If the only cost to consider was the cost of transacting, you would have won the argument years ago. But you're only looking at half the cost. The cost of running a non-mining node is now a vital consideration. That cost also needs to be affordable for those in less prosperous financial circumstances. Why do you think it should be full nodes for the wealthy and SPV for the poor?
There is a balance to be struck between cheap transactions and cheap independent validation of those transactions, without needing to rely on third parties. Both are equally important. Stop giving in to your bias that only one side matters. It's ignorant and dangerous (but then, that's just franky1 in a nutshell, isn't it).
Build a time machine and go back to 2017 if you want to dispute any of this further. This is not a scaling topic, so stop turning it into one. It's over. You lost the argument.
first of all miners cost has no association with transaction handling.. AT ALL
miners(asics) do not select transactions. do not review the content of transactions do not check if transactions meet any rules. . all a miner does is hash a hash. thats it. it does not matter if a block has 1 transaction or 4000tx. it doesnt matter if a block is 300bytes or 4mb, a miners work is still the same. the difficulty adjusts based on timing of blocks. which has nothing to do with transaction counts or anything. so trying to blame miners for transaction COST is an utter misdirecting point the blame finger away from the devs, a stupid ploy you are trying to push
learn the difference between a miner vs a pool manager. ill give you a hint. a miner is an asic. an asic is a device with no hard drive and no store of the blockchain.
a miners job and cost is to hash a hash which is a electric cost no matter how many transactions are in a block.
secondly. you want to pretend to be the caring person of peoples PC cost for being a full node.. yet you are happy if transactions cost $20 per use. but you think a $100 hard drive for 5+years is too much..
do the math.
again you think bitcoin should be only used once a year if we play by your numbers. because you feel that $100 is too much for anything under 5 years. but $20 is ok per transaction.. thus you want people to only use bitcoin once a year to be of equal cost to the threshold of what you consider too much
again anyone that uses a pc in 2023 is not running an MS-Dos or windows 98 computer with only a few gb hard drive. its 2023 modern computers as standard come with capable hard drive space...
again people buying a PC for other normal life needs automatically get a hard drive with their PC. becasue guess what PC's do come with hard drives so not an extra expense just to use bitcoin. its part of standard PC for standard PC life requirement
heck there are people that use PC's for gaming that install a new game that is 50gb every month. and they are not crying.
i know you want to pretend its 2003 tech but we are in 2023. you about 20 years out of date when you want to pretend you care about PC hardware utility issues
also its weird for you to want to have transactions rejected to not take up blockchain space. but then say let the memes continue dont censor the memes even though memes were 1000x larger than a normal bitcoin users tx
yep you are happy to censor people using bitcoin to buy their lunch or pay bills or even rent for unbanked countries. but happy for nonsense memes to flood the same space..
doomad it is you that think that bitcoin utility (using transactions to make payments for goods and services) should only be for the wealthy.
and you kiss devs ass to make devs think its ok for them to soften the rules to let it happen.. but you dont want others objecting to your mind set to speak with devs. you dont want anyone who wants the exploits fixed asking the devs to fix it.
you want devs to only hear your social clubs echos, so they think that its the only voice they should follow
if you actually cared about bitcoin users costs. then it would be the transaction fee you would want to keep low. so that users can transact without it costing them multiple hours of minimum wage to do so.
as for everything i have been saying throughout this topic..
i have not been an advocate for bloat.. YOU have
i have said refine and return the rules that ensured lean byte utility for bitcoin payments not junk
that way more people can transact for actual bitcoin payments without having to outbid junk
rules that dont prioritise/prefer junk and ensure every byte of a transaction has a purpose to prove a payment is authorised by the utxo key owner
also fee rules that only harm the spammers but dont harm everyone equally
thus not making bitcoin expensive to use per transaction for those that want to use bitcoin to buy real goods and services