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August 14, 2016, 05:15:24 AM
#35
Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.


That pretty much sums it up. +all the shills trying to mud the competing casino.
This thread just proves the attempts to bully people into doing what they want, well it won't work.

Twitchy, you would have much more credibility on the case if you would just post from your real account.
To speak as if it is fact that this is not his real account you should show evidence or else lose credibility yourself.
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August 14, 2016, 03:13:36 AM
#34
That pretty much sums it up. +all the shills trying to mud the competing casino.
This thread just proves the attempts to bully people into doing what they want, well it won't work.

Twitchy, you would have much more credibility on the case if you would just post from your real account.
And what, pray tell, do you think his "real account" is? I see that your main point against this is that people are trying to shill for competing casinos, to drive away Betcoin.ag. There are countless casinos out there. The exclusion of one would not be worth the time for "shills". Marketing for themselves would be more efficient than downplaying other casinos.

Countless ?! I'm talking about casinos that advertise here on forum, where betcoin is thorn in the eye of some campaigns.
I wont be guessing Twitchy's real account name, i would like for him to be honest and reveal it himself.

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August 13, 2016, 04:24:17 PM
#33
Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.


That pretty much sums it up. +all the shills trying to mud the competing casino.
This thread just proves the attempts to bully people into doing what they want, well it won't work.

Twitchy, you would have much more credibility on the case if you would just post from your real account.

You'd also have much more credibility on this case if you'd stop using ad-hominem attacks and actually address the issues at hand. But we all know that betcoin would rather steal money from users from 10/31 to 12/14(I'm aware that particular issue has been addressed, that's just an example.)
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August 13, 2016, 03:44:54 PM
#32
Ooo, he updated the neg feedback on me...

Because he hasn't provided any evidence or rationale to back up his claims, it's kind of hard to defend myself other than simply denying it.




TwitchySeal provides support for user "game-protect" <--False

to try and extort forum members. <--False

Posts out of context edited PMs <--- He may be referring to this post where I posted a summary of his accusations against me, and included a link to this thread.  Like I said before, the OP of this thread and follow up post include every single interaction I have ever had with OgNasty.  Absolutely nothing was taken out of context and I'll happily cooperate with anyone who is interested in verifying my claim.  If I was lying about this, it would be quite easy for OgNasty to prove me wrong. 

Uses alternate accounts to leave negative trust for members he disagrees with. <---False

Avoid interacting with this user. Sad
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August 13, 2016, 01:13:25 PM
#31
That pretty much sums it up. +all the shills trying to mud the competing casino.
This thread just proves the attempts to bully people into doing what they want, well it won't work.

Twitchy, you would have much more credibility on the case if you would just post from your real account.
And what, pray tell, do you think his "real account" is? I see that your main point against this is that people are trying to shill for competing casinos, to drive away Betcoin.ag. There are countless casinos out there. The exclusion of one would not be worth the time for "shills". Marketing for themselves would be more efficient than downplaying other casinos.
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August 13, 2016, 10:26:47 AM
#30
It's all unnecessarily convoluted but since Og is not going to respond here the only feasible option seems to be for Twitchy to step back and accept that OgNasty will see through his agreement with Betcoin for the current month. He did provide a logical explanation - even if not satisfactory to Twitchy - why he's not removing the sig right now (contractual obligation). After that if he doesn't add a neg trust clause and/or continues with Betcoin ads then Twitchy might have a point. Until then I just don't see any possible positive outcome from trying to escalate this further.
No. His explanation is not logical. Promises or contracts with publicly proven scams are never valid.

Not only they are not valid, but you are also obliged by criminal laws and civil right to withdraw from it as soon as you get aware of the scam. Just to clarify, criminal laws and civil right always stand above Terms of Service.

Therefore, if TOS are not in accordance with laws, then they are not valid! It is as simple as that...

Also, who is the user that threatened OgNasty?

Do you care about getting the ad removed or just playing a lawyer on the intertubes?
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August 13, 2016, 08:56:54 AM
#29
Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.


That pretty much sums it up. +all the shills trying to mud the competing casino.
This thread just proves the attempts to bully people into doing what they want, well it won't work.

Twitchy, you would have much more credibility on the case if you would just post from your real account.
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August 13, 2016, 08:54:01 AM
#28
Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.
You are quite bad at summarizing stuff.Please stay away from it.You don't seem to understand anything what's being discussed here,hence no sense out of your post is expected.

Sure. Whatever floats your boat mate  Grin

till when pointing out scam and trying to prevent it called greed and jealousy?
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August 13, 2016, 04:14:26 AM
#27
It's all unnecessarily convoluted but since Og is not going to respond here the only feasible option seems to be for Twitchy to step back and accept that OgNasty will see through his agreement with Betcoin for the current month. He did provide a logical explanation - even if not satisfactory to Twitchy - why he's not removing the sig right now (contractual obligation). After that if he doesn't add a neg trust clause and/or continues with Betcoin ads then Twitchy might have a point. Until then I just don't see any possible positive outcome from trying to escalate this further.
No. His explanation is not logical. Promises or contracts with publicly proven scams are never valid.

Not only they are not valid, but you are also obliged by criminal laws and civil right to withdraw from it as soon as you get aware of the scam. Just to clarify, criminal laws and civil right always stand above Terms of Service.

Therefore, if TOS are not in accordance with laws, then they are not valid! It is as simple as that...

Also, who is the user that threatened OgNasty?
legendary
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August 13, 2016, 02:59:10 AM
#26
Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.
You are quite bad at summarizing stuff.Please stay away from it.You don't seem to understand anything what's being discussed here,hence no sense out of your post is expected.

Sure. Whatever floats your boat mate  Grin
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August 13, 2016, 02:38:25 AM
#25
Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.
You are quite bad at summarizing stuff.Please stay away from it.You don't seem to understand anything what's being discussed here,hence no sense out of your post is expected.
legendary
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August 13, 2016, 02:34:49 AM
#24
just go to mountain and dig some potatoes to make your life be worthfull.
Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.
It seems like you really hate me and probably didn't read too much more than the first sentence of my OP.

These last two posts reminded of your first post in this thread, and the response from (likely) someones alt account that also seemed to be intentionally bad english.

-snip-
You all spend a lot of time mud-slinging at each other. You need to find a more productive pastime here on the forums.
OP, calm down, why OGNasty can't promote betcoin.ag? Because betcoin ban you? You talk about this everyday, looks like a loser, no offense, just working harder!

If you read the entire conversation, I think you'll find very little mud slinging and realize that I'm probably not doing this because I'm jealous of someones advertisement deal...
legendary
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August 13, 2016, 01:04:44 AM
#23
Please let me summarize what's going on here for people not having the time to read all this. Tl;dr:

Some guy got paid 1 BTC to essentially scratch his virtual balls for 1 month in advance.
Other people not scratching their virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month saw that guy was scratching his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month.
Greed and jealousy kicked in.
Heated debate followed about why this one guy is allowed to scratch his virtual balls for 1 BTC in 1 month and they can't.
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August 13, 2016, 12:33:24 AM
#22
So OGNasty is the new Master-P. Let me keep it that way...  Wink
Time will justify the statement.

Are you mad? Did Og scam someone to the tune of 25 BTC?

No doubt that there is clearly a substantial difference of opinion between two forum members - and even involving trust ratings, which I don't think is appropriate - but comparing this to an outright escrow scam is ludicrous.

Without being ignorant just look at the pms sent by OGNasty in OP. He seeks positive trust wherever possible and extorts and sends negative trust to users wh are against his opinion. This was the exact behaviour of Master-P. So yeah, I'm standing by my statement for now. You’ll get to know the rest in future...

Btw, I won't even trade with OGNasty without an escrow if ever I have to trade anything!

Anyone can advertise Betcoin.ag and no one can really dictate people to stop advertising anything here,

If twitchy and both of you cannot do nothing here and just troll betcoin.ag well get a life outside men you cannot be successfull on destroying their reputation. And just tell on who pay's both of you thay you are been failed to your mission.

Jasonort cased has been closed down or anything it is been fix by them. He is announced it clearly with his very own message.

And yet still both of you barking and barking for them.

Be openminded boys Just tell to your BOSS or who evers pays BOTH of you or maybe there are many of you who are paid troll that MISSION FAILED!!.

just go to mountain and dig some potatoes to make your life be worthfull.
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August 13, 2016, 12:10:54 AM
#21
So OGNasty is the new Master-P. Let me keep it that way...  Wink
Time will justify the statement.

Are you mad? Did Og scam someone to the tune of 25 BTC?

No doubt that there is clearly a substantial difference of opinion between two forum members - and even involving trust ratings, which I don't think is appropriate - but comparing this to an outright escrow scam is ludicrous.

Without being ignorant just look at the pms sent by OGNasty in OP. He seeks positive trust wherever possible and extorts and sends negative trust to users wh are against his opinion. This was the exact behaviour of Master-P. So yeah, I'm standing by my statement for now. You’ll get to know the rest in future...

Btw, I won't even trade with OGNasty without an escrow if ever I have to trade anything!
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August 12, 2016, 11:36:31 PM
#20
It's all unnecessarily convoluted but since Og is not going to respond here the only feasible option seems to be for Twitchy to step back and accept that OgNasty will see through his agreement with Betcoin for the current month. He did provide a logical explanation - even if not satisfactory to Twitchy - why he's not removing the sig right now (contractual obligation). After that if he doesn't add a neg trust clause and/or continues with Betcoin ads then Twitchy might have a point. Until then I just don't see any possible positive outcome from trying to escalate this further.
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August 12, 2016, 11:30:32 PM
#19
Edit: TBH I couldn't care less about the alt part. It looks like OgNasty offered a reasonable solution but somehow this still got escalated out of proportion:

You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?

If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot.  This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.

That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.
Regardless of this situation and how it played out, OgNasty should add a clause like that to their contract with advertisers.
If they are not ready to refund the advertisers and don't want to break their contract either, a rule like that is the only way to get out of being tied up in a month-long contract with a company you can't/won't advertise for.
Not just with betcoin, but also with any future advertising partners (imagine a company turning outright scam at the second of a month and you continuing to advertise them for 30 days without any reaction/comment).
Or he could just end every post with:

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August 12, 2016, 11:01:36 PM
#18
Twitchy, where does OgNasty say that GP is your alt? Looking at the PMs it seems you bring it up first, unless they're not in chronological order.

I wasn't online for a few days and came back on August 7th.

OgNasty sent me a pm on August 5th that only said "Remove It..." (it was the only pm from him)

Before I realized he had left me neg feedback, I responded
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Hi,
I've been traveling and honestly not sure what you're referring to.

Then I realized:

G-P left OgNasty this neg feedback on August 3rd:
Promotes the publicly proven betcoin.ag scam for his own financial benefit = criminal offense.
Betcoin.ag publicly make false and misleading statements in their "Terms of Service" section, has no juridical valid "legally binding agreement" and hide the name of the operator!
In case of embezzlement/fraud, you likely have no legal recourse.
 <----The only neg feedback of any kind OgN has received.

OgN left me this neg feedback on Aug 5th:
Provides support for user "game-protect" to try and extort forum members.

OgN also left G-P this neg feedback on the same day:
Useless alt of an addicted gambler. Ignore him and his blackmail front masquerading as a service.

I assumed OgN thought G-P was actually Me and his "Remove It..." pm was referring to the neg feedback he received from G-P and responded:

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Ok, I just saw your neg trust on my profile.
I am not games-protect.

Technically I was the first to "bring it up" but it was just an elephant in the room up till then.


It's also worth mentioning that the same day G-P left OgN his neg feedback, on another forum (twoplustwo) a longtime poster that I had literally never had any interaction with or recognized posted the following in the Betcoin thread: (bobbo is a mod)

Quote from: WichitaDM;50530553
Bobbo I don't know if you know this or not but you are arguing with TwitchySeal or his proxy who is a well known mentally ill malcontent.  I would recommend just ignoring him and/or banning him before this gets even worse.  Check bitcointalk if you don't believe me.

He hasn't posted in the thread since and has ignored a couple pms from me asking why he said what he did about me.  
(If anyone knows who he is here, let me know, I really just want to know the truth)


It's also worth mentioning my relationship with G-P.  Across 3 different forums we've exchanged maybe 4 pms ever.  I agree with a lot of what he says and consider him a valuable resource in fighting unethical casinos.  However, I am very wary about the services he offers on his website so at first I left him neutral trust warning people to use caution when considering his services. Over the past few weeks I've revised my feedback a few times.  Just keep changing my mind.
I added positive feedback thanking him for his efforts and the info he has made public about unethical casinos.
Then I felt bad about the neutral rep and removed it after seeing all the shit he was getting and also because it was partially based on someone else's opinion from another forum rather than facts.
Then I changed my mind again and was worried my trust would be interpreted as an endorsement for his website, which I am honestly unsure of, so I removed the positive trust and currently have only the following neutral trust:

Shares valuable info to help make it more difficult for online sites to get away with scummy behavior.
That being said, this is not a vouche for their site or services.


I want to be clear though, my feedback for G-P has literally nothing to do with OgNastys threats, pms or the feedback he left me.
I have no issue with why or how G-P went about dealing with OgN.  In fact It's very possible I will soon be leaving anyone who promotes Betcoin negative feedback.

I think it's pathetic and alarming the number of people who have no problem accepting money from Betcoin to advertise for them and then not only refuse to accept any responsibility whatsoever for their actions, they act as if they are the victims.  I think many actually believe it!:

 
Quote from: OgNasty
Take some responsibility and let other people be responsible for who they choose to gamble with.  I couldn't care less.  As far as I'm concerned all gambling sites are scams that prey on people's addictions.  Trying to say that I deserve negative feedback because of which scam won my auction is once again ridiculous.
wtf?^^^


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August 12, 2016, 10:19:23 PM
#17
I don't know a lot about the betcoin.ag scenario but if a member is still advertising a know scam site then they should remove that advertising asap.

I was once in a campaign that turned out to be a scam, crypto vpn i think it was and as soon as someone told me it was a scam and i confirmed it i took the signature down.
I can't be blammed if someone got scammed from the company i was advertising unless i continued to do so long after being made aware of the situation.
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August 12, 2016, 09:58:43 PM
#16
Twitchy, where does OgNasty say that GP is your alt? Looking at the PMs it seems you bring it up first, unless they're not in chronological order.
Read the quotes from game-protect. I'll assume they were both PMing him at around the same time, so he was convinced that they were the same user and accused him through game-protect's account.
They are time stamped, so no the PMs were not at the same time.

I am not sure of Twitchy's mindset when he was sending the PMs, however I think the rating that OgNasty left twitchy semi-implies that they are the same person. Twitchy's conversation with OgNasty seems to confirm this theory.

I have no idea if they are the same person or not, however I have not seen any evidence that they are the same person, credible or not. I think the service that game-protect is offering will not well, protect his customers, and I do not trust him.

I am curious to hear from OgNasty if the PMs are accurate and if anything is missing from the PMs. I think I would still trust OgNasty with decent amounts of money if the PMs are accurate and not missing any pernanent information, however I would also be very disappointed.

Edit:

Edit: TBH I couldn't care less about the alt part. It looks like OgNasty offered a reasonable solution but somehow this still got escalated out of proportion:

You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?

If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot.  This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.

That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.
Regardless of this situation and how it played out, OgNasty should add a clause like that to their contract with advertisers.
If they are not ready to refund the advertisers and don't want to break their contract either, a rule like that is the only way to get out of being tied up in a month-long contract with a company you can't/won't advertise for.
Not just with betcoin, but also with any future advertising partners (imagine a company turning outright scam at the second of a month and you continuing to advertise them for 30 days without any reaction/comment).
OgNasty was at least willing to implement this kind of clause/policy. OgNasty offered to remove the signature if twitchy paid 1 BTC, which I assume is the amount that he was receiving for the month.
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