There was a little buzz going to the fight because there were no trash talks both, fighters were civil to each other but it became controversial because of the supposed and debated punch by Dubois, The boxing community is divided on this issue.
Usyk's future opponents will target his body because he was exposed by Dubois and the opposing camp will have to check Usyk's protective belt because many thought in Dubois's fight that Usyk's protective belt was placed too high.
Overall it was a good fight We got what we expected both fighters came to fight, It's controversial but it invites a lot of discussion.
I'm locking this thread who knows maybe they meet again in the future if that happens there will be a lot of adjustments in both camps.
Topic: Oleksandr Usyk VS Daniel Dubois For The Undisputed heavyweight champion (Read 392 times)
August 28, 2023, 07:12:04 PM
August 28, 2023, 03:58:00 PM
I don’t think it was a low blow. The rules state anything at the navel or above is a legal shot & I believe it was. It was a legitimate body shot, Usyk was hurt and faked a low blow. It’s gamesmanship, borderline cheating but it is what it is. Winners will do whatever they can to win.
Dubois was effectively robbed of a win and a place as a world champion. The fight just further convinces me that Usyk is a cruiserweight fighting at heavyweight. Tyson Fury is going to destroy him when they meet.
Dubois was effectively robbed of a win and a place as a world champion. The fight just further convinces me that Usyk is a cruiserweight fighting at heavyweight. Tyson Fury is going to destroy him when they meet.
https://youtu.be/a85RLi8XMmE?si=Lgj6x0Luq4eiFSZc
Here is a video where Usyk shows where his navel is.
https://streamable.com/naf2mz
Here is the video of the blow. It seems obvious to me that the blow hits the area where the abdominal muscles already narrow into the groin area and this is exactly below the navel.
In general, it is rather strange to talk about a robbery when one of the boxers was completely declassed and lost by knockout, based on one dirty blow.
We’ll agree to disagree, not a low blow imo.
https://youtube.com/shorts/kVsPTjpEHqI?si=G9wZqUkK2wN6_YDb
August 28, 2023, 03:52:20 PM
Definitely one of the best fights in the recent months, despite that controversy. IMO a judge's mistake should be re-watched during the rest of the fight and used to change points before the end of the game. I can't believe in a fight of this level they were able to let it slip.
Congratulations to Usyk because he was fighting well, but could've at least lost points in that knockdown if not for the judge's mistake. Maybe they were trying to be more compassionate towards Ukraine's current situation and ready to let some mistakes slip? Who knows...
Congratulations to Usyk because he was fighting well, but could've at least lost points in that knockdown if not for the judge's mistake. Maybe they were trying to be more compassionate towards Ukraine's current situation and ready to let some mistakes slip? Who knows...
August 28, 2023, 03:42:36 PM
I don’t think it was a low blow. The rules state anything at the navel or above is a legal shot & I believe it was. It was a legitimate body shot, Usyk was hurt and faked a low blow. It’s gamesmanship, borderline cheating but it is what it is. Winners will do whatever they can to win.
Dubois was effectively robbed of a win and a place as a world champion. The fight just further convinces me that Usyk is a cruiserweight fighting at heavyweight. Tyson Fury is going to destroy him when they meet.
Dubois was effectively robbed of a win and a place as a world champion. The fight just further convinces me that Usyk is a cruiserweight fighting at heavyweight. Tyson Fury is going to destroy him when they meet.
https://youtu.be/a85RLi8XMmE?si=Lgj6x0Luq4eiFSZc
Here is a video where Usyk shows where his navel is.
https://streamable.com/naf2mz
Here is the video of the blow. It seems obvious to me that the blow hits the area where the abdominal muscles already narrow into the groin area and this is exactly below the navel.
In general, it is rather strange to talk about a robbery when one of the boxers was completely declassed and lost by knockout, based on one dirty blow.
With how things went on this match, we can expect that Dubois' camp may ask for a re-match with Usyk.
This controversy won't just die down without getting a solid confirmation that Usyk really wins over Dubois.
Some individuals like Frank Warren (English promoter) are even calling this match as a "no contest" and ask for a rematch.
But with such controversy, this will be a good marketing propaganda to gain high interest from the boxing fans.
They can even earn huge purse split if they will make their re-match happen and capitalize this major controversy.
Let us see how both camps will react on this matter and if they are up to this request from the community.
August 28, 2023, 01:11:55 PM
I don’t think it was a low blow. The rules state anything at the navel or above is a legal shot & I believe it was. It was a legitimate body shot, Usyk was hurt and faked a low blow. It’s gamesmanship, borderline cheating but it is what it is. Winners will do whatever they can to win.
Dubois was effectively robbed of a win and a place as a world champion. The fight just further convinces me that Usyk is a cruiserweight fighting at heavyweight. Tyson Fury is going to destroy him when they meet.
Dubois was effectively robbed of a win and a place as a world champion. The fight just further convinces me that Usyk is a cruiserweight fighting at heavyweight. Tyson Fury is going to destroy him when they meet.
https://youtu.be/a85RLi8XMmE?si=Lgj6x0Luq4eiFSZc
Here is a video where Usyk shows where his navel is.
https://streamable.com/naf2mz
Here is the video of the blow. It seems obvious to me that the blow hits the area where the abdominal muscles already narrow into the groin area and this is exactly below the navel.
In general, it is rather strange to talk about a robbery when one of the boxers was completely declassed and lost by knockout, based on one dirty blow.
August 28, 2023, 11:49:14 AM
I don’t think it was a low blow. The rules state anything at the navel or above is a legal shot & I believe it was. It was a legitimate body shot, Usyk was hurt and faked a low blow. It’s gamesmanship, borderline cheating but it is what it is. Winners will do whatever they can to win.
Dubois was effectively robbed of a win and a place as a world champion. The fight just further convinces me that Usyk is a cruiserweight fighting at heavyweight. Tyson Fury is going to destroy him when they meet.
Dubois was effectively robbed of a win and a place as a world champion. The fight just further convinces me that Usyk is a cruiserweight fighting at heavyweight. Tyson Fury is going to destroy him when they meet.
August 28, 2023, 11:11:07 AM
However, this wasnt an impressive win. Usyk should crack such nuts as Dubois easily. Insteas he let everyone to feel questionable about his supremacy after a knockdown from Dubois. Like Ive said, even that Dubois lost, he has made a good overall impression, showed everyone who he is. And he is still young for heavyweights. If Usyk felt lots of pain after that Dubois strike, how did he planned to survive against Fury? Fury would be faster, stronger and experienced.
We are all left speculating whether can Usyk get up from that body punch if the referee counted here is his answer if the referee happens to count
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Do you believe that Usyk can still get up after that body punch or he is just acting when he lies on the floor, judging from his face he is really hurt but he may he get up because of the chants of his fellow Ukrainian.
It's not a liver punch where you are rendered motionless and cannot breathe but since this is a stomach punch there is a chance that he can get up, Added to the debate is can he still get up with that punch.
August 28, 2023, 10:47:21 AM
However, this wasnt an impressive win. Usyk should crack such nuts as Dubois easily. Insteas he let everyone to feel questionable about his supremacy after a knockdown from Dubois. Like Ive said, even that Dubois lost, he has made a good overall impression, showed everyone who he is. And he is still young for heavyweights. If Usyk felt lots of pain after that Dubois strike, how did he planned to survive against Fury? Fury would be faster, stronger and experienced.
August 27, 2023, 04:18:52 PM
Dubois' team going to appeal that low blow but it is also unlikely that they would win there. It's quite controversial for sure as it kind of hit the cup and the belt from the best angle I've seen so far https://streamable.com/naf2mz It's in slowmo and zoomed so easier to pause at the point of contact.
Many people write that the punch was according to the rules, because if the belt from the underpants covers the belly button of the athlete, then you can hit on the belt on which Dubois hit. On the video you can see that the blow was on the waist, and not below (although from Usyk's reaction you can't say so), so the blow was made according to the rules and it was possible to open the report. Although Usyk probably would have gotten up faster and there would have been no victory, but still Dubois had a bad feeling after this match. Nevertheless, Usyk would have won on points and probably he would have deserved the final victory.
All punches below the navel are illegal. Given the fact that the area of the boxing glove is quite large, I do not see what can be argued about. For some reason, I remember blows to the liver that led to a knockdown (for example, Gasiev knocked down Povetkin with such a blow), but I don’t remember a single blow to the press that would lead to such consequences - if something like that happened, it was below the belt . It's good that Usyk completely declassed Dubois and naturally knocked him out. This is an undeniable victory, and all the talk about referee error in my opinion is just the opinion of the haters.
August 27, 2023, 01:25:37 PM
Dubois' team going to appeal that low blow but it is also unlikely that they would win there. It's quite controversial for sure as it kind of hit the cup and the belt from the best angle I've seen so far https://streamable.com/naf2mz It's in slowmo and zoomed so easier to pause at the point of contact.
Many people write that the punch was according to the rules, because if the belt from the underpants covers the belly button of the athlete, then you can hit on the belt on which Dubois hit. On the video you can see that the blow was on the waist, and not below (although from Usyk's reaction you can't say so), so the blow was made according to the rules and it was possible to open the report. Although Usyk probably would have gotten up faster and there would have been no victory, but still Dubois had a bad feeling after this match. Nevertheless, Usyk would have won on points and probably he would have deserved the final victory.
August 27, 2023, 12:17:17 PM
Dubois' team going to appeal that low blow but it is also unlikely that they would win there. It's quite controversial for sure as it kind of hit the cup and the belt from the best angle I've seen so far https://streamable.com/naf2mz It's in slowmo and zoomed so easier to pause at the point of contact.
It has the best angle so far with over 65000 views, This has become a very popular topic in the boxing community and it divides the community, They may not win the appeal but they have to make a stand that the referee made a grave error ruling it a low blow when it's not, the referee cannot argue about the angle because it happens in front of him.
I would like to read the referee's opinion on his decision I'm sure he will defend it but let's see how he will defend it if he talks about this issue
August 27, 2023, 11:06:23 AM
Dubois' team going to appeal that low blow but it is also unlikely that they would win there. It's quite controversial for sure as it kind of hit the cup and the belt from the best angle I've seen so far https://streamable.com/naf2mz It's in slowmo and zoomed so easier to pause at the point of contact.
August 27, 2023, 09:27:21 AM
On the other hard, IBF already mandated a fight with Filip Hrgovic as Usyk's mandatory. So let's see what will be the next move of Usyk as it is been speculated that he will fight Tyson Fury next for unification at HW.
And the blame here should be with referee Luis Pabon. Because as per Usyk, there is no controversy whatsoever, he won by knockout in his mind.
The fight is indeed controversial but since Usyk is holding multiple titles I doubt that all the boxing organizations will agree to a rematch, especially now that Usyk has a mandatory challenger in Hrgovic, Even if Usyk wants Fury next he should have to dispose of Hrgovic first.
I never expected the fight to end like this I know that Dubois is a hard puncher and can pull out an upset but not something like this, I feel the referee was pressured because the fight is on Usyk's territory his decision could have been different if it held in a neutral ground.
I think though if the fight is going to be Fury, then unforunately for Filip Hrgovic he could be bypass by the organizations. We all know how corrupt this bodies is, so for sure they can do that as they have been doing this for years. Like Spence who had a mandatory fight, but they skip it so that they can set up a unification fight with Crawford.
But if by any chance the Fury fight didn't materialized, then he can still go back and fight his mandatory in Filip Hrgovic. So we will see how everything holds right now, I'm thinking though that if Fury won his bout as well, we will see them clash December or early next year for their own version of unification.
August 27, 2023, 09:05:00 AM
On the other hard, IBF already mandated a fight with Filip Hrgovic as Usyk's mandatory. So let's see what will be the next move of Usyk as it is been speculated that he will fight Tyson Fury next for unification at HW.
And the blame here should be with referee Luis Pabon. Because as per Usyk, there is no controversy whatsoever, he won by knockout in his mind.
The fight is indeed controversial but since Usyk is holding multiple titles I doubt that all the boxing organizations will agree to a rematch, especially now that Usyk has a mandatory challenger in Hrgovic, Even if Usyk wants Fury next he should have to dispose of Hrgovic first.
I never expected the fight to end like this I know that Dubois is a hard puncher and can pull out an upset but not something like this, I feel the referee was pressured because the fight is on Usyk's territory his decision could have been different if it held in a neutral ground.
August 27, 2023, 08:01:08 AM
Dubois's punch in the 5th round has become very controversial some say that it is an illegal punch or a low blow but the majority of boxers, and expert trainers think it's a legal punch and there was a robbery.
CHAMPIONS React to Oleksandr Usyk LOW BLOW or Clean BodyShot K.O. & Referee ROBBING Daniel Dubois
The referee of this match is Luis Pabon https://boxrec.com/en/referee/401173 who happens to be a referee of 548 bouts if there is a rematch ordered by the boxing organizations then we can conclude that it's a legal punch that needs to be corrected but if there is an order from the boxing organizations then everybody can move forward.
For the record, it was not Usyk's fault it was the referee's judgment if the punch was deemed legal by the experts.
I just wonder if there will be a protest if the referee rules it as a legal punch and because of this Usyk lost all his titles There could be pandemonium in the venue.
CHAMPIONS React to Oleksandr Usyk LOW BLOW or Clean BodyShot K.O. & Referee ROBBING Daniel Dubois
The referee of this match is Luis Pabon https://boxrec.com/en/referee/401173 who happens to be a referee of 548 bouts if there is a rematch ordered by the boxing organizations then we can conclude that it's a legal punch that needs to be corrected but if there is an order from the boxing organizations then everybody can move forward.
For the record, it was not Usyk's fault it was the referee's judgment if the punch was deemed legal by the experts.
I just wonder if there will be a protest if the referee rules it as a legal punch and because of this Usyk lost all his titles There could be pandemonium in the venue.
In the post fight interview, Dubois is calling for a rematch. I think that is the best thing he can do right now, but not sure if there is such one in their contract. But in any case if he doesn't and Usyk says no to a rematch, then he can't do anything.
On the other hard, IBF already mandated a fight with Filip Hrgovic as Usyk's mandatory. So let's see what will be the next move of Usyk as it is been speculated that he will fight Tyson Fury next for unification at HW.
And the blame here should be with referee Luis Pabon. Because as per Usyk, there is no controversy whatsoever, he won by knockout in his mind.
August 27, 2023, 07:46:03 AM
Dubois's punch in the 5th round has become very controversial some say that it is an illegal punch or a low blow but the majority of boxers, and expert trainers think it's a legal punch and there was a robbery.
CHAMPIONS React to Oleksandr Usyk LOW BLOW or Clean BodyShot K.O. & Referee ROBBING Daniel Dubois
The referee of this match is Luis Pabon https://boxrec.com/en/referee/401173 who happens to be a referee of 548 bouts if there is a rematch ordered by the boxing organizations then we can conclude that it's a legal punch that needs to be corrected but if there is an order from the boxing organizations then everybody can move forward.
For the record, it was not Usyk's fault it was the referee's judgment if the punch was deemed legal by the experts.
I just wonder if there will be a protest if the referee rules it as a legal punch and because of this Usyk lost all his titles There could be pandemonium in the venue.
CHAMPIONS React to Oleksandr Usyk LOW BLOW or Clean BodyShot K.O. & Referee ROBBING Daniel Dubois
The referee of this match is Luis Pabon https://boxrec.com/en/referee/401173 who happens to be a referee of 548 bouts if there is a rematch ordered by the boxing organizations then we can conclude that it's a legal punch that needs to be corrected but if there is an order from the boxing organizations then everybody can move forward.
For the record, it was not Usyk's fault it was the referee's judgment if the punch was deemed legal by the experts.
I just wonder if there will be a protest if the referee rules it as a legal punch and because of this Usyk lost all his titles There could be pandemonium in the venue.
August 27, 2023, 06:56:22 AM
I voted for Daniel Dubois after the fight by knockout as a protest against this crime in this very corrupt sport of boxing hehehe. In my own mind, Usyk is presently not the champion anymore. Similar to what I have been telling everyone before, much of these boxing events have become something similar to scamcoin ICOs where the issuer hypes and then dumps his tokens on his own community. This is a scam. Boxing promoters are taking your money by promoting these low quality fights and they have already paid the judges and the referee to make sure they know the winner.
It was manipulated.
Before this fight, there is a hype on the Internet. There are cool videos made by professional editors, which resemble the plot of a Hollywood movie about how fighters prepare for battle. It looks like it's the last fight of their lives. I watched such a video about the battle between Oleksandr Usyk and Daniel Dubois for 40 minutes. And they made such a buzz that even I wanted to watch this fight.It was manipulated.
I had similar thoughts that the fights could be rigged. But I estimate the probability of this as low, but this idea can't be discarded. In fact, in boxing, making a fake fight is much easier than in the UFC. In the modern world of deceit and big money, this is not so difficult to do. But let's remember what the odds were before the fight. There was a very small coefficient for Usyk's victory and they wouldn't have been able to earn much on such a fight. A lot of money is made on sensations and if Dubois won, then the probability of a rigged match would be high.
August 27, 2023, 06:12:35 AM
The body punch happens right in front of the referee and yet he rules it as a low blow, The referee has a problem with his eyes it's clearly landed in the belt which is still considered a legal blow, if it landed below the belt which is the rule then it's an illegal blow.
I don't think Usyk can get up with that kind of punch its clear that he is gasping for air because it's a solid punch in the midsection its a clear robbery perpetrated by the referee Larry Fabon.
https://youtu.be/KObdZ8UUCM8?si=4T6Zkn3XYnDPA7Qs&t=523
I don't think Usyk can get up with that kind of punch its clear that he is gasping for air because it's a solid punch in the midsection its a clear robbery perpetrated by the referee Larry Fabon.
https://youtu.be/KObdZ8UUCM8?si=4T6Zkn3XYnDPA7Qs&t=523
Yes, it seems to be in the line, and should not be treated as below the belt. And with that, it's very clear that Usyk will have to win this fight even if the referee needs to do something in his favour and that's what exactly happened in this fight.
He should at least let the fight go and count Usyk in the floor for 8 counts. And if he can get up then Dubois could have been the winner. Nevertheless, Usyk recovered because he was given a full 5 minutes to recover and then Dubois wasn't able to do anything about that as Usyk takes over with his jab and right hand and score a knockout win.
August 27, 2023, 02:43:53 AM
The body punch happens right in front of the referee and yet he rules it as a low blow, The referee has a problem with his eyes it's clearly landed in the belt which is still considered a legal blow, if it landed below the belt which is the rule then it's an illegal blow.
I don't think Usyk can get up with that kind of punch its clear that he is gasping for air because it's a solid punch in the midsection its a clear robbery perpetrated by the referee Larry Fabon.
https://youtu.be/KObdZ8UUCM8?si=4T6Zkn3XYnDPA7Qs&t=523
I don't think Usyk can get up with that kind of punch its clear that he is gasping for air because it's a solid punch in the midsection its a clear robbery perpetrated by the referee Larry Fabon.
https://youtu.be/KObdZ8UUCM8?si=4T6Zkn3XYnDPA7Qs&t=523
With the whole match being fought in Poland it was already quite favoured for Usyk and now this controversy with the low blow really made it feel not right. Dubois was the weaker boxer on the day, but still this shouldn't have been counted as a low blow. Everybody could see it touched the belt, but not went below it. It might be hard to see it in detail right at the moment, but there are so many cameras watching the fight that it shouldn't be a dispute. And now it’s just back to smack talking between the two boxers. A rematch seems unlikely at the moment and they question is also what would change with that. It's one thing to land a fight ending blow during the first match, and something completely different to go down in the 9th round. To me it seems questionable after yesterday that Dubois would win the rematch.
August 27, 2023, 01:39:07 AM
The body punch happens right in front of the referee and yet he rules it as a low blow, The referee has a problem with his eyes it's clearly landed in the belt which is still considered a legal blow, if it landed below the belt which is the rule then it's an illegal blow.
I don't think Usyk can get up with that kind of punch its clear that he is gasping for air because it's a solid punch in the midsection its a clear robbery perpetrated by the referee Larry Fabon.
https://youtu.be/KObdZ8UUCM8?si=4T6Zkn3XYnDPA7Qs&t=523
I don't think Usyk can get up with that kind of punch its clear that he is gasping for air because it's a solid punch in the midsection its a clear robbery perpetrated by the referee Larry Fabon.
https://youtu.be/KObdZ8UUCM8?si=4T6Zkn3XYnDPA7Qs&t=523
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