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Quote from: Distinctin on August 23, 2023, 10:10:05 AM

I agree, he needs to start strong and hurt Usyk if he wants to win the fight. Undoubtedly, he has the power, as 18 of his 19 wins came from KO. If we convert that to a ratio, it's a 95% KO rate. However, bookies will not offer very attractive odds if they believe Usyk will lose. This creates a puzzle for us bettors because bookies are smarter than us; they set odds based on the likelihood of winning.

It's more on logic if Usyk beats Joshua who is also a hard puncher with a good also a good knockout percentage then they figure that Usyk can withstand Dubois' power, and of course, it helps that the fight will be held in Poland where there are many Ukrainian migrated, so it Usyk is fighting in his hometown and Dubois has no prior experience where he fought on enemy territories.

Dubois is facing a big challenge, I hope Dubois's leg is okay now he suffered three knockdowns because of his leg cramps in round one but managed to comeback to knock out Lerena

Here's a video of that fight :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ7MCCgf8NA

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If Usyk wins here he should face Tyson next so the heavyweight belts should be consolidated so we'll have one undisputed champion.

If only Fury wont retire after a big juicy check after Ngannou fight Cheesy

Fury mentioned here and there that he is about to put gloves on the wall.

It could be a trick, there's a lot of unfinished business, he still hasn't united all the belts, and his countryman is asking for an all-British showdown if Ngannou beats him or the match is a draw I'm sure he will opt for a rematch, id he finish all of these with success then he will go down in history as the greatest heavyweight champion and the great British heavyweight champion and even if he retires after the Ngannou fight, a lot of people will call him out to get out of retirement.

Fury as an undefeated heavyweight champion will always get a challenge, he will not enjoy his retirement because there are so many tasks that need to be done, he is not getting any younger if he finishes all these tasks, then he can retire without thinking that he has not done what he needs to do when he was still active.

Indeed Fury has unfinished businesses, but wont Usyk earlier this year offered him a fight? Right after Fury TKOed Chisora, Usyk stepped in the ring. I remember there were announced two possible reasons - they did not find agreement in payment, and Usyk wanted a rematch clause in contract, while Fury didnt.

I am not sure Fury is 100% focused in boxing right now. All that drinking issues, a fight against Ngannou, now on Netflix tv show about Fury is aired. It looks he is only about money, but not gaining all the belts.

If I'm not mistaken, Usyk camp says that Fury and his team are offering a not so good paycheck for them and that's why the fight didn't progress at all. Yes, he step up in the ring and Fury was shouting but Usyk just stand their stoic and with no emotions as well, and yet he looks very scary when he confronted Tyson Fury.

So let's see here, both seems to have a tune up fight, here Usyk against Dubois and then we will have Fury against Francis N. next.

And if both of them wins then we will see as Eddie Hearn says, might be in Saudi Arabia for their fight.

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If Usyk wins here he should face Tyson next so the heavyweight belts should be consolidated so we'll have one undisputed champion.

If only Fury wont retire after a big juicy check after Ngannou fight Cheesy

Fury mentioned here and there that he is about to put gloves on the wall.

It could be a trick, there's a lot of unfinished business, he still hasn't united all the belts, and his countryman is asking for an all-British showdown if Ngannou beats him or the match is a draw I'm sure he will opt for a rematch, id he finish all of these with success then he will go down in history as the greatest heavyweight champion and the great British heavyweight champion and even if he retires after the Ngannou fight, a lot of people will call him out to get out of retirement.

Fury as an undefeated heavyweight champion will always get a challenge, he will not enjoy his retirement because there are so many tasks that need to be done, he is not getting any younger if he finishes all these tasks, then he can retire without thinking that he has not done what he needs to do when he was still active.

Indeed Fury has unfinished businesses, but wont Usyk earlier this year offered him a fight? Right after Fury TKOed Chisora, Usyk stepped in the ring. I remember there were announced two possible reasons - they did not find agreement in payment, and Usyk wanted a rematch clause in contract, while Fury didnt.

I am not sure Fury is 100% focused in boxing right now. All that drinking issues, a fight against Ngannou, now on Netflix tv show about Fury is aired. It looks he is only about money, but not gaining all the belts.

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Quote from: Questat on August 23, 2023, 08:32:53 AM

Judging by the betting odds, this appears to be a total mismatch. I won't be expecting much from Dubois, as I see it as another easy fight for Usyk. Just think about it: if those odds are accurate, betting $100 on Dubois could win you $700. It's insane and likely attractive to those who believe Dubois will pull off an upset.

Very attractive indeed I'm sure many will take the risk to bet on Dubois, Dubois only chance to beat Usyk is to impose his power in the early rounds, Usyk is just too good in the latter rounds he is a very technical fighter, but even the best technical boxers will thrown out in his game if he gets hurt by Dubois power

Check out Dubois' power here, if he caught Usyk, Dubois would pour in on him

The Heavyweight Monster | Daniel Dubois | All Knockouts

I agree, he needs to start strong and hurt Usyk if he wants to win the fight. Undoubtedly, he has the power, as 18 of his 19 wins came from KO. If we convert that to a ratio, it's a 95% KO rate. However, bookies will not offer very attractive odds if they believe Usyk will lose. This creates a puzzle for us bettors because bookies are smarter than us; they set odds based on the likelihood of winning.

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Quote from: Questat on August 23, 2023, 08:32:53 AM

Judging by the betting odds, this appears to be a total mismatch. I won't be expecting much from Dubois, as I see it as another easy fight for Usyk. Just think about it: if those odds are accurate, betting $100 on Dubois could win you $700. It's insane and likely attractive to those who believe Dubois will pull off an upset.

Very attractive indeed I'm sure many will take the risk to bet on Dubois, Dubois only chance to beat Usyk is to impose his power in the early rounds, Usyk is just too good in the latter rounds he is a very technical fighter, but even the best technical boxers will thrown out in his game if he gets hurt by Dubois power

Check out Dubois' power here, if he caught Usyk, Dubois would pour in on him

The Heavyweight Monster | Daniel Dubois | All Knockouts

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on August 23, 2023, 07:51:30 AM

Usyk needs to win this fight, as there's a rumor that he's up for a big match against Fury in Saudi Arabia. Based on the records, there's only a small disparity, but in terms of the quality of the fight, I see Usyk having the advantage here, as he has beaten AJ twice, who is one of the best in the heavyweight division.

Daniel Dubois, on the other hand, is not undefeated; he suffered a loss against Joe Joyce through KO. So, I wouldn't be surprised if Usyk manages to KO him.

As the betting odds suggest, this is a sure win for Usyk.

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Fighter   Odds
Daniel Dubois   +700
Oleksandr Usyk   -1250

https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/usyk-vs-dubois-odds-betting-picks

Judging by the betting odds, this appears to be a total mismatch. I won't be expecting much from Dubois, as I see it as another easy fight for Usyk. Just think about it: if those odds are accurate, betting $100 on Dubois could win you $700. It's insane and likely attractive to those who believe Dubois will pull off an upset.

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Usyk needs to win this fight, as there's a rumor that he's up for a big match against Fury in Saudi Arabia. Based on the records, there's only a small disparity, but in terms of the quality of the fight, I see Usyk having the advantage here, as he has beaten AJ twice, who is one of the best in the heavyweight division.

Daniel Dubois, on the other hand, is not undefeated; he suffered a loss against Joe Joyce through KO. So, I wouldn't be surprised if Usyk manages to KO him.

As the betting odds suggest, this is a sure win for Usyk.

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Fighter   Odds
Daniel Dubois   +700
Oleksandr Usyk   -1250

https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/usyk-vs-dubois-odds-betting-picks

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 23, 2023, 04:56:45 AM

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If Usyk wins here he should face Tyson next so the heavyweight belts should be consolidated so we'll have one undisputed champion.

If only Fury wont retire after a big juicy check after Ngannou fight Cheesy

Fury mentioned here and there that he is about to put gloves on the wall.

It could be a trick, there's a lot of unfinished business, he still hasn't united all the belts, and his countryman is asking for an all-British showdown if Ngannou beats him or the match is a draw I'm sure he will opt for a rematch, id he finish all of these with success then he will go down in history as the greatest heavyweight champion and the great British heavyweight champion and even if he retires after the Ngannou fight, a lot of people will call him out to get out of retirement.

Fury as an undefeated heavyweight champion will always get a challenge, he will not enjoy his retirement because there are so many tasks that need to be done, he is not getting any younger if he finishes all these tasks, then he can retire without thinking that he has not done what he needs to do when he was still active.

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Although Dubois has a very good record, but it seems this will be an easy fight for Usyk because Dubois name isn't included in the top 10 The Ring and in the top 9 BoxRec. Dubois was lose against Joy Joyce, Joyce has a name in heavyweight boxing division, it's obvious Usyk is tougher than Joyce. Even though Usyk's last four fights aren't won via KO, I think this time he might win via KO.

I think this is just a warm-up fight for Usyk since it seems they cannot find a good fighter to fight him this time and in order not to rust, he needs some tune-up fight until they can find someone who will take him to another big stage once again. I have not heard of him for a while now I thought he wasn't going to a fight until I saw this post, that is just one indication that this kind of fight is not that important and they didn't hype this because obviously, the profit is not much.

Yes, most likely a tune up fight for Usyk here, however, I would put Dubois out though, he has a punchers chance as this is the heavyweight division. But the thing with Usyk is that he is very technical and moves a lot with his feet.

And this might frustrate Dubois, as we is more of a flat footed boxer and might have a difficult time staying with the movement of Usyk and then that sneaky left hand. So it's more of a problem for Dubois on how to upset Usyk in this fight.

The bookmakers have a huge preference for Usyk, but I wouldn't be so sure about that. Despite the fact that Usyk said in a recent interview: "I'm 36 years old, but this is just the beginning." I fear most of all for his age, he is 11 years older than his opponent. At this age, it is quite dangerous to go against knockers, which is Daniel Dubois. They can go round after round for Usyk's leadership, but in seconds everything will change, e.g. explosive attack and pinching in the corner of ring and subsequent knockout.
In any case, a very interesting fighting evening awaits us.

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Although Dubois has a very good record, but it seems this will be an easy fight for Usyk because Dubois name isn't included in the top 10 The Ring and in the top 9 BoxRec. Dubois was lose against Joy Joyce, Joyce has a name in heavyweight boxing division, it's obvious Usyk is tougher than Joyce. Even though Usyk's last four fights aren't won via KO, I think this time he might win via KO.

I think this is just a warm-up fight for Usyk since it seems they cannot find a good fighter to fight him this time and in order not to rust, he needs some tune-up fight until they can find someone who will take him to another big stage once again. I have not heard of him for a while now I thought he wasn't going to a fight until I saw this post, that is just one indication that this kind of fight is not that important and they didn't hype this because obviously, the profit is not much.

Yes, most likely a tune up fight for Usyk here, however, I would put Dubois out though, he has a punchers chance as this is the heavyweight division. But the thing with Usyk is that he is very technical and moves a lot with his feet.

And this might frustrate Dubois, as we is more of a flat footed boxer and might have a difficult time staying with the movement of Usyk and then that sneaky left hand. So it's more of a problem for Dubois on how to upset Usyk in this fight.

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Quote from: coin-investor on August 23, 2023, 04:42:50 AM

If Usyk wins here he should face Tyson next so the heavyweight belts should be consolidated so we'll have one undisputed champion.

If only Fury wont retire after a big juicy check after Ngannou fight Cheesy

Fury mentioned here and there that he is about to put gloves on the wall.

And for Dubois, knockout it is not best, but only single chance to win. Heavyweight division is famous for lucky punches more than any other division. Don Charles trains Dubois, he is a coach of Dereck Chisora. Usyk fought Chisora and I would not say that that fight was easy for him. So they know what expect from Usyk. Which means there is bit more chances for Dubois to get victory.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on June 17, 2023, 10:00:19 AM

Although Dubois has a very good record, but it seems this will be an easy fight for Usyk because Dubois name isn't included in the top 10 The Ring and in the top 9 BoxRec. Dubois was lose against Joy Joyce, Joyce has a name in heavyweight boxing division, it's obvious Usyk is tougher than Joyce. Even though Usyk's last four fights aren't won via KO, I think this time he might win via KO.

I think this is just a warm-up fight for Usyk since it seems they cannot find a good fighter to fight him this time and in order not to rust, he needs some tune-up fight until they can find someone who will take him to another big stage once again. I have not heard of him for a while now I thought he wasn't going to a fight until I saw this post, that is just one indication that this kind of fight is not that important and they didn't hype this because obviously, the profit is not much.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 23, 2023, 04:00:11 AM

It is still hard for me to understand why this fight is about to happen in few days. Dubois is young, I would say to young for heavyweight. Even though is a professional with 75 fights in amateur career, Usyk is better in everything. More fights, more experience. Just plain facts, Usyk likes long fights, Dubois only few times had fights that last longer than 5 rounds. Why I am stressing so much attention on that - because Dubois got two injuries-surgeries that came one after another.

First a nasty eye injury in 2020, then a torn cruciate ligament in 2021. Last time he fought, when he was knocked down 3 times in first round, that was due to his knee injury popped out again. After that he has spend 6months on crutches. Now he is about to face a champ whos main skills are speed and combos...

Dubois best chance is to go for a knockout in the earlier rounds or go for the upper hand in the earlier rounds because as the fight drags on it will be Usyk turn to impose his skill, Dubois cannot equal Usyk, Usyk is getting better in the latter rounds of the fight especially in the championship rounds.

Its power and skill in this fight I have seen Dubois in his training and he really does pack power on both hands but the power will only matter if he can hit Usyk who has an impeccable defense, Dubois is considered as the next Tyson his built is very similar to Tyson but he lacks the confidence to go like Mike Tyson did.

If Usyk wins here he should face Tyson next so the heavyweight belts should be consolidated so we'll have one undisputed champion.

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It is still hard for me to understand why this fight is about to happen in few days. Dubois is young, I would say to young for heavyweight. Even though is a professional with 75 fights in amateur career, Usyk is better in everything. More fights, more experience. Just plain facts, Usyk likes long fights, Dubois only few times had fights that last longer than 5 rounds. Why I am stressing so much attention on that - because Dubois got two injuries-surgeries that came one after another.

First a nasty eye injury in 2020, then a torn cruciate ligament in 2021. Last time he fought, when he was knocked down 3 times in first round, that was due to his knee injury popped out again. After that he has spend 6months on crutches. Now he is about to face a champ whos main skills are speed and combos...

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By wins, both fighters are very close, By number of knockouts Dubois is scary yes, but I think he has had those wins and knockouts because he has not met a fighter like Usyk, and this will be his first time fighting him. Dubois has a new trainer so that can force some more improvement from Dubois more than what we have seen him and make this fight go in his favour. Usyk is not used to defeat, Dubois has learned a lesson from it having lost once. Usyk will not like to loose the fight, Dubois will not like this to be another fight that he will loose. The winner of this fight is not too obvious.

Both fighters can't afford to lose this fight, Usyk is still eyeing Fury for a huge paycheck, and Dubois will do everything to redeem himself and can't afford to lose this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

No, both fighters will stake everything to win, Usyk may have the upper hand because he is the more technical of the two but we all know Dubois is considered the new Mike Tyson, so one big punch that gets in it will be over.
Waiting for the press conference and face-off, there will be no thrash talks but that doesn't mean these two do not mean business.

Usyk has a lot at stake in this fight because if he loses, it will destroy his plan to have an undisputed fight with Fury. Usyk vs Fury is going to be a big fight, but Dubois can't be underestimated, even though he lost to Joe Joyce, as we never know his adjustments in this fight. There's no hype from the fans on this fight so far, but as soon as Usyk wins the fight, the hype will be high, and fans will be asking for Fury vs Usyk. So hopefully our expectation will happen.

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Quote from: Bananington on June 17, 2023, 02:56:49 PM

By wins, both fighters are very close, By number of knockouts Dubois is scary yes, but I think he has had those wins and knockouts because he has not met a fighter like Usyk, and this will be his first time fighting him. Dubois has a new trainer so that can force some more improvement from Dubois more than what we have seen him and make this fight go in his favour. Usyk is not used to defeat, Dubois has learned a lesson from it having lost once. Usyk will not like to loose the fight, Dubois will not like this to be another fight that he will loose. The winner of this fight is not too obvious.

Both fighters can't afford to lose this fight, Usyk is still eyeing Fury for a huge paycheck, and Dubois will do everything to redeem himself and can't afford to lose this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

No, both fighters will stake everything to win, Usyk may have the upper hand because he is the more technical of the two but we all know Dubois is considered the new Mike Tyson, so one big punch that gets in it will be over.
Waiting for the press conference and face-off, there will be no thrash talks but that doesn't mean these two do not mean business.

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Quote from: bittraffic on June 17, 2023, 11:21:25 AM

While we can agree that Usyk indeed can defeat Dubios, the opposite can also happen. It's more possible to happen to me.
19 fights and 18 by KO is a scary record for a heavyweight. Usyk will not be surprised if he is gonna be knockout by Dubios, just look at how solid young man he is compared to the old Usyk.

Usyk is more solid to me undefeated and with two wins against the former undisputed champion, Dubois is good but lacks the skill and ring generalship of Usyk not to mention Usyk will be fighting in front of his fan that's additional motivation for Usyk and Dubois should prepare for the hostile crowd, we've seen Dubois have a hard time with his opponents jab because of lack of defense.

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Strange choice of place, they could just agree on Wembley Stadium? There must be a story behind this decision.

As a champion, he has the option to fight in his hometown but because it's not possible Poland is the best choice, Usyk will just give his challenger a favor if the fight is held in Wembley Stadium.

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Quote from: bittraffic on June 17, 2023, 11:21:25 AM

While we can agree that Usyk indeed can defeat Dubios, the opposite can also happen. It's more possible to happen to me.
19 fights and 18 by KO is a scary record for a heavyweight. Usyk will not be surprised if he is gonna be knockout by Dubios, just look at how solid young man he is compared to the old Usyk.

Strange choice of place, they could just agree on Wembley Stadium? There must be a story behind this decision.

Usyk is well aware of that power but he knows how to counter these strong boxers, and that is to make them awkward just like he did against Joshua, Dubois's only loss was against Joe Joyce who capitalized Dubois's lack of movement and jabs and this is what Usyk will do.

About the place of the fight It's a 43,000-seat stadium and the promoter expects it to be full, Usyk wants to fight in front of his fellow Ukrainian but since it's not possible, the nearest is fighting in Poland where one of his biggest fan base is located.

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As I look at their record, Dubois having more percentage of knock outing his opponent is very attractive to choose him for a bet but his ko lost record is a turn off. So I think Usyk will be the better choice between the two since Usyk proves that he is a tough guy. Aside from that, I do not think that Dubois can beat Usyk.

Btw, if you remember Dubois fight against Kevin Lerena where Dubois was in trouble in the first round, the bell rang 10 sec. earlier. While Lerena wasn't given a chance on the second round when he was down the second time after he was hit after bell rang which signals the end of the round.

Here is the very controversial fight between Daniel Dubois and Kevin Lerena

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By wins, both fighters are very close, By number of knockouts Dubois is scary yes, but I think he has had those wins and knockouts because he has not met a fighter like Usyk, and this will be his first time fighting him. Dubois has a new trainer so that can force some more improvement from Dubois more than what we have seen him and make this fight go in his favour. Usyk is not used to defeat, Dubois has learned a lesson from it having lost once. Usyk will not like to loose the fight, Dubois will not like this to be another fight that he will loose. The winner of this fight is not too obvious.

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