Only Bitcoin related posts are allowed in Local Languages Section?

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Quote from: KingsDen on March 25, 2024, 05:56:12 AM

I consider it as almost meaningless to have a local board without child boards.

You are just talking nonsense. Your local board (Nigerian) doesn't have child boards so it "almost meaningless" and can you remember how it was when all conversation was inside the same thread?

True, child boards help a lot and forum staff should be more responsive in that matter (creating child boards) but I think that you just forgot how it was before you got your own local board.

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Oh, my God, what are you guys talking about? Who forbids talking about anything else but bitcoin in local threads? I gave specific examples of what should not be in local threads. It is enough to look at the examples of deleted posts to understand what should not be there. I repeat again, there should be no posts with airdrops, translations of subscription campaigns and news about specific altcoins. I emphasize, about specific altcoins. If it were as you all write here, I would delete all posts with congratulations on the user's getting the next rank, posts about politics, posts about sports, posts with discussions about life in the country, etc. So, no need to make a mountain out of a molehill, if you know what I mean.

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On one hand, I am truly against the restriction of bitcoin only topics in local languages section, but on the other, I understand why the mods from bitcointalk had to implement this feature. Having a language barrier alone is already a massive bummer to these mods since they can only do so much when it comes to communicating with people in their local languages, and for the most part, the very communication that they solely rely upon depends upon other people who could act as their ambassadors, so to make sure that people are behaving and are not doing crazy shit while the primary moderators of this forum couldn't understand what you guys are talking about, not that you're doing crazy shit in there in the first place, is to make sure that all topics within local languages section are kept to bitcoin-only.

Pretty sure if they had other ways to effectively moderate these local channels without having to rely upon other people, they'd let us guys talk in our local dialects without much trouble on the topics of the conversation or whatever. But that is not the case so we are forced to deal with it lol.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on March 25, 2024, 03:50:13 AM

This is one one the challenges that a local board without its child boards can face, it will be difficult to know if a post is worth deleting or not, because both bitcoin discussions posts, politics, economics and altcoins posts were all contained under the same general main board for the local board, but if a request is made on meta to Theymos and the activities of the local board has experience an increase, the admin may use that as a consideration in granting them their request, any poster who does not meet up with the required boards posts will have his post deleted then because such would have been regarded as off topic.

I consider it as almost meaningless to have a local board without child boards. This is because I consider local boards as a forum inside the forum. The local board should be totally complete on its own such that anyone that does not understand English can settle confidently in the local board and would not be missing any significant thing in the general forum. We all understand that the main essence of the larger forum is Bitcoin, but then if I am in my local board I should be able to hang out with people and also discuss the things that affect my country most, if this avenue is are not provided for me to discuss, it will therefore render the essence of local board meaningless. If you are local board is not complete yet due to the number of engagement, I will advise that you people should manage what you have until theymos find time to create child boards in your local board.

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This is one one the challenges that a local board without its child boards can face, it will be difficult to know if a post is worth deleting or not, because both bitcoin discussions posts, politics, economics and altcoins posts were all contained under the same general main board for the local board, but if a request is made on meta to Theymos and the activities of the local board has experience an increase, the admin may use that as a consideration in granting them their request, any poster who does not meet up with the required boards posts will have his post deleted then because such would have been regarded as off topic.

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I totally agree with you. Pakistan and Bengali thread are the most active threads in the other language section. It is high time we got our own local board. Maybe someday....

And regarding off topics (not Bitcoin related), all the other languages has their own local boards. They are free to create any topic whether its politics, bitcoin, altcoins, off topic etc. But we don't have that privilege. Hence all topics stacks together in one giant single thread.

If I give a quick summery of my thread (Bengali), we don't discuss about bitcoin all the time. We talk about current affairs, our country, the political situation, bitcoin-altcoin, education, ourselves - all the topics you could imagine. It's feels like our own little community Wink

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Note: ICO, promotional posts, Airdrops referrals are very rare in our thread, that's why I think the MOD hasn't deleted anything from our thread.

But in the end official or unofficial if it's a rule then we should be respectful towards it (My point of view - just saying).

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Quote from: Igebotz on March 23, 2024, 11:52:53 AM

Quote from: Xal0lex on March 23, 2024, 09:21:11 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on March 22, 2024, 04:54:37 PM

It's really a mess there for a non-pidgin speaker to moderate.

Yes, the language spoken in the Pakistani branch is not my mother tongue. Nevertheless, it does not prevent me from understanding what the users of this thread write. I look through almost every post there and can understand what users write. This is enough to evaluate this or that post for violation of forum rules.

You quote me our of context BTW- I was talking about moderating a Pidgin threads in the Naija Local board by non- pidgin speaker.. Google translator does not work there

I don't need Google translator to understand what users write there. I mean, it is not necessary to be a native speaker to understand what users write in the Pakistani thread.

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Quote from: Xal0lex on March 23, 2024, 09:21:11 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on March 22, 2024, 04:54:37 PM

It's really a mess there for a non-pidgin speaker to moderate.

Yes, the language spoken in the Pakistani branch is not my mother tongue. Nevertheless, it does not prevent me from understanding what the users of this thread write. I look through almost every post there and can understand what users write. This is enough to evaluate this or that post for violation of forum rules.

You quote me our of context BTW- I was talking about moderating a Pidgin threads in the Naija Local board by non- pidgin speaker.. Google translator does not work there

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Quote from: Igebotz on March 22, 2024, 04:54:37 PM

It's really a mess there for a non-pidgin speaker to moderate.

Yes, the language spoken in the Pakistani branch is not my mother tongue. Nevertheless, it does not prevent me from understanding what the users of this thread write. I look through almost every post there and can understand what users write. This is enough to evaluate this or that post for violation of forum rules.

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on March 22, 2024, 03:28:45 PM

Quote from: hugeblack on March 20, 2024, 06:22:27 AM

I do not know whether Xal0lex can speak Urdu (assuming it is the local language used) or not, but if there is no local mod who can evaluate the quality of posts and the extent of off-topic, it is better to be Bitcoin only discussions, with off-topic thread.

I am pretty sure one does not need to be a local language speaking or writer these days to moderate a local board. Google translation does the basic duty however for quality moderation, a local board needs a local language speaker.

Google translator does not work on the Naija Local board - we're far into the future. No software has been able to translate the Naija Pidgin. It's really a mess there for a non-pidgin speaker to moderate. A call for a Local moderator is still pending....

You quoted my last post with "Not a sub-boards" can you elaborate?

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Quote from: hugeblack on March 20, 2024, 06:22:27 AM

I do not know whether Xal0lex can speak Urdu (assuming it is the local language used) or not, but if there is no local mod who can evaluate the quality of posts and the extent of off-topic, it is better to be Bitcoin only discussions, with off-topic thread.

I am pretty sure one does not need to be a local language speaking or writer these days to moderate a local board. Google translation does the basic duty however for quality moderation, a local board needs a local language speaker.

Quote from: Igebotz on March 21, 2024, 08:25:58 PM

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

All Local boards - Discussion of various topics in the appropriate language. Posting translated coin announcements is limited to languages that have their own section (a.k.a. dedicated board with sub-boards)

Not the sub-board.

Quote from: shahzadafzal on March 19, 2024, 04:05:00 PM

Xal0lex also pointed out that a rule from hilariousandco states that only bitcoin related posts are allowed in local languages section.

mprep talked about sub-boards but hilariousandco did not mention anything about it. It could be a misunderstanding and the result is the deleted posts where there is only one topic for the local community.

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on March 19, 2024, 04:22:52 PM

I'm with the Pakistani local board on this. When you have just a local thread to discuss everything about cryptocurrency, both local and international news, then one would need the freedom to discuss multiple topics on that thread, including off topic content as well, cause there is no where else to do that.

Hmm, currently, we manage various types of posts within a single thread, be it news, analysis, or educational content—all on the same page. This setup has its drawbacks; at times, locating relevant posts becomes quite challenging. Initially, I diligently shared educational posts in a structured and organized manner. However, due to the nature of the single-threaded setup, user engagement was disappointingly low. Consequently, I decided to refrain from posting major educational content.

Instead, I opted for a different approach: personally guiding users through one-on-one conversations. This method involves discussions infused with personal experiences and references, proving to be more effective in engaging users. However, I am concerned about potential repetition in discussions when addressing the same topics with different users on different days. Nevertheless, given the absence of a dedicated board, we are compelled to adopt such methods to convey information effectively.

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Quote from: Faisal2202 on March 20, 2024, 02:30:26 PM

Thanks Shahzad and xal0lex for your support and for standing for a board, I hope a time will come Pakistani will get there own board where they will post relevant content and as Igebotz said Nigerian board before getting one, posted all kinds of posts and there was no such rule, we are not against the rule (I assume, BTW I am not) what I stand for is to get a board, rules are not easily changed and I know that but I think getting local board is harder then that.

It's also in the rules and the only thing forbidden on a single local board is " coin announcement translation" everything other discussion is allowed.

There is no Bitcoin without Society and there's no society without politics and politics comes in different from. Whoever deleted those posts needs to read this part of the rules. ..

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

All Local boards - Discussion of various topics in the appropriate language. Posting translated coin announcements is limited to languages that have their own section (a.k.a. dedicated board with sub-boards)

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Quote from: shahzadafzal on March 19, 2024, 04:05:00 PM

Here, I'd like to highlight that in the sections for Other languages/locations, local communities like Pakistan, বাংলা (Bengali), and Укpaїнcькa (Ukrainian) don't have their own boards. A single topic is the only place to discuss anything related to bitcoin, cryptocurrencies, politics, or off-topic discussions in a local language.

If a community have it's own board like Pyccкий (Russian) and Italiano (Italian) you can easily separate posts related to bitcoin or altcoin etc. But for one local thread you don't have this option and allowing only bitcoin related posts seems like there should not be any discussion at all.

Agreed. But, fortunately, we, at বাংলা (Bengali) thread, have not experienced much of an interference from moderator's end in this regard.

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Quote from: Xal0lex on March 20, 2024, 09:05:47 AM

Quote from: Igebotz on March 20, 2024, 08:23:03 AM

Quote from: Xal0lex on March 20, 2024, 08:12:19 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on March 20, 2024, 02:56:45 AM

Since the forum rules are unofficial...

What makes you think the forum rules are unofficial? Where did you read about it? Can you provide a link where this is written?

Joker is right.... It's clearly written.

Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

And where is he right? You, like him (as well as many others) have reached legendary rank, and you still don't understand what the title of the topic says

"Unofficial" refers to the list that mprep created, and the rules are quite official, which is clearly indicated by the word "official" in parentheses. The rules are official, the list is unofficial.

Quote from: Igebotz on March 20, 2024, 09:19:59 AM

Quote from: Xal0lex on March 20, 2024, 09:05:47 AM

And where is he right? You, like him (as well as many others) have reached legendary rank, and you still don't understand what the title of the topic says

"Unofficial" refers to the list that mprep created, and the rules are quite official, which is clearly indicated by the word "official" in parentheses. The rules are official, the list is unofficial.

Both truth and two wrongs can co-exist BTW Wink

I've never read it like that...

Honestly, I never saw it that way. But I'm not going to discuss that either, because I'm not an expert in English.

Now according to the sources cited to write the rules, they are based on guidelines and not rules.

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

Furthermore, the OP's final note is clear in saying that what is listed are just conclusions drawn based on the observations made (not based on clearly pre-established rules):

Quote from: mprep on July 21, 2014, 12:27:51 PM

Legal note: this forum post is a collection of personal observations on how Bitcointalk.org moderation functions at this point in time. It is not a codified set of rules or policies and may be partially or wholly inaccurate. I did not decide upon these policies and have no legal power to change or remove them. All legal queries, requests and demands regarding actual forum policy should be directed at the owner of Bitcointalk.org.

Based on this, I came to the conclusion that the "rules" listed were not official, but a general consensus between moderators and users, which guided their behavior in the community.

If there is a list of official rules, then there should be a topic or web page with that list. Created directly by the forum administration or moderation.
This is my understanding, of course.
But, soon, I accept this new perspective - which in 10 years I never had. I apologize if I misled anyone.

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This might be irrelevant, but in our Greek board no topic was deleted with the justification of being "unrelated to Bitcoin" (and nor should it be, in my opinion). At least, not in the past four years that I've been active. (Our mod is inactive about two years now, but I presume others could respond to reports)

Quote from: Igebotz on March 20, 2024, 08:23:03 AM

Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ

Yeah... I always found this title a bit misleading as well...

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Quote from: shahzadafzal on March 19, 2024, 04:05:00 PM

First of all, sorry for being late here as I was not active previous days well Sir many Thanks for being here for all of us. I request and stand with shahzadafzal sir for our own local board and I also request staff/moderator member Xal0lex sir to do something in our favor if possible as sir you also know that what kind of problem we are facing while posting we are being restricted and we want to talk but we can not talk just because of changing in rules. As if once we grant with with our local board there will be no problem with the forum member who facing the Deletion of post problem.

we will be able to make specific threads for specific decisions in our local board if we will be granted with it i hope that we will see positive feedback on this very soon. Many Thanks!

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I Support Shahzadafzal Sir call for an independent local board on Bitcointalk to help community freedom in talking about any topics in our Pakistani community. I am supporting an free thinking local board on Bitcointalk for open discussions without any fear of posts being deleted That is why requesting for the local board to discuss various topics within the local thread to ensure community engagement. I think there is another reason demand for a local board on Bitcointalk because Our community seeks freedom and free discussion in our local Urdu language.

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Thanks Shahzad and xal0lex for your support and for standing for a board, I hope a time will come Pakistani will get there own board where they will post relevant content and as Igebotz said Nigerian board before getting one, posted all kinds of posts and there was no such rule, we are not against the rule (I assume, BTW I am not) what I stand for is to get a board, rules are not easily changed and I know that but I think getting local board is harder then that.

Quote from: Igebotz on March 20, 2024, 09:19:59 AM

Quote from: Xal0lex on March 20, 2024, 09:05:47 AM

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Both truth and two wrongs can co-exist BTW Wink

I've never read it like that...

The FUN fact is, I am also one of those who never read it like that 😂 well, that's a good thing I read it like that way, well it may be read as an unofficial list of official bitcointalk, or not. Just asked out of curiosity.

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Quote from: Xal0lex on March 20, 2024, 09:05:47 AM

And where is he right? You, like him (as well as many others) have reached legendary rank, and you still don't understand what the title of the topic says

"Unofficial" refers to the list that mprep created, and the rules are quite official, which is clearly indicated by the word "official" in parentheses. The rules are official, the list is unofficial.

Both truth and two wrongs can co-exist BTW Wink

I've never read it like that...

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