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Quote from: redwine49 on January 29, 2022, 11:44:32 AM

In history only us, the human species has killed each other more than any other species.
Because we are at the top one of the food chain, there is no enemy who can challange us more than our own species.
We struggle to dominate each other, kill others if they think it's necessary
Who knows in the future maybe another species will come to earth and dominate us so that circumstances will bring us together as one

The conversation goes further by talking about another species? do you mean the alien who will unite all? one world one currency? The world will still be in a different financial system but Bitcoin can be an alternative for everyone to use without being discredited with other currencies. What is certain is that the hope is that Bitcoin can enter all countries' financial systems without any more conflicts that we often encounter by institutions that do not like decentralization.

What i mean is we can't be one world one currency without conflict.
There will be somebody who want to fight for it.
There will be more conflicts because our difference.
Who won and who lose becase in the end it should be the one who will win above everything else.
Even bitcoin will be the one, it will require altcoins for bitcoin to exist.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 01, 2022, 07:15:09 PM

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This may be impossible, because one world has many countries and there are also various currencies in every corner of the world. The possibility to achieve one currency in one world is impossible except with the exchange rate and national unity.

Personally I have never been able to understand why people want something like this, if there was a single government then they will be incredibly authoritative, if we think that things are bad as they are right now a world in which there was only one country would be terrible as there will be no other options, right now if the country where you live is too oppressive you can always leave and never come back, something impossible to do with only one government.

Only supper power countries would want to see this to happen since they want to control the economic state of all country and want to dominate it. But in reality this will never happen since we know many country will not agree this to happen and its against to their democracy also this will put their country in danger since they possibly get control on the country who's top on this plan. Hopefully this will never happen since we might face the worse scenario if someone succeed this to happen.

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Quote from: Silberman on February 01, 2022, 07:15:09 PM

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This may be impossible, because one world has many countries and there are also various currencies in every corner of the world. The possibility to achieve one currency in one world is impossible except with the exchange rate and national unity.

Personally I have never been able to understand why people want something like this, if there was a single government then they will be incredibly authoritative, if we think that things are bad as they are right now a world in which there was only one country would be terrible as there will be no other options, right now if the country where you live is too oppressive you can always leave and never come back, something impossible to do with only one government.

Finally what the single country decide will turn to be a disaster and it serves to be the central authority for everything. This doesn't happen and it is against the democracy. Another important thing is the State's control gets missed. Right now the lower body is the State authority. Central powers make decisions to some level and the rest is taken care by the State authority. With one nation one currency the lifestyle and the culture being followed will gets hidden.

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If you are religious then you better hope it never becomes one currency lol

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This may be impossible, because one world has many countries and there are also various currencies in every corner of the world. The possibility to achieve one currency in one world is impossible except with the exchange rate and national unity.

Personally I have never been able to understand why people want something like this, if there was a single government then they will be incredibly authoritative, if we think that things are bad as they are right now a world in which there was only one country would be terrible as there will be no other options, right now if the country where you live is too oppressive you can always leave and never come back, something impossible to do with only one government.

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Quote from: laredo7mm on January 26, 2022, 11:14:12 AM

From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?

This is definitely will not happen. Given the fact that there are countries who are underdeveloped, developing, and developed countries, the variance among their respective treasuries and value of currency would be against the these poor countries. The rich will only become richer, and the poor will become poorer as they will be deeply prejudiced with this kind of setup.

Though having one universal currency may sound a good idea that could potentially solve issues with regards to transaction, I honestly believe that it would bring more harm than good.

This idea of one nation, one currency is not something new. It has been tackled ever since, but it didn't worked out. Although it has its own advantage like having a free trade since there will be no additional charges that will be added, but knowing each country has different economic conditions, then its hard to adopt a single currency that will be most benefited by all.

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Quote from: laredo7mm on January 26, 2022, 11:14:12 AM

From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?

If the one world currency ever comes to existence and it's centralized then it will be a call for another world war. Why do I sound this way my point is favouritism and marginalization would set in. The only way a one world currency would definitely work out without having to cause choas amongst nations is to embrace the decentralized technology. Where trust and security is built upon a network of p2p computers anything outside this could be disastrous

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Quote from: Lucius on January 28, 2022, 07:28:18 AM

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We have a first step in that direction: the Eurozone. Although there are many problems, it has lasted more than 20 years already. A monetary union that was not imposed by wars but by agreements.

It is just an attempt to do something similar to the US (United European States), but with the difference that this is about different nations in every respect (linguistic, economic, political, cultural ...), some of which refuse to use the Euro as a common currency (Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Sweden). For me personally, it is a bad monetary union in which the ECB has too many control mechanisms, and all eurozone members obey its decisions.

The UK's decision to never join the eurozone proved to be a positive example, not only in terms of Brexit - but also in the fact that the UK began implementing its own economic recovery measures after 2008, and eurozone members did not do so until 2015. I have always been for individual responsibility and decisions, but that is still just my opinion.

To this I will add that any attempt to try to do something to unite all countries in a single political union will have to disregard democracy, whether the union is achieved though war or by political means whoever is on top of that union is someone that will not be elected by the people, so they do not really have any legitimacy as they do not really have the support of the population to take any decision in their, which is something that we see in the European Union and it is one of the most important complains against it.

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Quote from: laredo7mm on January 26, 2022, 11:14:12 AM

From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen?

So you want to change history and create a new one, whatever you do it will not change anything because basically humans has a herd mentality and it is not going to change as long as humans are alive.

The prime example regarding the herd mentality in the cryptocurrency space is, we started with BTCitcoin and what happens if everyone follows a single currency and not thousands of currencies. That was not the case here, even in BTCitcoin we have separated into different herds of big blocks and small blocks.

Quote from: laredo7mm on January 26, 2022, 11:14:12 AM

what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?

It is a dream scenario which is impossible to achieve. If you are able to convince a small group about one ideology then try with a bigger group and you will understand it is basically impossible to convince everyone Wink

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Quote from: laredo7mm on January 26, 2022, 11:14:12 AM

From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?

This is definitely will not happen. Given the fact that there are countries who are underdeveloped, developing, and developed countries, the variance among their respective treasuries and value of currency would be against the these poor countries. The rich will only become richer, and the poor will become poorer as they will be deeply prejudiced with this kind of setup.

Though having one universal currency may sound a good idea that could potentially solve issues with regards to transaction, I honestly believe that it would bring more harm than good.

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Quote from: laredo7mm on January 26, 2022, 11:14:12 AM

From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?

I think we humans have never created boundaries for us, boundaries are actually created by our circumstances and our limitations, for example in the past boundaries were created due to limitations of travel and communications, this was the reason why states or kingdoms were built. Gradually kingdoms turned into large countries. Now as mobility has increased so much we are thinking of just one nation. I think it's just a matter of time and eventually we will become one world one country one currency.

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Quote from: redwine49 on January 29, 2022, 11:44:32 AM

In history only us, the human species has killed each other more than any other species.
Because we are at the top one of the food chain, there is no enemy who can challange us more than our own species.
We struggle to dominate each other, kill others if they think it's necessary
Who knows in the future maybe another species will come to earth and dominate us so that circumstances will bring us together as one

The conversation goes further by talking about another species? do you mean the alien who will unite all? one world one currency? The world will still be in a different financial system but Bitcoin can be an alternative for everyone to use without being discredited with other currencies. What is certain is that the hope is that Bitcoin can enter all countries' financial systems without any more conflicts that we often encounter by institutions that do not like decentralization.

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Quote from: laredo7mm on January 28, 2022, 10:29:49 AM

Do you know why the world is more peaceful now? In the past, all the power was consolidated to the king and the king can do anything they wants to. But now in a democratic country, you can not do that so easily. Also, nuclear power gives some balance to the world power and that is why North Korea can threaten the USA but fear to do any military conflict. In the past biggest and more trained army win the battle but now one single nuclear strike could turn the tide no matter what's your army size is. The nuclear weapon is the most dangerous weapon in the human's arsenal and this is the reason we haven't seen any world war till now. World leaders understand mind your own business is good for everybody.

Yep, that's what happen in our world right now.

Quote from: hyudien on January 28, 2022, 11:44:40 AM

No conflict? only enough to eliminate the nature of lust and greed that exist in humans. Unfortunately, the world is designed to balance Yin and Yang, however, we live in a world full of question marks, between yes and no. So if ideally, harmony occurs, the first to second world wars will not be created and will not cause an economic crisis anywhere. The greed of mankind has made the world unbalanced.

In history only us, the human species has killed each other more than any other species.
Because we are at the top one of the food chain, there is no enemy who can challange us more than our own species.
We struggle to dominate each other, kill others if they think it's necessary
Who knows in the future maybe another species will come to earth and dominate us so that circumstances will bring us together as one

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Quote from: laredo7mm on January 26, 2022, 11:14:12 AM

From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?

Probably, each of us thought about what would happen if there were no wars and other conflicts between states in our world and there was only one state on our planet without language differences. We know that in practice there is not even a single year in us that there are no wars on the planet, and yet they lead to great destruction and great material and human losses.
In this regard, it can be stated unequivocally that then both the material and mental efforts of mankind would be directed to the development of science and technology, the knowledge of our capabilities and the world around us, including the exploration of near and far space. By this time, we would have a completely different society, with the highest technology and amenities for people.
But we are not the first human civilization on this planet. There is an opinion that it was technological development that ultimately led to the destruction of mankind.

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I do applaud your thinking and, the unification idea is something I do hope for, but if that tends to happen it can only come in the far future. Crypto is a good example that one currency at this point is not even an option, because if we really, truly, were ready to evolve, then BTC would be a great starting point and we would stick with that, but we didn't and we have diversity. However, in crypto, unlike FIAT, diversity (at least on some levels) comes from technological, and not cultural diversity, and if anything, that's a step in the right direction.

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Quote from: bitmover on January 28, 2022, 01:54:27 PM

One nation, one currency. But dont forget, this also comes with one leader.
Decentralization is the way to go.
Centralization of power and decisions will hardly be good for individuals

People obviously do not understand that part when we talk about the EU and the fact that 70% of all decisions are made in the EU parliament - and then only formally confirmed in national parliaments. States that defend their national interests are fighting against it, but there are many who accept whatever is asked of them, even to the detriment of their own people.

Some people mistakenly compare Bitcoin to the EUR or US dollar when they talk about some common currency, and these are completely different things. The euro has centralized the monetary policy of the eurozone to the extent that the ECB decides how each member state will manage its wealth. One should remember the example of Italy, which has major problems with external debt, which currently stands at over 150% of GDP - and the fact that it is a country with the third-largest gold reserve in the world, but the idea itself was initially cut short by the ECB (you cannot sell gold to pay debts) - which is absurd, to have so much wealth and not be able to use it for your own country.

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Quote from: Lucius on January 28, 2022, 07:28:18 AM

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We have a first step in that direction: the Eurozone. Although there are many problems, it has lasted more than 20 years already. A monetary union that was not imposed by wars but by agreements.

The UK's decision to never join the eurozone proved to be a positive example, not only in terms of Brexit - but also in the fact that the UK began implementing its own economic recovery measures after 2008, and eurozone members did not do so until 2015. I have always been for individual responsibility and decisions, but that is still just my opinion.

One nation, one currency. But dont forget, this also comes with one leader.

Decentralization is the way to go.
Centralization of power and decisions will hardly be good for individuals

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Quote from: jaberwock on January 28, 2022, 07:38:12 AM

We do not need to become one country and have one currency before we can start working towards having a better world and invest in resource development. We can have one everything and the world would still continue to be a very weird place and even get worse.

So, it’s not really about having one currency and one country. We can do better even as we are right now. Our problem is pride and lack of unity, and greediness. Maybe if our leaders can come together for the good of humanity and without even forming a one government, they can start working towards a better world by collaborating with each other, it’s possible.

The greediness is not even the problem, the wealthy are select few and they do not have enough power to change things. The main problem is the poor that supports the rich people. How many millionaires are there in the USA? Around 20 million, what is their population? 330 million, how many can vote? Basically more than half of that, near to 200 levels but we know that won't happen.

So, what we can see here is that there are nearly 150 million people who could vote to get someone elected who would close the wealth gap, and use all of that money to make the nation a better place for everyone equally.

But, there will always be people who will say things like "but they work hard for it and you want free stuff!!!!". Well everyone works, the doctor works as hard as the nurse and they work as hard as the teacher and the mechanic but some people have 300 billion dollars whereas there are people with less than 300 dollars. I am fine, I would be one of the people who would have to pay up, not get money, and I still want this.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on January 28, 2022, 10:49:29 AM

Quote from: laredo7mm on January 26, 2022, 11:14:12 AM

From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?

This is the type of thing that I have thought about over the years, wishing that we could just all get along in harmony, work toward one common good etc.. but the problem is that were are too divided by our beliefs, one group believing one thing is right and the other believing the opposite. This is why I don't foresee this as possible any time soon, but it's a great thought!

No conflict? only enough to eliminate the nature of lust and greed that exist in humans. Unfortunately, the world is designed to balance Yin and Yang, however, we live in a world full of question marks, between yes and no. So if ideally, harmony occurs, the first to second world wars will not be created and will not cause an economic crisis anywhere. The greed of mankind has made the world unbalanced.

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Quote from: laredo7mm on January 26, 2022, 11:14:12 AM

From the beginning of humans, we have created boundaries between ourselves by lots of conflict over the century. Our greediness and eagerness for more power make us intelligent animals. Humans are capable of their own destruction. But what if those never happen? what will be the scenario of the current world if there is only one nation and one currency and humans invest their full strength for human resource development and the development of science and technology? What do you think is that even possible in the future and what will be the benefits and inconvenience of it?

This is the type of thing that I have thought about over the years, wishing that we could just all get along in harmony, work toward one common good etc.. but the problem is that were are too divided by our beliefs, one group believing one thing is right and the other believing the opposite. This is why I don't foresee this as possible any time soon, but it's a great thought!

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