US controlled international payment system

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Quote from: Samarkand on August 15, 2017, 09:40:07 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on August 15, 2017, 08:55:31 AM

Quote from: Sukrim on August 15, 2017, 08:22:08 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

So, one question here... Those that are NOT US Citizens, can they withdraw dollars (After verifying)?

Most likely not, they were talking about manual one-off deals to withdraw 50k+ USD at once a while back, but so far it still seems that the fiat channels on Bitfinex are quite lacking.

Corporate customers and individuals in certain jurisdictions are able to deposit/ withdraw fiat afaik

Do you mean Taiwan by other jurisdictions? Months ago they were talking about withdrawals in JPY or HKD, but until today
it is still not possible to withdraw from your BFX account using any of the mentioned currencies.

I think they lost the chance to establish new banking relationships when they introduced their tokens for
the people affected by the hack.

It is telling that other exchanges like Bitstamp never had problems in establishing banking relationships.

I suspect they have stopped banking in Taiwan.

I am under the impression that other exchanges have had difficulty with banking relationships although they have not been quite as public and high profile.

I don't see what their issuing of bfx tokens has to do with anything at this point.

Samarkand

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Quote from: Quickseller on August 15, 2017, 08:55:31 AM

Quote from: Sukrim on August 15, 2017, 08:22:08 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

So, one question here... Those that are NOT US Citizens, can they withdraw dollars (After verifying)?

Most likely not, they were talking about manual one-off deals to withdraw 50k+ USD at once a while back, but so far it still seems that the fiat channels on Bitfinex are quite lacking.

Corporate customers and individuals in certain jurisdictions are able to deposit/ withdraw fiat afaik

Do you mean Taiwan by other jurisdictions? Months ago they were talking about withdrawals in JPY or HKD, but until today
it is still not possible to withdraw from your BFX account using any of the mentioned currencies.

I think they lost the chance to establish new banking relationships when they introduced their tokens for
the people affected by the hack.

It is telling that other exchanges like Bitstamp never had problems in establishing banking relationships.

Quickseller

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Quote from: Sukrim on August 15, 2017, 08:22:08 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

So, one question here... Those that are NOT US Citizens, can they withdraw dollars (After verifying)?

Most likely not, they were talking about manual one-off deals to withdraw 50k+ USD at once a while back, but so far it still seems that the fiat channels on Bitfinex are quite lacking.

Corporate customers and individuals in certain jurisdictions are able to deposit/ withdraw fiat afaik

Sukrim

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Quote from: ?? on ??

So, one question here... Those that are NOT US Citizens, can they withdraw dollars (After verifying)?

Most likely not, they were talking about manual one-off deals to withdraw 50k+ USD at once a while back, but so far it still seems that the fiat channels on Bitfinex are quite lacking.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

So, one question here... Those that are NOT US Citizens, can they withdraw dollars (After verifying)?

I guess no one here can answer this question reliably

And likely even Bitfinex itself can't answer it since they were cut off from fiat payment channels irrespective of the US citizens trading there. It seems certain that they are refusing the Americans to trade at the exchange for the sake of keeping themselves safe from accusations and possible FBI attacks on them (think Btc-e here), and this has nothing to do with fiat withdrawals as such. So my take on this is no, no one will be able to withdraw fiat if only on an individual basis via some obscure channels

Ente

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NOW I understand. Bitfinex was cut off its US banks.
That's the reason for all those shitcoins they trade now!
Shifting from a fiat-btc exchange to a shitcoin-btc exchange.
Maybe pump'n'dump by "we trade shitcoinXY now" as well Cheesy

Ente

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STOP SNITCHIN'

Quote from: giwon on August 07, 2017, 08:18:27 PM

Quote from: squatter on August 07, 2017, 07:40:29 PM

Quote from: giwon on August 07, 2017, 07:29:12 PM

Hello, I need help.
I created the withdrawal request and it maybe complete. but, the tx is not found. I think something is wrong.
So, I created ticket 2days ago. But, i don't any response. The ticket # is #472576. please send any response to me.

They usually provide a TX ID in your withdrawal history. Did they? If not, what does your history say? If you have a TX ID, and feel comfortable posting it, please post it here.

If the withdrawal really is stuck: Make a post on Reddit at r/bitcoinmarkets. Cross-post it to r/bitcoin. Tag one of their reps in the post: https://www.reddit.com/user/bfx_brandon

I would also link to the post in a tweet sent to @bitfinex on Twitter, with hashtags #bitfinex and #bitcoin. The exchanges tend to be more responsive when complaints start being circulated on social media. Sad but true.

They gave me the tx id (0xb533c005436625fb3f7eb9e752c31300d69a794dc0516e858286abf6807937a7). But, I can't get any result on Etherscan.

Indeed, I cannot find any record of this transaction's existence on the network, after checking multiple block explorers. Has this situation been resolved yet, or is Bitfinex still silent?

Quote from: mega.bits2017 on August 09, 2017, 12:39:28 AM

I have the same situation, 3 transactions in ETH at very big volume, seems in bitfinex like complete, but in true money was lost
At etherscan tx transaction I see only this:
Sorry, We are unable to locate the Transaction entry

And most important, in this situation I don`t receive ANY answer from bitfinex 4 days! May be someone know what i can do?

This is worrisome. Please post the transaction ID that the exchange provided to you (in your withdrawal history). Again, IMO, this is what both of you should do:

Quote

Make a post on Reddit at r/bitcoinmarkets. Cross-post it to r/bitcoin. Tag one of their reps in the post: https://www.reddit.com/user/bfx_brandon

I would also link to the post in a tweet sent to @bitfinex on Twitter, with hashtags #bitfinex and #bitcoin.

I'm not aware of any representatives on this forum. Reddit is your best bet. Please report back! Undecided

mega.bits2017

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I have the same situation, 3 transactions in ETH at very big volume, seems in bitfinex like complete, but in true money was lost
At etherscan tx transaction I see only this:
Sorry, We are unable to locate the Transaction entry

And most important, in this situation I don`t receive ANY answer from bitfinex 4 days! May be someone know what i can do?

giwon

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Quote from: squatter on August 07, 2017, 07:40:29 PM

Quote from: giwon on August 07, 2017, 07:29:12 PM

Hello, I need help.
I created the withdrawal request and it maybe complete. but, the tx is not found. I think something is wrong.
So, I created ticket 2days ago. But, i don't any response. The ticket # is #472576. please send any response to me.

They usually provide a TX ID in your withdrawal history. Did they? If not, what does your history say? If you have a TX ID, and feel comfortable posting it, please post it here.

If the withdrawal really is stuck: Make a post on Reddit at r/bitcoinmarkets. Cross-post it to r/bitcoin. Tag one of their reps in the post: https://www.reddit.com/user/bfx_brandon

I would also link to the post in a tweet sent to @bitfinex on Twitter, with hashtags #bitfinex and #bitcoin. The exchanges tend to be more responsive when complaints start being circulated on social media. Sad but true.

They gave me the tx id (0xb533c005436625fb3f7eb9e752c31300d69a794dc0516e858286abf6807937a7). But, I can't get any result on Etherscan.

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