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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: suchmoon on August 12, 2016, 09:41:08 PM

Edit: TBH I couldn't care less about the alt part. It looks like OgNasty offered a reasonable solution but somehow this still got escalated out of proportion:

Quote from: OgNasty on August 08, 2016, 08:42:43 AM

You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?

If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot. This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.

That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.

Regardless of this situation and how it played out, OgNasty should add a clause like that to their contract with advertisers.
If they are not ready to refund the advertisers and don't want to break their contract either, a rule like that is the only way to get out of being tied up in a month-long contract with a company you can't/won't advertise for.
Not just with betcoin, but also with any future advertising partners (imagine a company turning outright scam at the second of a month and you continuing to advertise them for 30 days without any reaction/comment).

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Quote from: DarkStar_ on August 12, 2016, 09:31:54 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on August 12, 2016, 09:23:12 PM

Twitchy, where does OgNasty say that GP is your alt? Looking at the PMs it seems you bring it up first, unless they're not in chronological order.

Read the quotes from game-protect. I'll assume they were both PMing him at around the same time, so he was convinced that they were the same user and accused him through game-protect's account.

So you're saying game-protect is indeed Twitchy's alt? How would Twitchy otherwise know what went down between those two in PMs? I'm talking about this PM:

Quote from: TwitchySeal on August 07, 2016, 06:09:20 PM

Ok, I just saw your neg trust on my profile.
I am not games-protect.

But the neg trust only says:

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Provides support for user "game-protect" to try and extort forum members.

Nothing about alts. That's like saying "Suchmoon helped an old lady to cross the street" and then I respond "I'm not an old lady". Doesn't quite follow.

Edit: TBH I couldn't care less about the alt part. It looks like OgNasty offered a reasonable solution but somehow this still got escalated out of proportion:

Quote from: OgNasty on August 08, 2016, 08:42:43 AM

Quote from: game-protect on August 05, 2016, 08:56:25 PM

Promises to promote a publicly proven scam are juridically not valid!

LOL, seek help for your criminal addiction Wink

I am ready for whatever fight...

Good luck!

You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?

If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot. This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.

That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.

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Quote from: suchmoon on August 12, 2016, 09:23:12 PM

Twitchy, where does OgNasty say that GP is your alt? Looking at the PMs it seems you bring it up first, unless they're not in chronological order.

Read the quotes from game-protect. I'll assume they were both PMing him at around the same time, so he was convinced that they were the same user and accused him through game-protect's account.

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Twitchy, where does OgNasty say that GP is your alt? Looking at the PMs it seems you bring it up first, unless they're not in chronological order.

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I've been holding off responding to give OgNasty a chance to comment. I guess that won't be happening from the last pm I received:

Quote from: OgNasty on August 12, 2016, 09:30:42 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on August 12, 2016, 09:26:53 PM

Hi,

Just wanted to make sure you were aware of this thread so that I won't incorrectly assume you are choosing not to respond.
I've been waiting to discuss my opinion for you to respond. I've tried to approach the situation as objectively and transparently as possible.

Also I would appreciate it if you let me know who or what led you to conclude that Games-Direct is my alt.
I think it's a safe assumption that you didn't reach this conclusion on your own, but I could be wrong I suppose.

Thanks,

TwitchySeal

I've wasted more than enough time responding to your extortion attempts. Welcome to my ignore/block list.

Wtf is happening here? This guy seemed like such a nice guy and super trusted till I asked him (politely) to not promote Betcoin in his signature.

He seems convinced that Games-Protect is my alt (which is not true) but will not explain why he thinks so.

He claims he thinks gambling and signature campaigns are evil but justifies his Betcoin Signature with:

Quote from: OgNasty

There's really nothing I can do about it at this point. I took their money to advertise for the month.
-snip-
not many people are willing to pay several hundred dollars for a signature ad.
-snip-

He has exactly 0 negative feedback sent ever except for these. :

How is that even possible to have so much trust and be around so long without a single neg trust - yet be so willing to pull the trigger in this case?

I'm honestly confused by his behavior. I have included every single interaction I've ever had with him in OP and now this post.

I think it's possible someone from Betcoin "warned" him about me and told him I was G-D and convinced him I'm just a super horrible person?

or

Maybe he's just really obsessive about not having any red trust on his profile and when G-P left it he just lost his mind with rage?

I don't know.

If any of his friends read this though, I'd appreciate if you're able to try and figure out wtf is really going on here.

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Quote from: cartell0 on August 12, 2016, 03:35:38 PM

So OGNasty is the new Master-P. Let me keep it that way... Wink

Time will justify the statement.

Are you mad? Did Og scam someone to the tune of 25 BTC?

No doubt that there is clearly a substantial difference of opinion between two forum members - and even involving trust ratings, which I don't think is appropriate - but comparing this to an outright escrow scam is ludicrous.

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So OGNasty is the new Master-P. Let me keep it that way... Wink

Time will justify the statement.

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Quote from: OgNasty on August 07, 2016, 10:44:51 PM

The user threatened to left me negative feedback unless I send funds back to the purchaser of my signature auction and remove the signature. That is extortion and I have 0 respect for people who try to bully me. -snip-

Who?

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OgNasty threatened me. Someone can see the original messages per Teamviewer if required:

Quote from: OgNasty on August 05, 2016, 06:39:50 PM

I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this. Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first.

Quote from: game-protect on August 05, 2016, 08:41:30 PM

What other account Huh

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Quote from: OgNasty on August 05, 2016, 06:47:00 PM

Here's the negative feedback I'll be returning to you tomorrow if you do not remove the unwarranted negative feedback immediately. I will be more harsh to alt accounts I discover linked to this account, as well as alerting the scam patrol and moderator staff to do the same. Please do the right thing and save us both the time and negative energy.

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Leaving negative feedback because of who purchased my advertising? Clearly this unstable individual and his service should be avoided.

Quote from: game-protect on August 05, 2016, 08:48:13 PM

Unwarranted?

I explained perfectly why betcoin.ag is a publicly proven scam. If you are unsure you can consult a lawyer.

If the criminal laws of your jurisdiction allow to promote a publicly proven scam for your own financial benefit, please quote them and I will remove my feedback and apologise.

I have enough time, money and energy to fight against criminals...

Best regards,

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Quote from: OgNasty on August 05, 2016, 08:49:17 PM

Quote from: game-protect on August 05, 2016, 08:41:30 PM

What other account Huh

I'm not going to dignify you with any further discussion. Tomorrow I will leave you negative feedback if you do not do the right thing. If you send me any other message besides apologize for leaving me negative trust because I fulfilled the promise of my signature auction then I will set your account to ignore. I'm not going to play games with you.. Good luck. Seek help for your gambling addiction. Nobody is to blame for your current situation but yourself.

Quote from: game-protect on August 05, 2016, 08:56:25 PM

Promises to promote a publicly proven scam are juridically not valid!

LOL, seek help for your criminal addiction Wink

I am ready for whatever fight...

Good luck!

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Quote from: OgNasty on August 08, 2016, 08:42:43 AM

Quote from: game-protect on August 05, 2016, 08:56:25 PM

Promises to promote a publicly proven scam are juridically not valid!

LOL, seek help for your criminal addiction Wink

I am ready for whatever fight...

Good luck!

You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?

If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot. This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.

That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on August 11, 2016, 10:25:24 AM

TwitchySeal has a point and he is really trying to bust the scam casinos,in this case,OGnasty is in a situation which is out of his control.Ditching a signature while he's paid for a month in advance would not only result in bad terms with the casino but affects his reputation overall

There should be a clause that allows the advertiser to discontinue displaying the signature at the advertisers discretion (primarily to be used in the case of scams). Typically this would involve giving a pro-rated refund.

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You clearly want me to stop advertising for them, so if you'd like to send me 1 BTC, I'll happily refund them and find a new advertiser.

That is the best solution out here.Not only for twitchy seal but anyone who wants the signature to be taken down right away.

That is ridiculous. Twitchy is not gaining anything of value if OgNasty removes the betcoin signature, and the signature would presumably not be replaced with something that twitchy wants to advertise. If someone is advertising what turns out to be a scam, then they should remove such advertisement, and if they are receiving an amount in line with market rates then there is no reason why they would not be able to find another company to advertise for that is willing to pay a similar rate.

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Obviously making a private conversation public in an attempt to discredit me further would result in more negative feedback.

That seems like a clear threat ,directly/indirectly!

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How about not giving trust to an alt account in order to attempt to extort me?

I'm sure I don't have to explain to OG Nasty how feedbacks work.Basically,they don't mean shit without the valid references,of course there are obvious exceptions!

TwitchySeal has a point and he is really trying to bust the scam casinos,in this case,OGnasty is in a situation which is out of his control.Ditching a signature while he's paid for a month in advance would not only result in bad terms with the casino but affects his reputation overall.The best solution on his end could be refunding the money back to Betcoin and discontinuing the signature.Since he doesn't have any problems with the casino or maybe he shouldn't be suffering loses of the result which came out later,he can surely ask for people who seem to have problem with his signature to cover up for his loses.

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You clearly want me to stop advertising for them, so if you'd like to send me 1 BTC, I'll happily refund them and find a new advertiser.

That is the best solution out here.Not only for twitchy seal but anyone who wants the signature to be taken down right away.

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Quote from: damnMscollec on August 11, 2016, 01:35:35 AM

OP, calm down, why OGNasty can't promote betcoin.ag? Because betcoin ban you?

It's not a question of whether OgNasty can promote Betcoin; anyone can. It's a question of whether he should.
What with Betcoin's history being dodgy at best it can very easily give people (especially newer members) a skewed impression of a company's trust and ethics should someone as trusted as OgNasty advertise for them - especially so whilst using words such as "The most trusted Bitcoin and Litecoin Casino".

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Quote from: Wendigo on August 11, 2016, 01:27:15 AM

You all spend a lot of time mud-slinging at each other. You need to find a more productive pastime here on the forums.

By the way I am the only one not wearing a fucking signature. The irony Grin

I don't wear either, lol Cheesy

OP, calm down, why OGNasty can't promote betcoin.ag? Because betcoin ban you? You talk about this everyday, looks like a loser, no offense, just working harder!

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You all spend a lot of time mud-slinging at each other. You need to find a more productive pastime here on the forums.

By the way I am the only one not wearing a fucking signature. The irony Grin

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