Topic: One in five Americans: “Religious institutions Should Be Forced to Perform SSM" - page 2. (Read 3204 times)

What's your take on these?

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.   (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst.  And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city.   (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)


    They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil.   (Judges 5:30 NAB)

I'm sorry, but the bible promotes all the horrors that our society seeks to avoid, such as rape, murder, and the like(Same for the Torah). It's just one big mess and that shows the invalidity of it, there's some moments where laws entirely contradict each other, so it was clearly not inspired by "god".

It's not clear from that Deuteronomy 22:25-29 quote that the killing of the rapist is mandated at all times, or just in self-defense, as they're in the act of committing the rape. Also, killing a serial rapist in self-defense stops any more women from being victimized by them.

Again, all you're doing is showing that "God the Father" is a malevolent, hateful being who does not forgive. Nice god you worship there /s.

As I shown before, the OT portion of the bible promotes rape, mass murder, etc. Please stop denying what's clearly written. It's childish.

You ignore the fact that a generational curse can only happen if someone in the family did evil, and children of such families can break them in the name of Jesus nowadays.

You also totally ignored that the bible does not condone rape in anyway.

2 Samuel 13:14 "However, he would not listen to her; since he was stronger than she, he violated her and lay with her."

Violated is not a good word, so that rape was not condoned.

Deuteronomy 22:25-29 "But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. "But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death, for just as a man rises against his neighbor and murders him, so is this case.

So the man who rapes should die, so that rape was not condoned.

Also, the bible is full of verses were people are only supposed to be with their wife. So any sex out of marriage is wrong.

I hope USA gets nuked before they pollute Europe too. Those sodomites must be stopped! 

See... a lot of sodomites are dying every year due to HIV/AIDS, Syphilis, Gonorrhea.etc. So there is a real need to recruit new people, so that the LGBT community could survive. The churches might be one of the most attractive places to find new recruits, as most of the attendees will be middle-aged and not very aggressive. They should start with the Westboro Baptist Church. 

Why should gays be forced to go to church?

Generational curses. Wow, so you're admitting that "God the Father" in the bible is an evil god, since he kills innocent children and babies because of acts that there father or grandmother, or great great grandfather might have committed.

Look, your entire argument makes no sense and you're standing up for cruelty and evil here. Absolutely fucking pathetic, not that I can expect much from the likes of yourself. I'm done with you. Why don't you go try getting yourself raped and see how it feels, and just have the man pay your father as if you're a ride at the carnival.

Hello surveyor I've never fucking heard of before, out of dozens I know of! What next, "a survey conducted by the Anrab Group, a polling firm that studies racism, found 1/5 Americans support the genocide of anyone with light skin"?

Reading the above says, that if someone rapes someone, he is supposed to pay her father money (for the sin he's committed) and then marry her and take care of her because he violated her. Which means rape is a sin and the man is supposed to repay for his sin.

"Together, these passages clearly state that if a man has sex with a virgin who is not betrothed (regardless of whether or not it was rape or consensual) he is obliged to marry her. He should have sought her father's permission first, negotiated a bride-price, and taken her as his wife. Because he did not, he is punished for this—he now must pay up (he can't opt out any more) and marry her (which could be a major punishment in itself if this was a foolish, spur-of-the-moment act and she really wasn't the right woman for him!).

Also note that "he may not divorce her all his days" – this initially doesn't seem significant but is actually a major punishment. Deuteronomy 24:1-4 (restated more clearly in Matthew 5:32 and 19:9) allowed for divorce, but only in the case of sexual immorality (the word "uncleanness" refers to this and was translated as such in the LXX). This man now may not divorce his wife even for this reason, but is obliged to continue to support her all his life whatever she does.

But her father is ultimately in authority over her, as her head, until he hands this authority over to her husband. If the man is unsuitable, the father can refuse to give his daughter to him. How many fathers would give their daughter to a rapist? Not many. So, in general, a rapist would actually have to pay a 50 silver shekel fine to her father, and not get a wife at all.

The answer to the question is in Exodus 22:17 - the woman does NOT have to marry a rapist, she must only do what her father says." (Does Deuteronomy 22:28-29 command a rape victim to marry her rapist?)


Just because you think children and babies are innocent from sin, doesn't mean it's true. According to the bible, there are generational curses, which means children have to pay for the sin of their mother/father. But this explains it pretty well, he was trying to save those who believed in Him, and keeping those who didn't, who would sin with no regret from passing it on and "infecting" others with that sin, thereby showing love:

"In regard to the Canaanites, God commanded, “However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them — the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites — as the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God” (Deuteronomy 20:16-18). The Israelites failed in this mission as well, and exactly what God said would happen occurred (Judges 2:1-3; 1 Kings 11:5; 14:24; 2 Kings 16:3-4). God did not order the extermination of these people to be cruel, but rather to prevent even greater evil from occurring in the future.

Probably the most difficult part of these commands from God is that God ordered the death of children and infants as well. Why would God order the death of innocent children? (1) Children are not innocent (Psalm 51:5; 58:3). (2) These children would have likely grown up as adherents to the evil religions and practices of their parents. (3) By ending their lives as children, God enabled them to have entrance into Heaven. We strongly believe that all children who die are accepted into Heaven by the grace and mercy of God (2 Samuel 12:22-23; Mark 10:14-15; Matthew 18:2-4)." (Why did God command the extermination / genocide of the Canaanites, women and children included?)

Because the bible is evil christian institutions should be forced to perform ssm.

The church should do it as... a punishment?

Unfortunately, your interpretation of the bible is wrong, as there are passages that explicitly show otherwise. There are numerous cases of rape being promoted in the bible. Numerous cases of innocent babies, children, and the elderly being killed because of god's orders. Your god is a evil god, there is no "ifs" or "buts" about it. I advise you go read through the OT portion of the bible carefully. EX: If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her - (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)


And as I said before, children and babies are surely exempt from "sin" and cannot be compared to Adults in the matter of sinning. Therefore, your god killing innocent babies and children just proves my point, your not worshiping "god the father", you're worshiping "satan".

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children.  "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin."  Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.
 
    The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives.  But there were not enough women for all of them.  The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel.  So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead?  There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever.  But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."
 
    Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem.  They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards.  When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife!  And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding.  Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'"  So the men of Benjamin did as they were told.  They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance.  Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them.  So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes. (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

Murdering those who sin, is seen everywhere, and as I said is not done anymore. But it was done because those who were killed were evil (the Lord knew), and he didn't want His people to sin.

It doesn't say women were raped in the bible. Here are a couple of references discussing what some say was rape:

http://www.rationalchristianity.net/numbers31.html
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-rape.html

"Weren't the virgin women raped?

There are two parts to this objection: did God instruct or permit the soldiers to rape the women, and did the soldiers actually rape them?

It's clear that God didn't intend for the soldiers to rape the women, but rather to take them captive. The law God had given to the Israelites condemned rape, in some cases punishing it with death (Dt 22:25-27). Also, immediately following the command to spare the virgin women, the soldiers were instructed to purify themselves and their captives (31:19), and rape (or consensual intercourse) would have violated this command (Lev 15:16-18). In the rest of the chapter, the women are usually referred to as people (using the masculine adam), not women or virgins, underscoring the notion that they were seen as captives rather than sexual objects." (link)

No, it is you who are mistaken to think that God promoted such things. But, even if He did, He is God and Owner of everything. Why are you setting yourself up against God?



EDIT: What's the matter? You place me on ignore because I have answers you can't resist. Consider what you are really doing. You are placing yourself on ignore with regard to the truth. You would rather sleep in your ignorance than wake up and look at reality.

The ceremonial laws were for the Jews and nobody else, except non-Jews living among the Jews. It has always been that way. There is no evidence anywhere in the O.T. where God applies the Jews' laws to anyone else, except for the moral laws. Such doesn't exist.

So then "god" promoting the murder of babies, children, the raping of young women, the murder of the elderly, the murder of adulteres, the murder of his own priests, means that, "it is right and good and not evil."?

You are the most delusional, pathetic man I have ever met. I'm done here. Now everyone can see why religious people are the bane of this world, we need freedom From religion.

EDIT: You're now on ignore BADecker, I don't talk to delusional sheep.

In the context that a true god actually exists, the "god" your following now BADecker would actually be Satan, just so you know. Stupid man.

If God promoted it, then it is right and good and not evil.

Go to your nearest Bible and see the ways that God promoted anything. If the things He promotes apply to you, then obey. If they don't, then don't. But don't consider God evil.

Everything in the universe and beyond belongs to God, and you are badly mistaken when you say that He is evil. If you say such, then you are pushing yourself against God, the Maker and Owner of everything. It will wind up being you that are evil by opposing God.

No, God in the OT allowed for the rape of young women, the murder of babies, children, and the elderly. I assume that babies and children are supposed to be innocent by default, correct?

Every single one of those laws are supposed to be followed, since the OT is as equally relevant as the NT.

So you're admitting that you don't truly believe in Jesus. The fact of the matter is that Jesus supported the OT, making the OT as relevant as the NT. If you obey the NT's laws, then obey the OT's laws. If you don't obey both, then you are not a true christian, just a superficial "believer".

Feel free to list any laws we are supposed to be following currently. There was definitely mass murder in the bible in the OT of those who were sinful, again those who are sinful now, just ask for forgiveness and it's given, because Jesus already died for those sins.