Topic: On Ordinals: Where do you stand? - page 2. (Read 9226 times)

no, its called having a brain. having memory that can last more then your one week limit.
funny part is you cannot remember much passed one week which is why you have to rely on scripts fed to you by your cult mentor.

and i am still laughing how you say this


you really have no clue how bitcoin works

funny part is you debunk yourself by then talking about a rule.
where you then show(without you realising/knowing) that bitcoin does have rules created by CODE

or are you going to say bitcoin doesnt use code and instead it uses magic? is that your new idiocy? that you think bitcoin relies on magic?

just because there is a thing called CODE doesn't mean you need to CODE. noun and verb.

well franky can make rules. code is an inanimate object so code doesn't make any rules. franky makes rules and then he tries to put them into code maybe. so that other people have to follow his rules if he can cram it into bitcoin core.

if you say so franky.

bitcoin has a fixed blocksize franky. it can't be bigger than what is it, 4mb? doesn't matter what people put into the blocks, 4mb is the max. so yeah. the types of transactions could vary over time. miners go with whatever is paying the most fees they don't care what the transactions are for. but you do. because you want to censor people. that's very obvious because by censoring people you feel that the fees will go down but you seem to think that it will alleviate your disc space issue but again, if you're not prepared to set aside 4mb per block then maybe you shouldn't be running a full node.

but who are you to decide what is a genuine transaction? obviously you've already decided what that is and are ready to have the code enforce it but i'm glad you're not a dev. because i think that kind of mindset is dangerous. it's like you already decided you are 100% right and bypass the need for any self reflection. 

i'm convinced now that you keep some type of spreadsheet where you store all the things you have against various people in this sheet for quick and easy reference...


how many btc do you have franky? 10?

franky1 in a nutshell, regarding ordinals or any topic that's ever been discussed here

idiots being idiots

larry again asks me to show how to fix things. i again have to inform him of a thing called CODE.. its been mentioned soo many times now but he serms to want to avoid understanding code. wants to think code has no purpose

yet code can make rules to define expectations of what bytes are in a transaction and the format of those bytes where it requires certain formats and expectations of content, length, and proofs. no junk

funny how larry is an idiot to many things about bitcoin. but is first inline to spot a scam and advertise it.

he also blindly thinks there is no bloat and only a fee mania problem. seems he doesnt understand that the memes/json JUNK is JUNK bloat that can be stopped using code.. and the fixes(many mentioned in previous posts) can fix the junk and also make transactions leaner and cost effective aswell. and allow more genuine transactions per block that are spendable for real bitcoin utility ~(but larry does not like that idea.. an idea of bitcoin being used for bitcoins purpose)

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nutildah thinks he cant remember one time he promoted ordinals...by saying  he has not promoted it in the same post he is promoting ordinals by defending his warped view of pretending that they work and his previous post of saying they have value..

he refuses to do the math to realise even the basic counting sats example he gave.. shows that it does not work and is broke. he pretends i refuse to do the research and yet i done more research than he did, i actually bothered to count the sats, using his own example of transaction.. it was nutildah that cant count and so he cant understand how it DOES NOT WORK because he lacks doing the research. all he wants to do is promote the scam broken promise working of a project managers explanation. without nutty actually looking at the block data and counting the sats to see if the project manager is correct or not. blind ignorance and project manager idolation is what nutildah follows, not research

seems idiots just want to go around in circles forgetting they are idiots and then question why they are being called idiots even though it has been explained to them in many posts

goodluck to them. but one thing is for sure, their motives are promoting crap. idolising corporate shills with blind ignorant loyalty in hope of getting rich. but from their mentors evidence. if their mentor is not wealthy then these idiots wont get wealthy any time soon either

I knew it. You can't point to one single instance where I was pro-ordinals.


I could say you've been lying by continuing to misunderstand how it works after multiple attempts to explain the basics to you (since you refuse to do your own research), but its possible you just really are this dull-headed and incapable of learning.


Again, you're misrepresenting my words because you can never backtrack on a claim you've made, regardless of how stupid it is. It's the reason why not a single person here takes you seriously.

obviously you want people to still have to download the entire blockchain no matter how big it is far into the future. it's not only the downloading but also the processing. so i guess i can put you in the camp that says we'll always need to download the full blockchain if we want to verify it is legitimate.


the block size is capped franky. and only so many blocks in a day. people can still send bitcoin. there is no bloat. the only bloat you don't like is higher transaction fees.


so i want to hear your proposal about how you would block Bitcoin Stamps. let's hear it franky. or are you too afraid to explain how because then they might come up with a workaround?

i already told you if you keep moaning and complaining about ordinals and ban them then you are part of the problem because you'll then be forcing people over to something else like Bitcoin Stamps which uses the UTXO set. Which is what you just said you don't want!

i don't want them to do that but i heard that's what going to happen oneday if you can even find a service like that at all. obviously you take offence to that notion/idea. but you haven't explained why it won't happen. i'm listening though.


they're not ruining anything franky. they're just servants of bitcoin. they will serve their time and then hand it over to other people who will then serve. you on the other hand are not serving. because you're not producing anything. not offering any product or service or alternative.

you always seem to come around to impeaching people based on how you think they are motivated by financial means. as though you're better than them because you own enough BTC so that you don't have to work...

Wow.  The desperation is almost palpable, heh. 

I am not a spokesperson.  I have no financial relationship or affiliation with Bitcoin Core, Blockstream or whichever other boogeymen you're so afraid of.  Not a single signature campaign I've ever been on has tried to influence or pressure me into expressing any views for or against anything developers have said or done.  I receive no income from running LN nodes.  None of my views on Ordinals, scaling, development, layer 2, etc are influenced by money in any way, shape or form.

I merely express what I believe to be correct and proper based on the principles of open-source, permissionless freedom.  It's not my fault you hate open-source, permissionless freedom and everything it entails.

You can certainly try to undermine me by lying and making things up.  But I think most people are smart enough to see through that.  It's only your credibility that you end up undermining.  Not that you had any left, anyway.   

not surprised.. at all.. kinda funny how it was me telling you about the corporate greed of core devs wanting to mess with a full node to such extremes for corporate profit

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funny part about your other post about the 'if we stop ordinals they will just use stamps'.. here is the things you are ignoring:
a. you want to do a "lets do nothing" option. thus allowing the bloat... stupidity at its finest..

b. code can be created to stop these things by actually having format requirements and expectations for byte utility. rather than all this 'dont check', 'assume valid' 'is valid' bypass cludge. meaning there are ways to prevent wasteful use of the stamps too.. but you dont want core devs to code it... again stupidity at its finest.

c. for emphasis: you following the "do nothing" approach is a way to cause not just blockchain data bloat to continue but also UTXO excessive growth too..

you do not believe in code or how it can be used to make transactions efficient. you dont understand code, and dont realise what code can and should do.
so you seem to be against using code to make bitcoin do its job its suppose to do. you are part of the cult promotion group that want full nodes to be a commercial service charging for archival exploring. because you think core devs should have the ability to ruin it for the community due to their contract that requires them to get ROI on their sponsors investment..
and i assume you think if you ass kiss their narrative you will get paid for your loyalty.. im guessing doomad promised you riches if you join the cult-speak
but here is the thing. if doomad has not been hired in his last 6 years of ass kissing(presume not by his requirement of sig-campaigning other scammy services).. learn from that. you wont get hired/paid for as kissing a commercial narrative. so no point ass kissing the commercialisation and breakdown of bitcoin which just wants to advertise other systems/services that pay middlemen per use which they think everyone should use instead


in this very topic you have been promoting them. you have been LYING by pretending that they have proof of transfer and value and pretending that it works

fact is:
its junk dead weight data... so even in your occassional attempt to pretend to be against them once in a while.. you then flip the script still by still hinting that you think they are a valued system so are still promoting that you think  collectors should grab some of the early ones..

yeah i don't know where franky gets some of his wild ideas.

well in the past, people were trying to sell low inscription numbers on ordswap for insane prices just because.just because they had a low number so the future may have already occurred to some extent.




you're a really reasonable person DooMAD. franky is the one that is unreasonable in his demands and i guess expectations.

you don't know how true that statement could be. imagine someone like franky brute forces ordinals out of existence and then all the people that used ordinals switch over to something like Bitcoin Stamps. How many million ordinals do we now have? How many Bitcoin Stamps are there? Let's keep it that way.   Because when things start getting stored into the UTXO set itself, you're not pruning that. But I guess that's what franky wants is to force people into storing things into the UTXO set. Because if he does that then he wins the small battle. And of course loses the war.

The reason people don't use something like Stamps is because ordinals is probably alot cheaper and they don't want to have to pay more. And that's really better for bitcoin anyway for them to not be using Stamps since it bloats up the UTXO set I'm imagining. But if Franky gets his way then people would be forced to do that maybe. Are you listening Franky?  

exactly. give people a choice. if it's cheaper and offers similiar functionality that's about all you can do is lead a horse to water. but franky wants to force the horse not to drink at all...

Yes, you "fixed" it by removing the piece of collector's knowledge this person was seeking, something you have no experience with or frame of reference for.

My post history reveals I've never been a fan of ordinals and never expressed interest in purchasing them myself. However, I do know that in the future the collector's market will desire the earlier inscriptions, assuming there isn't some economic catastrophe between now and then.

Since you're so big on data and research, please find one post where I expressed an adoration for ordinals. Just because you're often wrong on a technical level and need to be corrected before others start believing your nonsense, it doesn't mean I "adore" ordinals.

I am all for updating bitcoin's blockchain as time goes on.  I know some feel that the whole point of bitcoin is it's protocol not being deviated from much, but I feel like the whole point of having an electronic cash system, is the fact that it's programmable makes it so that it could always be improved upon.  Now the negative is wasting time and resources on updating stuff so people can make useless ordinals /NFTs etc to try and make money off of.  It's slowing down the network, increasing fees, all for what?

i'm not the one that said it franky. you might be surprised who did though. and it might not be who you thought.

see the link if you want more context.

it's not necessarily the answers that are the hard thing to find it is knowing what questions to ask in the first place. you act like it is easy to google search something but search for what?

agreed. he's kind of a real oddity. 

Do you only see in binary or something?  Is everything for you black and white, with no room for middleground at all?  I get that you're a rabid extremist and you're incapable of nuance yourself, but can you at least comprehend the fact that normal human beings can see situations in ways other than absolutes?  

Every post you make in this topic is basically saying "if you're not against it, you're for it", but that's merely indicative of your inability to comprehend that there are more subtle stances in between those two extremes.  And there's no truth in it at all.

It's a perfectly valid stance to say that I personally think Ordinals in their present form are worthless junk.  But at the same time, I don't believe it's in any way prudent or sensible to attempt to centrally plan them out of existence using brute force (and seemingly neither do devs).  Not only would it be stupid and reckless to try, it's also utterly futile.  In no way am I "for" Ordinals, but I'm not "against" them enough to make a rash emotional response (as you are) like trying to ban them, which would likely threaten Bitcoin's very fundamentals.  The far more reasonable and elegant approach is to build more efficient ways to perform the same function.  This way the cost will be lower and incentivise a less inconsiderate usage of resources.  The work is well underway, you can't stop it and it's going to happen.  But you'll cry more because it involves layer 2.  

You whine when people put Ordinals on the blockchain, but you also whine when someone says Ordinals could go on Layer 2.  Make it make sense, plz.

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Cunning and opportunistic, certainly.  Genius might be a bit of a stretch, though.  The things he builds are seemingly rather wasteful and slipshod in nature.

fixed that for you

it must be recruitment week. pretending to be against ordinals.. just to find people that will be loyal to you becasue your realising more people hate ordinals than like them..  shame your post history reveals you adore them. so ill wait a week and see your post personality flip back to adoring them again and wanting them to continue.. like every other time

piece of advice for all other reasoners dont fall into the cult of these idiots. do your own research. they will find ways to scam you out of your funds one way or another. most likely try to get you to use another network thats broke whilst saying bitcoin is not the network you should stick with using

None.

What might have been a useful feature has turned into a total degen gimmick. As someone who has been watching this clown show unfold since the beginning, I can tell you that pretty much every ordinal or BRC20 is currently overvalued and the only ones that potentially have any promise in the future can be found within the first 10,000 inscriptions or so.

If you don't have one of those - and a notable one at that - its a total crapshoot and you'll probably lose money. Don't say you weren't warned.

I will try to get my hands on some ordinals like ORDI but that's for the possible purpose of making more money in the next bull market, It seems ordinals will drive a new attention to Bitcoin by 2025 because of ordinals, if anyone is planning to do the same I would suggest not investing too much because nothing is certain, but for the fact that ordinals are running on Bitcoin makes me feel that there will be some good gains to made from ordinals.

I will like to ask the audience, which ordinal assets are you storing up for the future? Or which one do you think it's stronger among the rest?

and there goes the "decentralised blockchain" principle.. sold out to the highest paying central point of failure corporation

i know you hear things from idiots..
but although explorers do show history FOR FREE. amd although being a full node is still cheap. i do understand why your idiot mentor has $$$ on his mind of making people need to pay for everything as a service.. funny part is though your mentor is promoting capitalist ideals while he himself isnt profiting from the promotions. he HOPES one day someone will recognise his ass kissing and will pay him. but after 6 years he is still penny pinching sig-campaigns so its not likely they will hire him as an official PR guy. so learn from his mistakes.. ass kissing wont make you wealthy

i do understand his ideologies is centralist capitalist(elitism) system.. but thats him thinking about fiat too much. he loves fiat

ever ask yourself why bitcoin was made to be nothing like a centralist capitalist system. ask yourself why even bother with decentralisation..

i really want you to ask yourself and seek out information from actual sources not your mentor because he is leading you into a cultish rabbit whole that wants to break bitcoin principles and just make it emulate and promote CBDC
if you look at the construct of hyperledger projects(the committee involved in CBDC) and see how ideas of CBDC prototypes are now seen via the blockstream path to make things like segwit which enabled liquid and lightning. you will see the intentions of the core devs formally and continually linked to such projects

all this information is a simple google search away. dare yourself to seek it

Personally, I don't really think if I would be a part of people who disagree or agree with this. As long as the Ordinals could be impact for the future of blockchain it will be a really good case. But I think, at current time the use case of Ordinals is not really impactful, but I believe it will be useful in the near or for long time. CMIIW.

maybe but they don't make new releases of the entire thing every day.

you could but that would be very inefficient. you would have so many versions of the software lying around that it wouldn't make much sense. that's why they only do full releases every so often.

only developers need git. an end user that just wants to download the latest version of the software doesn't. but i wouldn't put it past casey to come up with a git type tool for ordinals. he's a genius. as is evidenced by all the stuff he's done.


apparently "full archival nodes" are on the way out. they simply won't exist anymore at a certain point other than maybe you can find a service that will let you look at old history if you pay. that's what i heard...


 

1% of total hashrate to acquire would cost close to 150 million $ ( i did some calculations in the past and at that time the infrastructure had a cost of 16 billion ) , not to mention the power cost which is a nice amount . So , these transactions will not be free for them , even if they push them with zero fee .